Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

[flacaltenn]

You forget, or dont know that there are 3 working groups behind IPCC Climate Change and only ONE of them is hired and approved by the body as a whole. Infact the other working groups have editorial control over the ExecSummary and other aspects of the quote science unquote group. You asked who the whack jobs and political whores are? HEEEELLOOOOO. Start with other 2 working groups and the international parade of beggars and whiners that they ALL work for.... We can expand from there....

 

[The Great Goose]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Wait, does that mean the water will shrink from being hot?

 

[Crick]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Wait, does that mean the water will shrink from being hot?

Not only that, but its turning into gastric juice AND making Guam tip over

 

[Crick]

I see the level and aspect at which you choose to discuss these issues.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

So, you still haven't bothered to read AR5. That's awesome "Science", there, Sparky

Since you won't, or can't read it, try Googling "IPCC AR5 Excess heat" and let me know if anything turns up for you.

LOL. You expect us to take you seriously

LOL

 

[jc456]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

So, you still haven't bothered to read AR5. That's awesome "Science", there, Sparky

Since you won't, or can't read it, try Googling "IPCC AR5 Excess heat" and let me know if anything turns up for you.

LOL. You expect us to take you seriously

LOL

Spot on. The next question would be where's the other 7%?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total."

Anther one I don't claim to understand.

How is atmospheric CO2 causing the deep ocean to absorb 1/3 of the warming?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I see the level and aspect at which you choose to discuss these issues.

I only mock those who give me reason, like say the crazy EnviroMarxists known as the AGWCult

 

[Antimatter]

The climate will always change. It's inevitable. You just have to adapt to it like our ansesters did. You know, if we had an Ice age people would be bitching there head off. Be happy that where going through a period of global warming and not a period of global cooling.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

That's odd. If' it's a fact, AR1 didn't mention it once

"Our judgement is that: • Global - mean surface air temperature has increased by 0 3°C to 0 6°C over the last 100 years, with the five global-average warmest years being in the 1980s Over the same period global sea level has increased by 10-20cm These increases have not been smooth with time, nor uniform over the globe"

Page xxiv of the Summary doesn't even show any ocean "heat", it's all land based.

https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_full_report.pdf

So, there's a 2 decade pause and by AR5 you're alleging "the ocean ate my warming"

None dare call it science

"3.2.2 The Ocean The ocean also plays an essential role in the global climate system. Over half of the solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface is first absorbed by the ocean, where it is stored and redistubuted by ocean currents before escaping to the atmosphere, largely as latent heat of evaporation, but also as long-wave radiation"

P.77

That's odd and very different than "the ocean ate my warming" per AR5

 

[Billy_Bob]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

statements of fact? OMG.... you believe that shit! Yet there is no physical evidence of it every happening...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AR1 has the warming "first absorbed by the ocean, where it is stored and redistubuted by ocean currents before escaping to the atmosphere". In AR5, once its apparent, there's no warming in the atmosphere, the warming is eaten by the oceans, then slowly moved through the ocean intestines, moving downward, 700 1,500, 3,000m.

See the difference?

By AR7 they'll say the Earths core ate the warming

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

I note that no where in your quotes does the IPCC use the term "excess heat". Has your fever on this matter subsided or are you still suffering from this fixation? Is this fixation due to the fact that the two words in thephrase "excess heat" are both terms you have actually used at one point or another?

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

1) I have already explained "excess heat" and further attempts are simply going to confuse you.
2) The excess heat was not hiding. It came from the sun and entered the Earth system where 93% of it ended up in the oceans.
3) The mechanism is known generically as "heat transfer". It takes place by three mechanisms: radiative, conductive and convective. Radiative is transfer by the emission and absorption of photons. Conductive is a transfer across atomic and molecular bonds and through intimate material contact. Convective is really a special case of conductive; it is a transfer enhanced by fluid flow along a material boundary. All three of these mechanisms are involved in the warming of the oceans.

The IPCC does not "allege" that 93% of the increase in the Earth's energy inventory is accounted for my ocean warming. It is a statement of fact.

93%? Sounds very precise. So what was the temperature before and after this terrible heating?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The hubris of the AGW Faith-based Proclaimers is alarming.

Not only do they think that human-kind somehow has caused global warmering/coolering/changering(?)-if there is any change:

but they also seem to believe that human-kind somehow has the ability to alter that cooling/warming/changering(?) if there's been any change.

It's scary that these guys are in charge of anything in life.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The hubris of the AGW Faith-based Proclaimers is alarming.

Not only do they think that human-kind somehow has caused global warmering/coolering/changering(?)-if there is any change:

but they also seem to believe that human-kind somehow has the ability to alter that cooling/warming/changering(?) if there's been any change.

It's scary that these guys are in charge of anything in life.

But just in case the changering moves us off of the current, "Best climate possible, ever", we should spend $80 trillion on less reliable "green energy". I'm sure there are plenty of Solyndras who will wisely spend the money.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A little internecine hostility?

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Frank, why do you have to work so hard to demonstrate the intractability of your ignorance? Excess heat is a phrase. It has no official scientific definition in the world of physics or thermodynamics or climate science. However, in conversations about a system that is being warmed, it's obviously a term that's going to come up now and then. In the context in which you've seen it most often, it is applied to the thermal energy accumulated by the greenhouse process in excess of the amount being radiated to space. I've told you this before and I have to say it makes me suspicious of your claims to be a seeker after knowledge when so often you pretend no one has told you anything.

The excess heat was not hiding anywhere. As usual, you've got the wrong picture.

The oceans are warmed by the absorption of SW and LW radiation and by conduction and convection from the air. Don't be misled by the observation that all that light gets absorbed quickly. Of course it does. But what does that mean? It means the ocean is good at absorbing energy. And no one on my side of the argument has EVER claimed that the deep ocean was being warmed by electromagnetic radiation. That whole argument was what you'd call a red herring. Aside from thermal vents and volcanoes and a tiny amount of heat coming through the ocean bottom from the Earth's core, the ocean is heated entirely betwee its surface and about the first 50 meters of depth. That covers all conduction and pretty much all electromagnetic radiation (SW and LW light). Heat below those depths gets there primarily by the motion of water. There are a number of vertically-oriented circulations in the oceans that very effectively move deep water up and shallow water down.

The Laurentian Abyss, Frank, is the fan of sediment at the mouth of the Ste Lawrence seaway. It is a long way from being the deepest spot in the ocean. It's not even the deepest spot in the Atlantic, the shallower of the two major bodies. Check terms you're not familiar with and don't use science from children's action movies. The deepest spot in the world is the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench off Guam.

Quoted for posterity....

"Excess heat is a phrase. It has no official scientific definition...."

 

[Crick]

Frank, if you think you've caught me contradicting myself, please point out the specific text.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank, if you think you've caught me contradicting myself, please point out the specific text.

Crick, it's obvious to anyone that you had no familiarity with AR5 when you said, "Excess heat is a phrase. It has no official scientific definition in the world of physics..."

I just want to be SURE that you remember what you said and not flee behind the cloud of squid ink

 

[Crick]

So you're going to show us where AR5 gives it some official definition, exclusive of all other definitions?

And then you're going to show us what bearing it has on any question under discussion here Frank. Right?