Climategate, AP Not Impressed

[edthecynic]

I can tell you right now, that we have had the coolest summer in 09 than we have had in 15 years, and so far this winter is colder than a well digger's ass. Last year was no picnic either, freezing ass cold. So if you can provide that weather chart than do so, but I am not experiencing any warming in my area and have never felt or seen ANY EVIDENCE that man has created this global warming. I don't deny climate change but that has occured even before man was here.

Thousands of years ago the planet was covered in ice, that changed before man even came on the scene. You can't blame man for that thaw out.

In typical CON$ervative stupidity, the weather on your block is the same for the entire globe.

Even though you asked for a chart, I'm sure you will ignore it and continue parroting CON$ervative "logic."

So the nation producing the most manmade CO2 actually has colder temperatures?

Why am I the last to hear of this?

More brilliant CON$ervative "logic." Air never moves, it just sits in one place on the globe forever.

 

[JakeStarkey]

(pattinng si modo on her pointy head and saying) "sure, si modo, sure. Here have a drink of cool water, then go lay down in a dark room for a while."

You are funny, I will grant you that.

 

[Zona]

determines they do nothing to change the science of global warming.

Must read AP analysis of stolen emails: An “exhaustive review” shows “the exchanges don’t undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.” « Climate Progress

And I read this is a local conservative newspaper also. So, Limbaugh will be beating a dead horse for months to come...HA!

but noted scientist Sarah palin said...on her facebook of course.....there really is no such thing as global warming.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Question about 'temperature anomalies... What constitutes an anomalies versus normal deviation?

 

[Dr Grump]

but noted scientist Sarah palin said...on her facebook of course.....there really is no such thing as global warming.

But I can see Russia from my house! It looks cold.............

 

[JakeStarkey]

But, Dude, don't be shy: you won the "Baghdad Bob Award for Reporting" the last four years in a row.

 

[Navy1960]

There is no real dispute that weather data from cities, as collected by meteorological stations, is contaminated by urban heat island (UHI) bias, and that this has to be removed to identify climatic changes or trends. In cities, vertical walls, steel and concrete absorb the sun’s heat and are slow to cool at night. More and more of the world is urbanized (population increased from 1.5 B to 6 B in 1900s).
The UHI effect occurs not only for big cities but also for towns. Oke (who won the 2008 American Meteorological Society’s Helmut Landsberg award for his pioneer work on urbanization) had a formula for the warming that is tied to population. Oke (1973) found that the UHI (in °C) increases according to the formula

GISS uses in the USA, southern Canada and northern Mexico an urbanization adjustment based on the amount of night time light measured by satellites from the station locations. Unlit stations are classified as rural stations. This does produce some adjustment and a reasonable plot of temperatures but as GISS notes, this is just less than 2% of the globe.”
The difference from their adjusted values and the NOAA no longer adjusted shows NOAA was misguided in their removal of the urban adjustment, with a net cooling of 0.2F in 1930s and warming of 0.4F near 2005. NOAA data adjusted to the GISS base period of 1951-1980.

The net warming in the UHI adjusted GISS US data set from the peak around 1930 to the peak near 2000 was a meager 0.15C. It may be assumed the same would be true for the world if we could make a similar needed UHI adjustment.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/US_AND_GLOBAL_TEMP_ISSUES.pdf

Joseph D’Aleo was the first Director of Meteorology at the cable TV Weather Channel. He has over 30 years experience in professional meteorology. Mr. D’Aleo was Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International Corporation and Senior Editor of “Dr. Dewpoint” for WSI’s popular Intellicast.com web site. He is a former college professor of Meteorology at Lyndon State College. He has authored and presented a number of papers as well as published a book focused on advanced applications enabled by new technologies and how research into ENSO and other atmospheric and oceanic phenomena has made skillful seasonal forecasts possible. Mr. D’Aleo has also authored many articles and made numerous presentations on the roles cycles in the sun and oceans have played in climate change.

Mr. D’Aleo is a Certified Consultant Meteorologist and was elected a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). He has served as a member and then chairman of the American Meteorological Society’ Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, and has co-chaired national conferences for both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association. Mr. D’Aleo was elected a Councilor for the AMS.

Joseph D’Aleo is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin BS, MS and was in the doctoral program at NYU.

Mr. D’Aleo’s areas of expertise include climatology, natural factors involved in climate change, weather and climate prediction, and North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO).

Dr. Robert C. Balling Jr. is a professor in the climatology program at Arizona State University, specializing in climate change and the greenhouse effect. Balling has been a climate consultant to the United Nations Environment Program, the World Climate Program, the World Meteorological Organization, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In addition, Dr. Balling authored The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions Versus Climate Reality. He is also co-author of the book Satanic Gases with Pat Michaels.
ICECAP


While the debate rages, perhaps there are a few out there that do have the ability to call into question this so called consensus and still have the ability to debate their peers on a professional level.

 

[Sinatra]

determines they do nothing to change the science of global warming.

Must read AP analysis of stolen emails: An “exhaustive review” shows “the exchanges don’t undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.” « Climate Progress

And I read this is a local conservative newspaper also. So, Limbaugh will be beating a dead horse for months to come...HA!

but noted scientist Sarah palin said...on her facebook of course.....there really is no such thing as global warming.[/QUOTE]
____

NO, she did not say that.

The dispute is the role played by humankind in the complexities of the earth's climate, and the potential agenda-driven science within the debate...

 

[Oddball]

So the nation producing the most manmade CO2 actually has colder temperatures?

Why am I the last to hear of this?

We have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we, Tom?....They might like a story like that.

See, Sonny?...It's strictly business.

 

[Oddball]

Michael Mann: "Do you think that we can get the press to run some interference for us on this one?"

Phil Jones: "They will, if we have to redefine what press credentials are."

 

[Sinatra]

The lead reporter for this AP story is the very same reporter implicate in the climategate scandal.

He would ask the implicated "scientists" for feedback on how to respond.

Acorn "investigates" Acorn.

AP investigates AP.

Yeah...

 

[Modbert]

The lead reporter for this AP story is the very same reporter implicate in the climategate scandal.

He would ask the implicated "scientists" for feedback on how to respond.

Acorn "investigates" Acorn.

AP investigates AP.

Yeah...

I do believe such a accusation warrants a link. Otherwise, it's bullshit.

 

[Oddball]

The lead reporter for this AP story is the very same reporter implicate in the climategate scandal.

He would ask the implicated "scientists" for feedback on how to respond.

Acorn "investigates" Acorn.

AP investigates AP.

Yeah...

I've peer reviewed this post and find it 100% accurate.

Damn, that's fun.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Question about 'temperature anomalies... What constitutes an anomalies versus normal deviation?

Ask the 30,000 Europeans who died in the '05 heat wave.

 

[Modbert]

I've peer reviewed this post and find it 100% accurate.

Damn, that's fun.

I've peer reviewed this post and find it to be 0% accurate due to conflict of interest.

Damn, that's fun. Now I know how you feel.

Still waiting for that link there though.

 

[Oddball]

Question about 'temperature anomalies... What constitutes an anomalies versus normal deviation?

Ask the 30,000 Europeans who died in the '05 heat wave.

Red fucking herring.

How many people die every year from hypothermia?

 

[Modbert]

Red fucking herring.

How many people die every year of hypotrhermia?

But that would involve using data from Scientists!

During 1979--2002, a total of 16,555 deaths in the United States, an average of 689 per year (range: 417--1,021), were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold (International Classification of Diseases, Ninth and Tenth Revision ICD-9 codes E901.0, E901.8, and E901.9; ICD-10 code X31) (Figure 1) (4). Annual death rates were highest before 1990 (range: 0.3--0.4 per 100,000 population), then decreased to 0.2 beginning in 1991, except for an increase to 0.3 in 2000.

In 2002, a total of 646 hypothermia-related deaths were reported, with an annual death rate of 0.2 per 100,000 population. The majority of reported hypothermia-related deaths (66%) occurred in males (Figure 2), but the overall death rate (0.5) was the same for both males and females. Fifty-two percent of all decedents were aged >65 years, and 50% were male. The death rate for males and females aged >65 years was 1.2 and 0.8, respectively. Forty-five percent of all reported deaths occurred among white males (death rate: 0.3), and 14% occurred among black males (0.5).

Hypothermia-Related Deaths --- United States, 2003--2004

Oh wait, can't trust that link. It's the Government.

 

[elvis]

I've peer reviewed this post and find it 100% accurate.

Damn, that's fun.

I've peer reviewed this post and find it to be 0% accurate due to conflict of interest.

Damn, that's fun. Now I know how you feel.

Still waiting for that link there though.

not that the mainstream networks have a conflict of interest. you know, all those green energy ads they run all time.

 

[Modbert]

not that the mainstream networks have a conflict of interest. you know, all those green energy ads they run all time.

I wouldn't know about the ads, I don't watch much television. However, I don't see CBS with any on thursday nights. (Survivor )

Though why would you only focus on the green energy ads put forth but not the influence of the oil companies and other non-green companies?

 

[Sinatra]

Cold kills 'thousands' in a week


Many pensioners struggle to stay warm in winter
More than 2,500 people in England and Wales are likely to have died in the past week as a direct result of cold weather, health forecasters say.

BBC NEWS | UK | Cold kills 'thousands' in a week

See how easy that is?

Now actually start to think a bit - mkay?

You wanna talks deaths? How about malaria? That sham-science fiction book Silent Spring has helped to kill MILLIONS.

Climategate Cap n Tax/CO2 regulation, due to its impact on emerging nations, could very well do the same. Progress is GOOD - dirt-livin' poverty is bad, and it kills.