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SmarterThanYou said:isn't it interesting that those who are supporting keeping terri alive no matter what state she's in aren't living in that state.
Not all of us are cursed enough to live in Florida.
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SmarterThanYou said:isn't it interesting that those who are supporting keeping terri alive no matter what state she's in aren't living in that state.
Bullypulpit said:This three ring circus has gone on for far too long, and it has become a cause celebre for meddlesome right wing-nut politicians to display their moral rectitude when all that they are really doing is showing how far their heads are up their rectums. They bitch about "activist judges" who usurp legislative authority and the "will of the people". Well just what the hell are they doing except becoming "activist legislators" usurping the authority of the courts? What utter hypocrisy. Were anyone to do to a dog what has been done to Mrs. Schiavo in the name of "saving" her life, they would be brought up on charges of felony animal cruelty
Merlin1047 said:At first, I was extremely suspicious of the husband's motivation. But he has twice turned down the offer of a million dollars or more if he would simply wash his hands of the entire matter and walk away. That pretty much convinces me that he is not acting out of greed because he could have profitted substantially by simply divorcing his wife and walking away. So I am forced to believe that his motives are based on his wife's expressed wishes.
ReillyT said:The Florida state court judge in this case is applying Florida law. He is not a rogue judge. He is applying the law of the state of Florida, which is his job. The doctrine of Federalism should prevent the federal legislature from interfering in this case.
So are you saying all tests needed have not been done after all these years? If they were done why not presented? Don't worry this case will not set presedent in the courts as far as required tests for a diagnosis. It won't.Gem said:....
mr. p.,
I find the more relevant question to be...were all the court procedings and rulings done with complete information and consideration of the fact. After reviewing some of the documents it seems that much was left out...vital tests, flawed witnesses.
I have no qualms with saying that Terri Shiavo's life and/or death is none of my business...but if we rule that we can medically diagnose someone as PVS without doing all of the necessary tests...or that we can make that determination given testimony from a doctor with an obvious bias towards diagnosing PVS, even cases where patients can feed themselves, interact with others, and move around of their own free will...then it IS my business because any one of my family could end up in similar circumstances.
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Avatar4321 said:Actually he may be in contempt of Congress since Congress has stepped in and the judge went through with the order anyway.
Eightball said:Didn't the Florida Court overrule the people of Florida?
Bully mentioned that other states people want to influence this decision, but didn't the state of Florida also want to save Terry's life, but the Florida court overruled the people?
SmarterThanYou said:isn't it interesting that those who are supporting keeping terri alive no matter what state she's in aren't living in that state.
because today, euthanasia is legal for animals. why can't you right wingers understand THATS why we wanted to approve assisted suicide?Avatar4321 said:Um Bully. Legislators are supposed to be activists. And has been pointed out Congress has been given authority over the court in Article III of the Constitution.
And you are right if anyone tried to starve and dehydrate a dog in the name of easing her suffering they would be brought up on charges of animal cruelty. Why is it you left wingers can scream and yell about animal cruelty but have no heart when it comes to human suffering.
that indeed could be the case. walk a mile I say..........then make your decision.Bonnie said:Ill bet the judge that ruled to pull the plug today would feel differently if that was his daughter.
Avatar4321 said:Actually he may be in contempt of Congress since Congress has stepped in and the judge went through with the order anyway.
SmarterThanYou said:because today, euthanasia is legal for animals. why can't you right wingers understand THATS why we wanted to approve assisted suicide?
SmarterThanYou said:because today, euthanasia is legal for animals. why can't you right wingers understand THATS why we wanted to approve assisted suicide?
Avatar4321 said:Um Bully. Legislators are supposed to be activists. And has been pointed out Congress has been given authority over the court in Article III of the Constitution.
And you are right if anyone tried to starve and dehydrate a dog in the name of easing her suffering they would be brought up on charges of animal cruelty. Why is it you left wingers can scream and yell about animal cruelty but have no heart when it comes to human suffering.
Bonnie said:Ill bet the judge that ruled to pull the plug today would feel differently if that was his daughter.
And I have posted about this before but my grandmother was in a coma in Fla, the doctors wanted to pull the plug, we had to fight them, we won, and she came out of it and lived for 10 more years.
Bullypulpit said:Actually, he might not. After a massive MI, resulting in significant anoxic brain damage, we had my father extubated and let him go. Had we not done so, he would have wound up in Terri Schiavo's condition. We were all in agreement, and my father had expressed his wishes to us that he would not want to live in such a state. There was no living will...there was only our understanding of his expressed wishes.
What we see in the case of Mrs. Schiavo is the hell which can be unleashed when other family members disagree with the decision of the primary decision maker, in this case, Mr. Schiavo. It was not unreasonable to try to find some hope that she would have awoken from her coma after a few months or even a year or so after her MI, given her youth at the time. But after that, the chances of her reviving are almost non-existent. I know someone will dredge up examples of people who have been in comas for decades, and then "awakened", but they most often suffered from a tramatic brain injury which was localized rather than global as anoxic brain injury is. One the heart stops, there are only a very few minutes before grave and irreversible brain damage occurs.
Ceres said:This occurs much more than anyone knows. It's just become such a public affair with Jeb Bush and all.
We also decided near my mother's death from Parkinsons and total malnutrition, to disconnect her. She only had weeks to go and she had become so malnourished. She barely weighed 70 #. She was in her 80's.
The morning they were going to do this, my mother had passed already. We laughed and cried because of the irony of it. If you knew my mother, you would have known she wouldn't let someone do this to her. She'd rather do it herself.
At least that's what we like thinking.