CNN/ORC Poll: Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner

[Synthaholic]

First of all, no one wanted to default on the debt

You're so fucking easy!

Mike Lee: I Want America’s ‘House To Come Down’ Unless Congress Votes To Rewrite Constitution

Easy because you don't read your own links. Nowhere did he say we would default on the debt. You never get tired of repeating a lie, do you?

That was the whole premise of the conversation - that in 10 days we were going to have that debt-ceiling crisis if he (and the other teabaggers) didn't get a Constitutional Amendment!

Here ya go:

The Republican positions on raising the debt ceiling included:

• A Dollar-for-dollar deal; that is, raise the debt ceiling to match corresponding spending cuts[62]
• More of the budget cuts in the first two years[62]
• Spending caps[62]
• A Balanced Budget Amendment – to pass Congress and be sent to states for ratification[63][64]
• No tax increases but tax reform could be considered[65]

(One representative, Ron Paul, proposed transferring $1.6 trillion of Federal Reserve assets to the government and destroying those bonds, thereby reducing the United States gross federal debt by the same amount[66] This would violate the property rights of national banks who own the Federal Reserve Banks.[67])​

It was blackmail against the nation with a ransom that Americans opposed.

 

[Synthaholic]

MHO: Candidates who really generate a whole lot of enthusiasm are not that common in either party.

Obama and Bill Clinton created a of enthusiasm.

So did Poor Sarah, for better or worse.

 

[Synthaholic]

And Synthahol isn't arguing that, he's arguing that Reagan was unelectable even though he won.

No I'm not. I'm arguing that Carter could very well have beaten Reagan if he had a united Democratic Party behind him throughout his presidency, which he never did, just like Obama now.

When Oliver North's mission to rescue the hostages failed, Carter didn't have Democrats defending him, the way Republicans defend their presidents, or even as much as Clinton got. Carter was always the outsider, the peanut farmer from Georgia. Kennedy fractured the Party with his candidacy. Who the hell challenges a sitting president of their own Party? An privileged egomaniac, that's who.

But I never said that Reagan was unelectable. He was an actor, after all.

 

[Synthaholic]

Poll Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner - CNN.com

SUUUUURRRE he does... because the poll only polled DEMOCRATS!

What a farce.

Exactly, beware the republican candidate that the leftist media favors. The same thing happened with Romney, the media elevated him above the others, and then pulverized him once he became the candidate.

Show an instance of the media elevating Romney.

You're kidding me right? I'm not going to 2010 but it was quite clear that the media had a preference for Romney because they had calculated he was beatable.

I don't know where you get this. When Herman Cain was on top, the media covered him. Same for Santorum, Gingrich, Perry. When Romney won the nomination, all the focus was on him. Which is proper.

Were they not supposed to report on the Republican nominee? Then you would be bitching that they aren't covering him...they are trying to bury his chances...conspiracy!...equal time!....

 

[Synthaholic]

What says she isn't?

LOL, she's a tea partier, big guy. You people are funny.

Teabaggers aren't fiscal conservatives, they are anarchists willing to expose the nation to enormous damage based on half-baked ideas.

Anarchists? What an idiot you are. None of the tea baggers are anarchists. You're just make it up.

People who want to default on America's debts are anarchists.

Sorry to break it to you.

TeaTard motto:
Let the economy crumble, let millions suffer, let the unemployment lines grow

Just as long as billionaires get to pay low taxes

Paraphrasing Bill Maher, he said "Isn't it amazing that the goals of Tea Party are the exact same as the goals of the Koch Brothers?"

 

[Dana7360]

Obviously, they are the ones you fear the most. If they weren't, you would be urging us to vote for them instead of dismiss them.

Vote for them! I'm urging! Get Poor Sarah in there, too! And Bachmann! Maybe you can bring back Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer, Pat Buchanan, and David Duke, too!

No, I think you're afraid of Cruz, Sessions, Gowdy, Lee, Carson, and West. Your mention of Palin and the others is your attempt at distraction. You fear the ones you mentioned first, especially Cruz.

curz has dual citizenship with Canada.

I don't know about you but most Americans want a president who has citizenship to one nation. America.

Speaking for myself, cruz isn't even an American. I don't consider a man who was born in Canada and has citizenship to Canada an American citizen with the ability to be our president.

On top of that he's stupid and has a god complex. If you think that anyone is afraid of cruz being president I've got a wonderful bridge to sell you right in the middle of the Mojave Desert.

But you consider a communist, born in Kenya, an American citizen with the ability to be our president. There goes your credibility.

Your premise is false.

It's extremely false.

If Obama is a communist then he's the worst communist on the planet.

If he was a communist the following would have happened nearly 6 years ago:

All businesses would have been confiscated by the government. The government would own all business. All Americans would work for the government. All profits would be property of the government.

All land and real estate would have been confiscated by the government. All Americans would be paying rent to the government.

All farms would have been confiscated by the government. All farms would be turned into collectives and all profits would be the property of the government.

All health care, hospitals and clinics would be property of the government with all profits going to the government.

The stock market and nasdaq would be closed. There would be no stocks, no stockholders and no dividends to pay to anyone.

All natural resources would be confiscated by the government and nationalized. All profits would be property of the government.

All banks would be seized by the government with all profits going to the government.

None of the above has happened.

When teagaggers/birthers claim that Obama is a communist they are either lying or don't know the meaning of words in the english language. Or both.

Obama was born in Hawaii on the island of Oahu in August 1961. The records have been released. Only a person who is an extremely special kind of stupid would make the statements that teabagger/birther posted.

 

[S.J.]

Vote for them! I'm urging! Get Poor Sarah in there, too! And Bachmann! Maybe you can bring back Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer, Pat Buchanan, and David Duke, too!

No, I think you're afraid of Cruz, Sessions, Gowdy, Lee, Carson, and West. Your mention of Palin and the others is your attempt at distraction. You fear the ones you mentioned first, especially Cruz.

curz has dual citizenship with Canada.

I don't know about you but most Americans want a president who has citizenship to one nation. America.

Speaking for myself, cruz isn't even an American. I don't consider a man who was born in Canada and has citizenship to Canada an American citizen with the ability to be our president.

On top of that he's stupid and has a god complex. If you think that anyone is afraid of cruz being president I've got a wonderful bridge to sell you right in the middle of the Mojave Desert.

But you consider a communist, born in Kenya, an American citizen with the ability to be our president. There goes your credibility.

Your premise is false.

It's extremely false.

If Obama is a communist then he's the worst communist on the planet.

If he was a communist the following would have happened nearly 6 years ago:

All businesses would have been confiscated by the government. The government would own all business. All Americans would work for the government. All profits would be property of the government.

All land and real estate would have been confiscated by the government. All Americans would be paying rent to the government.

All farms would have been confiscated by the government. All farms would be turned into collectives and all profits would be the property of the government.

All health care, hospitals and clinics would be property of the government with all profits going to the government.

The stock market and nasdaq would be closed. There would be no stocks, no stockholders and no dividends to pay to anyone.

All natural resources would be confiscated by the government and nationalized. All profits would be property of the government.

All banks would be seized by the government with all profits going to the government.

None of the above has happened.

When teagaggers/birthers claim that Obama is a communist they are either lying or don't know the meaning of words in the english language. Or both.

Obama was born in Hawaii on the island of Oahu in August 1961. The records have been released. Only a person who is an extremely special kind of stupid would make the statements that teabagger/birther posted.

This is for the stupid people.

Incrementalism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Votto]

You don't think republicans are stupid enough to go for another Bush misadventure?

Anything will be better than Obama. He made Carter one of the happiest former presidents ever.

Sure.....well...........no.

 

[kaz]

What says she isn't?

LOL, she's a tea partier, big guy. You people are funny.

Teabaggers aren't fiscal conservatives, they are anarchists willing to expose the nation to enormous damage based on half-baked ideas.

Anarchists? What an idiot you are. None of the tea baggers are anarchists. You're just make it up.

People who want to default on America's debts are anarchists.

Sorry to break it to you.

TeaTard motto:
Let the economy crumble, let millions suffer, let the unemployment lines grow

Just as long as billionaires get to pay low taxes

Typical parasite reaction to any indication the host you are feeding on is tired of paying you to not work.

 

[kaz]

As for why that data was irrelevant, I already answered that.

No you didn't. Not with any counter-data or counter-facts.

What was my argument?

I didn't see where you made any. You just dismissed the data as irrelevant.

If I missed a post, I apologize.

OK, fair enough. I pointed out that it's self described "conservatives." I also pointed out Hillary Clinton calls herself a fiscal conservative. It's not self described conservatives who stayed home, it's actual conservatives, particularly social conservatives and libertarian leaning fiscal conservatives. Self described conservatives means nothing. It doesn't prove me right either, it proves nothing. That data is irrelevant.

Your statement was that I said "data is irrelevant" as a sweeping statement. I never said that, it's a ridiculous statement. Data can be good or bad. Just showing stats on what "conservatives" do without looking at how that is measured is not critical thinking.

 

[kaz]

First of all, no one wanted to default on the debt

You're so fucking easy!

Mike Lee: I Want America’s ‘House To Come Down’ Unless Congress Votes To Rewrite Constitution

Easy because you don't read your own links. Nowhere did he say we would default on the debt. You never get tired of repeating a lie, do you?

That was the whole premise of the conversation - that in 10 days we were going to have that debt-ceiling crisis if he (and the other teabaggers) didn't get a Constitutional Amendment!

Here ya go:

The Republican positions on raising the debt ceiling included:

• A Dollar-for-dollar deal; that is, raise the debt ceiling to match corresponding spending cuts[62]
• More of the budget cuts in the first two years[62]
• Spending caps[62]
• A Balanced Budget Amendment – to pass Congress and be sent to states for ratification[63][64]
• No tax increases but tax reform could be considered[65]

(One representative, Ron Paul, proposed transferring $1.6 trillion of Federal Reserve assets to the government and destroying those bonds, thereby reducing the United States gross federal debt by the same amount[66] This would violate the property rights of national banks who own the Federal Reserve Banks.[67])​

It was blackmail against the nation with a ransom that Americans opposed.

OK, I'll explain it again. You said "default" on the debt. Interest on the debt is the first thing government has to pay. Let's say:

- Revenues coming are $1T.

- Debt payments are $200B

- In your ongoing government spending orgy, you want to spent $1.5T.

- The total outstanding debt is $15T.

- The debt ceiling is $15T.

We can still spend the $1T coming in, we just can't borrow the other $500B you want to spend. So, we pay $200B, then you still have $800B ($1T-$200B) of money earned by other people to waste. What you can't do is borrow the other $500B ($1.5T-$1T) of money earned by other people you want to waste.

"Defaulting on the debt" means we don't make debt payments. We would make debt payments. Which means we would not default on the debt. Democrats know that. Here's the 411, it's a lie. Wow, politicians lying to you. You just didn't see that coming, did you?

 

[kaz]

And Synthahol isn't arguing that, he's arguing that Reagan was unelectable even though he won.

No I'm not. I'm arguing that Carter could very well have beaten Reagan if he had a united Democratic Party behind him throughout his presidency, which he never did, just like Obama now.

When Oliver North's mission to rescue the hostages failed, Carter didn't have Democrats defending him, the way Republicans defend their presidents, or even as much as Clinton got. Carter was always the outsider, the peanut farmer from Georgia. Kennedy fractured the Party with his candidacy. Who the hell challenges a sitting president of their own Party? An privileged egomaniac, that's who.

But I never said that Reagan was unelectable. He was an actor, after all.

OK, so my point was that Reagan was considered "unelectable" because he wasn't moderate. You actually were arguing with me without actually disagreeing with the point I made. How stupid is that? Why were you wasting my time with that?

 

[kaz]

LOL, she's a tea partier, big guy. You people are funny.

Teabaggers aren't fiscal conservatives, they are anarchists willing to expose the nation to enormous damage based on half-baked ideas.

Anarchists? What an idiot you are. None of the tea baggers are anarchists. You're just make it up.

People who want to default on America's debts are anarchists.

Sorry to break it to you.

TeaTard motto:
Let the economy crumble, let millions suffer, let the unemployment lines grow

Just as long as billionaires get to pay low taxes

Paraphrasing Bill Maher, he said "Isn't it amazing that the goals of Tea Party are the exact same as the goals of the Koch Brothers?"

Too much government taxes and spending, yes it is. The problem with both of them is they don't go far enough. They don't want to put the pig on a crash diet, just cut out a couple snacks and drop a couple pounds.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL, she's a tea partier, big guy. You people are funny.

Teabaggers aren't fiscal conservatives, they are anarchists willing to expose the nation to enormous damage based on half-baked ideas.

Anarchists? What an idiot you are. None of the tea baggers are anarchists. You're just make it up.

People who want to default on America's debts are anarchists.

Sorry to break it to you.

TeaTard motto:
Let the economy crumble, let millions suffer, let the unemployment lines grow

Just as long as billionaires get to pay low taxes

Typical parasite reaction to any indication the host you are feeding on is tired of paying you to not work.

Actually, most Americans are working

But they are finding that their labor is valued less and less. They have less free time, fewer benefits, no job security. For the first time in generations, children realize they will not be better off than their parents

 

[Synthaholic]

As for why that data was irrelevant, I already answered that.

No you didn't. Not with any counter-data or counter-facts.

What was my argument?

I didn't see where you made any. You just dismissed the data as irrelevant.

If I missed a post, I apologize.

OK, fair enough. I pointed out that it's self described "conservatives." I also pointed out Hillary Clinton calls herself a fiscal conservative. It's not self described conservatives who stayed home, it's actual conservatives, particularly social conservatives and libertarian leaning fiscal conservatives. Self described conservatives means nothing. It doesn't prove me right either, it proves nothing. That data is irrelevant.

Your statement was that I said "data is irrelevant" as a sweeping statement. I never said that, it's a ridiculous statement. Data can be good or bad. Just showing stats on what "conservatives" do without looking at how that is measured is not critical thinking.

But it's been shown that conservatives did not stay home, unless those same conservatives stayed home in 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, & 1980.

The numbers don't lie.

 

[Synthaholic]

First of all, no one wanted to default on the debt

You're so fucking easy!

Mike Lee: I Want America’s ‘House To Come Down’ Unless Congress Votes To Rewrite Constitution

Easy because you don't read your own links. Nowhere did he say we would default on the debt. You never get tired of repeating a lie, do you?

That was the whole premise of the conversation - that in 10 days we were going to have that debt-ceiling crisis if he (and the other teabaggers) didn't get a Constitutional Amendment!

Here ya go:

The Republican positions on raising the debt ceiling included:

• A Dollar-for-dollar deal; that is, raise the debt ceiling to match corresponding spending cuts[62]
• More of the budget cuts in the first two years[62]
• Spending caps[62]
• A Balanced Budget Amendment – to pass Congress and be sent to states for ratification[63][64]
• No tax increases but tax reform could be considered[65]

(One representative, Ron Paul, proposed transferring $1.6 trillion of Federal Reserve assets to the government and destroying those bonds, thereby reducing the United States gross federal debt by the same amount[66] This would violate the property rights of national banks who own the Federal Reserve Banks.[67])​

It was blackmail against the nation with a ransom that Americans opposed.

OK, I'll explain it again. You said "default" on the debt. Interest on the debt is the first thing government has to pay. Let's say:

- Revenues coming are $1T.

- Debt payments are $200B

- In your ongoing government spending orgy, you want to spent $1.5T.

- The total outstanding debt is $15T.

- The debt ceiling is $15T.

We can still spend the $1T coming in, we just can't borrow the other $500B you want to spend. So, we pay $200B, then you still have $800B ($1T-$200B) of money earned by other people to waste. What you can't do is borrow the other $500B ($1.5T-$1T) of money earned by other people you want to waste.

"Defaulting on the debt" means we don't make debt payments. We would make debt payments. Which means we would not default on the debt. Democrats know that. Here's the 411, it's a lie. Wow, politicians lying to you. You just didn't see that coming, did you?

S&P downgraded the U.S. credit rating.

Do you think they were fooled by lying politicians, too?

 

[Synthaholic]

And Synthahol isn't arguing that, he's arguing that Reagan was unelectable even though he won.

No I'm not. I'm arguing that Carter could very well have beaten Reagan if he had a united Democratic Party behind him throughout his presidency, which he never did, just like Obama now.

When Oliver North's mission to rescue the hostages failed, Carter didn't have Democrats defending him, the way Republicans defend their presidents, or even as much as Clinton got. Carter was always the outsider, the peanut farmer from Georgia. Kennedy fractured the Party with his candidacy. Who the hell challenges a sitting president of their own Party? An privileged egomaniac, that's who.

But I never said that Reagan was unelectable. He was an actor, after all.

OK, so my point was that Reagan was considered "unelectable" because he wasn't moderate. You actually were arguing with me without actually disagreeing with the point I made. How stupid is that? Why were you wasting my time with that?

No, you misread what I said.

I never implied Reagan was unelectable. I said that he was beatable with a unified Democratic Party.

 

[Synthaholic]

Teabaggers aren't fiscal conservatives, they are anarchists willing to expose the nation to enormous damage based on half-baked ideas.

Anarchists? What an idiot you are. None of the tea baggers are anarchists. You're just make it up.

People who want to default on America's debts are anarchists.

Sorry to break it to you.

TeaTard motto:
Let the economy crumble, let millions suffer, let the unemployment lines grow

Just as long as billionaires get to pay low taxes

Paraphrasing Bill Maher, he said "Isn't it amazing that the goals of Tea Party are the exact same as the goals of the Koch Brothers?"

Too much government taxes and spending, yes it is. The problem with both of them is they don't go far enough. They don't want to put the pig on a crash diet, just cut out a couple snacks and drop a couple pounds.

Crash diets often are dangerous.

 

[Vigilante]

How many times have we seen the left wing media CHOOSE a left wing RINO for the Republican party, and the people fall in line with them, only to see that LEFT WING MEDIA trash those candidates they picked, ONCE it comes down to Republicans vs. subversive democrats? Does the name McLame, and McRomney instantly snap into your minds?....WELL, IT SHOULD!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

And Synthahol isn't arguing that, he's arguing that Reagan was unelectable even though he won.

No I'm not. I'm arguing that Carter could very well have beaten Reagan if he had a united Democratic Party behind him throughout his presidency, which he never did, just like Obama now.

When Oliver North's mission to rescue the hostages failed, Carter didn't have Democrats defending him, the way Republicans defend their presidents, or even as much as Clinton got. Carter was always the outsider, the peanut farmer from Georgia. Kennedy fractured the Party with his candidacy. Who the hell challenges a sitting president of their own Party? An privileged egomaniac, that's who.

But I never said that Reagan was unelectable. He was an actor, after all.

OK, so my point was that Reagan was considered "unelectable" because he wasn't moderate. You actually were arguing with me without actually disagreeing with the point I made. How stupid is that? Why were you wasting my time with that?

No, you misread what I said.

I never implied Reagan was unelectable. I said that he was beatable with a unified Democratic Party.

The problem was that Carter was unelectable

With runaway inflation, a horrible economy and the Iran Hostage crisis....any Republican would have won in 1980