Climate change is a moral issue on a par with slavery

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    Man made climate change is quite real and it is rapidly altering the Earth's climate pattens and the planetary ecosystem that is so intimately tied to those patterns that were previously fairly stable for many thousands of years. How this generation handles this planetary crisis will affect all future generations and possibly even threaten the survival of the human race. One of the world's most eminent and honored climate scientists recently gave a talk about this issue and offered some pretty clear warnings.

    Nasa scientist: climate change is a moral issue on a par with slavery
    The Guardian
    Severin Carrell
    6 April 2012
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    Averting the worst consequences of human-induced climate change is a "great moral issue" on a par with slavery, according to the leading Nasa climate scientist Prof Jim Hansen. He argues that storing up expensive and destructive consequences for society in future is an "injustice of one generation to others". Hansen, who will next Tuesday be awarded the prestigious Edinburgh Medal for his contribution to science, will also in his acceptance speech call for a worldwide tax on all carbon emissions. In his lecture, Hansen will argue that the challenge facing future generations from climate change is so urgent that a flat-rate global tax is needed to force immediate cuts in fossil fuel use. Ahead of receiving the award, Hansen told the Guardian that the latest climate models had shown the planet was on the brink of an emergency. He said humanity faces repeated natural disasters from extreme weather events which would affect large areas of the planet. "The situation we're creating for young people and future generations is that we're handing them a climate system which is potentially out of their control," he said. "We're in an emergency: you can see what's on the horizon over the next few decades with the effects it will have on ecosystems, sea level and species extinction."

    Hansen will argue in his lecture that current generations have an over-riding moral duty to their children and grandchildren to take immediate action. Describing this as an issue of inter-generational justice on a par with ending slavery, Hansen said: "Our parents didn't know that they were causing a problem for future generations but we can only pretend we don't know because the science is now crystal clear. "We understand the carbon cycle: the CO2 we put in the air will stay in surface reservoirs and won't go back into the solid earth for millennia. What the Earth's history tells us is that there's a limit on how much we can put in the air without guaranteeing disastrous consequences for future generations. We cannot pretend that we did not know."


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    That's a sure sign that the whole man made climate change thing is a scam. You can't win on the science so you turn it into an emotional issue. If the science were strong enough to make the case, you woudn't need to change over to emotions.

    You can bet you never heard Copernicus claiming that his heliocentric cosmology was a moral issue or Newton, or Einstein, or any of the other great scientific minds. Climate science, however, is so weak and needy that emotional appeals, personal attacks against critics and silencing of critics whenever possible are its primary methodologies.

    Making emotional and even worse moral appeals in an attempt to gain wider acceptance of shabby, sophmoric science is positively pathetic and the fact that you would assist them in their fallacious appeal to emotion says more about you than any number of your mindless cut and paste posts.
     
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    One would think that having Joplin, MO. type events yearly would be a moral issue. That having storms of Sandy's scale every year would be an emotional issue. As would be unrelenting drought and widespread wildfires yearly.

    But first one would have to think.

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    Historically, was the Joplin, Mo event unique or unprecedented? How about sandy. Barely a Cat I hurricane and the first to make landfall in how many years? I suggest that you try thinking rather than simply making kneejerk emotional reactions.
     
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    Perhaps if you actually understood my reply you could see that the fact that it is not a kneejerk reaction is a major part of the problem.

    The word "yearly" is not a definition of "is" sort of thing.

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    FAR more important and far more a MORAL issue in my opinion.







     
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    Were we to suddenly cease all GHG emissions, we would still have another 30 to 50 years of heating from what is in the pipeline already. And there are threshholds which we really don't want to cross. However, we don't know where they are at. Just that they are not that far down the road.

    The 'alarmists' like Dr. Hansen were wrong. There predictons were far to conservative. None of them saw the melt of the Artic Ice occuring before 2020. None of them saw the extent of the weather extremes we are experiancing happening before mid-century. And most thought that the Arctic Methane Clathrates would take at least a century to start boiling out.

    If one considers handing our decendents a world far poorer than the one we are recieved from our parents an immoral proposition, then AGW is a moral issue. However, if you credo is just live for me, and damn the children and grandchildren, then your Randian morality states nothing immoral about handing our descendents a degraded world.
     
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    When the science fails and the politics fail, make it a moral issue. :lmao:
     
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    well, is sure as hell ain't science
     
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    You don't handle Mother Nature; she handles you.

    The hubris of you people is astonishing.
     

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