Climatologists Said La Nina, Don't Expect Much Rain California

[Weatherman2020]

They are not close to accurate 3 months out but they can tell you for certain what will happen a century from now.

This Afternoon
A 30 percent chance of showers after 4pm. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Tonight
Showers, mainly between 10pm and 4am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 4am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 49. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming southeast in the evening. Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Thursday
Rain and possibly a thunderstorm before 10am, then showers likely, mainly between 10am and 4pm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 57. West wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Thursday Night
Showers, mainly after 10pm. Low around 48. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Friday
Showers before 10am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 10am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 54. South wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Friday Night
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm. Cloudy, with a low around 47. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Saturday
Scattered showers, mainly before 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 57. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Saturday Night
A chance of rain after 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 47.
Sunday
Rain likely, mainly after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 58.
Sunday Night
Rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49.
Monday
Rain. Cloudy, with a high near 56.
Monday Night
Showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 42.
Tuesday
A chance of showers. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Arctic is 50F warmer than usual!

Arctic Weather Map

Barrow -18
Kotelny -15
Golojannyj 25
Nord -8

....er, or something

 

[teapartysamurai]

They are not close to accurate 3 months out but they can tell you for certain what will happen a century from now.

This Afternoon
A 30 percent chance of showers after 4pm. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Tonight
Showers, mainly between 10pm and 4am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 4am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 49. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming southeast in the evening. Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Thursday
Rain and possibly a thunderstorm before 10am, then showers likely, mainly between 10am and 4pm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 57. West wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Thursday Night
Showers, mainly after 10pm. Low around 48. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Friday
Showers before 10am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 10am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 54. South wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Friday Night
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm. Cloudy, with a low around 47. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Saturday
Scattered showers, mainly before 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 57. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Saturday Night
A chance of rain after 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 47.
Sunday
Rain likely, mainly after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 58.
Sunday Night
Rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49.
Monday
Rain. Cloudy, with a high near 56.
Monday Night
Showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 42.
Tuesday
A chance of showers. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59.

How DARE you. Don't you understand climate is not weather or something.

At least that's what liberals say when their predictions go awry.

 

[Old Rocks]

Arctic Weather Map

Rampart River, 50 degrees
Cape Chelyuskin 12 degrees
Golomjannyj Island 23 degrees
Vize Island 14 degrees
Bely Island 21 degrees
Krenkal Island 10 degrees

The temperatures that you posted are actually warm for that time of the year, those I posted are hot for this time of year. And it shows on this graph;

That is quite a departure from the norm.

 

[WillReadmore]

They are not close to accurate 3 months out but they can tell you for certain what will happen a century from now.

This Afternoon
A 30 percent chance of showers after 4pm. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Tonight
Showers, mainly between 10pm and 4am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 4am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 49. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming southeast in the evening. Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Thursday
Rain and possibly a thunderstorm before 10am, then showers likely, mainly between 10am and 4pm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 57. West wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Thursday Night
Showers, mainly after 10pm. Low around 48. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Friday
Showers before 10am, then rain and possibly a thunderstorm after 10am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 54. South wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Friday Night
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm. Cloudy, with a low around 47. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Saturday
Scattered showers, mainly before 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 57. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Saturday Night
A chance of rain after 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 47.
Sunday
Rain likely, mainly after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 58.
Sunday Night
Rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49.
Monday
Rain. Cloudy, with a high near 56.
Monday Night
Showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 42.
Tuesday
A chance of showers. Mostly sunny, with a high near 59.

How DARE you. Don't you understand climate is not weather or something.

At least that's what liberals say when their predictions go awry.

Ok, so you didn't take any science or math in school.

Climatologists study averages over significant time periods.

Your weather forecaster doesn't have the advantage of that averaging.

 

[Old Rocks]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Arctic Weather Map

Rampart River, 50 degrees
Cape Chelyuskin 12 degrees
Golomjannyj Island 23 degrees
Vize Island 14 degrees
Bely Island 21 degrees
Krenkal Island 10 degrees

The temperatures that you posted are actually warm for that time of the year, those I posted are hot for this time of year. And it shows on this graph;

That is quite a departure from the norm.

Your weather data is BS. Rampart River is near Fairbanks where it is -44F right now.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

 

[Crick]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

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[Weatherman2020]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

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And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

 

[Old Rocks]

Arctic Weather Map

Rampart River, 50 degrees
Cape Chelyuskin 12 degrees
Golomjannyj Island 23 degrees
Vize Island 14 degrees
Bely Island 21 degrees
Krenkal Island 10 degrees

The temperatures that you posted are actually warm for that time of the year, those I posted are hot for this time of year. And it shows on this graph;

That is quite a departure from the norm.

Your weather data is BS. Rampart River is near Fairbanks where it is -44F right now.

That was Comrade Frankie boi's site. If you don't like it's numbers, talk to him.

 

[Old Rocks]

Temp. °F 26 9 -1 -5 11 22 5 2 -2 -7 -1 13 3 22 35 37 43 48
Dew Point °F 17 4 -7 -13 2 11 1 -1 -6 -12 -6 2 -5 5 20 20 23 31
Mean Pressure at Sea Level

Rampart River Weather Station Record - Historical weather for Rampart River, Canada

Here is the data from that site. I do expect you to post the site that you got your data from.

 

[Old Rocks]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

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And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

No, you stupid ass. Between wind and solar, and the new grid scale battery technology, we will have a more stable, robust grid at less cost to the consumer.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

 

[WillReadmore]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

Sent from my VS985 4G using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

No, you stupid ass. Between wind and solar, and the new grid scale battery technology, we will have a more stable, robust grid at less cost to the consumer.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

Yes.

This is how we lost steel, leaving Pittsburg. Other countries leap frogged us, because our sterl industry couldn't justify the investment in moving forward. So, they got beat.

Now, we are propping up the fossil fuel energy direction, while China is the leading owner of wind and solar patents and leads in exports of solar and wind technology.

 

[miketx]

Arctic is 50F warmer than usual!

Arctic Weather Map

Barrow -18
Kotelny -15
Golojannyj 25
Nord -8

....er, or something

The media feeding is coming to an end soon.

 

[Old Rocks]

Arctic is 50F warmer than usual!

Arctic Weather Map

Barrow -18
Kotelny -15
Golojannyj 25
Nord -8

....er, or something

The media feeding is coming to an end soon.

View attachment 107351

And what the hell is that supposed to mean?

 

[Old Rocks]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

Sent from my VS985 4G using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

No, you stupid ass. Between wind and solar, and the new grid scale battery technology, we will have a more stable, robust grid at less cost to the consumer.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

Yes.

This is how we lost steel, leaving Pittsburg. Other countries leap frogged us, because our sterl industry couldn't justify the investment in moving forward. So, they got beat.

Now, we are propping up the fossil fuel energy direction, while China is the leading owner of wind and solar patents and leads in exports of solar and wind technology.

Exactly. Right now, it would be easy to catch up to China in the technology of wind and solar. If the orange clown gives them a four year head start, we will not catch up at all. Right now, we are where the grid scale battery technology is mainly being pursued in the US. However, there are laws, like those of Texas, that prevent it's efficient use. Oncor, the largest utility in Texas is trying to get these laws changed, but the fossil fuel interests want no part of a technology that would make wind and solar 24/7.

I don't know what the laws are in the other states, but those with dominantly GOP legislatures will probably throw every roadblock possible in the way of this technology. And China will use what we have already developed, and surpass us in this also.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

Sent from my VS985 4G using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

No, you stupid ass. Between wind and solar, and the new grid scale battery technology, we will have a more stable, robust grid at less cost to the consumer.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

Dufus doesn't want to talk about the track record of climatologists anymore so now he's off on an insane rant about solar power.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Temp. °F 26 9 -1 -5 11 22 5 2 -2 -7 -1 13 3 22 35 37 43 48
Dew Point °F 17 4 -7 -13 2 11 1 -1 -6 -12 -6 2 -5 5 20 20 23 31
Mean Pressure at Sea Level

Rampart River Weather Station Record - Historical weather for Rampart River, Canada

Here is the data from that site. I do expect you to post the site that you got your data from.

Bogus data, dufus.
It's -35.
As in NEGATIVE THIRTY FIVE.

Meteo Rampart River - Weather Rampart River - Canada » ILMETEO.it

 

[Old Rocks]

And the La Nina faded early, pretty much in neutral state at present. Maybe even the start of an El Nino later in the year.

Oh gee, it faded away leaving the climatologists hanging out there with their prediction of a dry winter.

No La Nina could well mean no cooling rebound from the third record hot year in a row.

Sent from my VS985 4G using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

And yet again they failed to predict it just months ahead but we are supposed to destroy the economy based upon what they say will happen a hundred years from now.

No, you stupid ass. Between wind and solar, and the new grid scale battery technology, we will have a more stable, robust grid at less cost to the consumer.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

Dufus doesn't want to talk about the track record of climatologists anymore so now he's off on an insane rant about solar power.

Look, you dumb fuck, the predictions of the climatologists have been far better than the spewing of fools like you. At the time that Dr. Hansen made his predictions, you assholes were saying that no warming was occurring. Then, by 2000, when everyone could see it out their backdoor, you started yapping about natural variability. The lot of you are liars, and minions of the fossil fuel industry.



Lessons from Past Predictions: Hansen 1981

Projected Global Warming
Now we arrive at the big question - how well did Hansen et al. project the ensuing global warming? Evaluating the accuracy of the projections is something of a challenge, because Hansen et al. used scenarios based on energy growth, but did not provide the associated atmospheric CO2 concentrations resulting as a consequence of that energy growth. Nevertheless, we can compare their modeled energy growth scenarios to actual energy growth figures.

Figure 4 shows the projected warming based on various energy growth scenarios. The fast scenario assumes 4% annual growth in global energy consumption from 1980 to 2020, and 3% per year overall from 1980 through 2100. The slow scenario assumed a growth of annual global energy rates half as rapid as in the fast growth scenario (2% annual growth from 1980 to 2020). Hansen et al. also modeled various scenarios involving fossil fuel replacement starting in 2000 and in 2020.



Figure 4: Hansen et al. (1981) projections of global temperature. The diffusion coefficient beneath the ocean mixed layer is 1.2 cm2 per second, as required for best fit of the model and observations for the period 1880 to 1978. Estimated global mean warming in earlier warm periods is indicated on the right.

Since 1981, global fossil fuel energy consumption has increased at a rate of approximately 3% per year, falling between the Hansen et al. fast and slow growth scenarios. Thus we have plotted both and compared them to the observed global surface temperatures from GISTEMP (Figure 5).



Figure 5: Hansen et al. (1981) global warming projections under a scenario of high energy growth (4% per year from 1980 to 2020) (red) and slow energy growth (2% per year from 1980 to 2020) (blue) vs. observations from GISTEMP with a 2nd-order polynomial fit (black). Actual energy growth has been between the two Hansen scenarios at approximately 3% per year. Baseline is 1971-1991.