Climate Change Deniers Are Lying

[Billy_Bob]

As Alaska burns Anchorage sets new records for heat and lack of snow - The Washington Post

Ian, no amount of handwaving is going to make this kind of information go away. This is not models or infilling, this is what is happening right now. And, in addition, we have this;

U.S. Drought Monitor

U.S. Drought Monitor U.S. Drought Portal

We are now very close to a blowup fire season in Oregon and Washington. That is the reality of a warming climate.

Now only Oregon and Washington matter... BECAUSE THERE HOT AND DRY.. nothing else in the US matters.. Idiot! The rest of the US is way below normal any your crying like a little baby.

 

[Billy_Bob]

This is from the 2009 American Geophysical Union Convention in 2009, from one of the world's leading glaciologists, Dr. Richard Alley;

You dont read your articles, You dont read the papers you post, so your opinion is that of a rock. They all read MAY OR MIGHT not one of them is definitive in any aspect. Not one of them is repeatable or verifiable as the authors refuse to release their methods or data. Everything your posting has been debunked or shown incorrect on many different levels. You have been shown over and over that they are crap but you insist on posting them.

Insanity: Doing same thing over and over again, which fails every time, expecting a different outcome.

 

[Old Rocks]

As Alaska burns Anchorage sets new records for heat and lack of snow - The Washington Post

Ian, no amount of handwaving is going to make this kind of information go away. This is not models or infilling, this is what is happening right now. And, in addition, we have this;

U.S. Drought Monitor

U.S. Drought Monitor U.S. Drought Portal

We are now very close to a blowup fire season in Oregon and Washington. That is the reality of a warming climate.

Now only Oregon and Washington matter... BECAUSE THERE HOT AND DRY.. nothing else in the US matters.. Idiot! The rest of the US is way below normal any your crying like a little baby.

LOL. Mr. BillyBob, you are once again being very silly. The upper map is Alaska, about half the size of the lower 48, and having a very hot year and in drought. Also in drought, are Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and major parts of Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

 

[jc456]

you can't stop it. it's the 3rd world always using more coal and wood as fuel, paving over cropland and slash/burning/logging jungle that's mostly at fault and they will NOT stop having too many kids. So, if mankind IS at fault, so what? you're not going to stop it and we AINT paying for what others are doing.

I don't know who 'we' is, but we are all going to pay for it.

No we aren't and the reason for folks like me

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL

 

[jc456]

As Alaska burns Anchorage sets new records for heat and lack of snow - The Washington Post

Ian, no amount of handwaving is going to make this kind of information go away. This is not models or infilling, this is what is happening right now. And, in addition, we have this;

U.S. Drought Monitor

U.S. Drought Monitor U.S. Drought Portal

We are now very close to a blowup fire season in Oregon and Washington. That is the reality of a warming climate.

Now only Oregon and Washington matter... BECAUSE THERE HOT AND DRY.. nothing else in the US matters.. Idiot! The rest of the US is way below normal any your crying like a little baby.

LOL. Mr. BillyBob, you are once again being very silly. The upper map is Alaska, about half the size of the lower 48, and having a very hot year and in drought. Also in drought, are Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and major parts of Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

I Already posted why that is why don't you read?

 

[Crick]

Billy, jc, how is it that you think this doesn't matter, but cooler temps across the lower 48 do?

The planet as a whole continues to get warmer. THAT is what matters.

 

[jc456]

Billy, jc, how is it that you think this doesn't matter, but cooler temps across the lower 48 do?

The planet as a whole continues to get warmer. THAT is what matters.

Because it's balanced that's why. Has nothing to do with weather and everything about jet streams.

 

[Old Rocks]

Everything to do with the jet stream? OK, let us discuss that;

 

[jc456]

Everything to do with the jet stream? OK, let us discuss that;

No need, I know what it is and how it works

 

[jc456]

Everything to do with the jet stream? OK, let us discuss that;

No need, I know what it is and how it works

BTW, has nothing to do with weather

 

[Billy_Bob]

Billy, jc, how is it that you think this doesn't matter, but cooler temps across the lower 48 do?

The planet as a whole continues to get warmer. THAT is what matters.

You adjust the temps up at every turn.. and you dont think the data manipulations matter? the globe has been cooling for ten years while your side has falsified data and manufactured crap.

 

[Crick]

As has been pointed out to you, the overall adjustment has been down.

In not one single instance have you thrown the slightest doubt on the justifications given for the adjustments made.

 

[IanC]

from Icelandic Met Office. already QC'ed and homogenized.

GHCN adds their adjustments, cooling pre-1975 numbers.

GISS, circa late 2012

GISS today



requests for fuller explanations of the adjustments were met with initial promises of action, which faded away as the weeks months and years passed. Iceland documented all the necessary corrections made, GHCN added some more, GISS 'improved' the data even more. I will let people judge for themselves whether "In not one single instance have you thrown the slightest doubt on the justifications given for the adjustments made." is a reasonable or true statement.

 

[Billy_Bob]

from Icelandic Met Office. already QC'ed and homogenized.

GHCN adds their adjustments, cooling pre-1975 numbers.

GISS, circa late 2012

GISS today



requests for fuller explanations of the adjustments were met with initial promises of action, which faded away as the weeks months and years passed. Iceland documented all the necessary corrections made, GHCN added some more, GISS 'improved' the data even more. I will let people judge for themselves whether "In not one single instance have you thrown the slightest doubt on the justifications given for the adjustments made." is a reasonable or true statement.

Lowering the past while increasing the present, who would notice this kind of deception? ME and about several million others on this planet.

 

[mamooth]

Again, the overall adjustments make the warming look smaller. By constantly deflecting from that fact with their cherrypicks, Billy and Ian are deliberately pushing a dishonest conspiracy theory.

At this point, anyone who isn't dishonest has abandoned the denier cult, as it's no longer possible to be honest and to be a denier. Deniers have given up caring about the facts, and now only care about getting revenge on their perceived enemies. If they have to fabricate everything in pursuit of that goal, they will, and do.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Again, the overall adjustments make the warming look smaller. By constantly deflecting from that fact with their cherrypicks, Billy and Ian are deliberately pushing a dishonest conspiracy theory.

At this point, anyone who isn't dishonest has abandoned the denier cult, as it's no longer possible to be honest and to be a denier. Deniers have given up caring about the facts, and now only care about getting revenge on their perceived enemies. If they have to fabricate everything in pursuit of that goal, they will, and do.

just a question?

Who is paying you to post?

Big wind? Big solar? Big ethanol?

Just asking you this because I am a normal 50 year old guy and my aviator is real with me and my blue pit biscuit


So what's your stake to defend?

 

[mamooth]

My stake is truth.

Your mistake, one that most deniers make. is assuming that everyone is like yourself. Your side will say anything for a buck, so you assume the other side must be like that too. You need to understand that we are not like you.

Few scientists will lie for a buck. Those that do get hired by the deniers. Any ethical scientist could get much richer by lying for the deniers, but they don't. The ethical scientists choose to take a pay cut for telling the truth. That gives them more credibility, the fact that they're turning down denier bribes so they can do good science.

 

[IanC]

Again, the overall adjustments make the warming look smaller. By constantly deflecting from that fact with their cherrypicks, Billy and Ian are deliberately pushing a dishonest conspiracy theory.

At this point, anyone who isn't dishonest has abandoned the denier cult, as it's no longer possible to be honest and to be a denier. Deniers have given up caring about the facts, and now only care about getting revenge on their perceived enemies. If they have to fabricate everything in pursuit of that goal, they will, and do.

the pooh flinging monkey wants to put all corrections and adjustments into a single bucket and add up the total. he does not want to look at individual adjustments and test their merit. informed skeptics know that many corrections need to be made, but we often question the actual methodology for doing so. eg a station that has been moved to a different altitude needs that height change to be factored in. a switch from using wooden (naturally insulated) buckets to canvas (uninsulated) buckets also need conversion values added in. these types of corrections are explainable, even if the actual correction seems implausible such as UHI effect being zero (negative with BEST).

the adjustments that many skeptics and others have a problem with are those that have no obvious origin, arbitrarily inserted for no other reason but that the actual numbers are inconvenient. above, I gave the example of Reykjavic Iceland. its history is consistent with other stations close to it, and with the other Icelandic stations. but massive adjustments have been made. why? they wont give the particular reasons why. "trust us, and besides it doesnt make any difference to the global temp".

I could go on and on giving examples, and have done so in the past. the point is that there are adjustments made for concrete reasons, eg TOBS or instrument change, and adjustments made for hypothetical reasons, eg computer flagged as "not meeting expectation' even though there is no physical reason such as station move or instrument change. the Australian BOM has admitted that it would be impossible to recreate their results because of arbitrary 'expert' discretionary decisions being made. I do not know whether other agencies such as GISS or BEST are fully automated when it comes to making adjustments or whether they have a substantial human impact on decisions that are made. Either way, the methodology should be made transparent because at this point a significant fraction of the public is not going to take 'trust us' for an answer.

 

[Old Rocks]

Mr. Ian, you are the one peddling shit. The primary older scientists that were and are playing the role of 'skeptics' are Lindzen and Singer. And both testified before Congress as to the harmlessness of cigarettes. They are whores, willing to prostitute their credentials to the highest bidder. The scientists that are presenting the evidence of the warming and its cause have not prostituted their credentials to either the tobacco companies or the energy corporations.

There is a very sharp divide in morality here for all to see.