Civil Disobedience and Terry Schaivo

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    Well, you can bet the left wing animal rights activists would be frothing at the bit and marching in the streets if this were a dog being deliberately dehydrated and starved to death. :mad:

    And where is the Left today? Why isn't the Left protesting this inhumane method of death? They consider panties over the head as torture...the left wing news media screams about it for months...the Left marches in the streets against what they call the killing of innocent life....why don't we hear from them now on this issue?
     
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    How many of you would step up and pay the tab to keep this woman alive, maybe against her will?
     
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    The court has already awarded hundreds of thousand of dollars for her rehabilitation to which the husband has used for his lawyers to have her starved to death. If he would just divorce her, the money goes to her care, there is about 700,000 left. Id say that buys a lot fo rehabilitation.
     
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    None of us have to, Mr. P...her parents have volunteered to take responsibilty and legal guardianship of Terri.

    As to whether or not she would want to live like this...unfortunately, this case is a sterling example of why having your wishes in writing is so desperately important.

    As you ask everyone if they are comfortable keeping someone alive against their wishes...ask yourself if you are comfortable starving to death a woman who wants to be given every chance to live.

    No one has stated that they are not concerned about the right decision to make...no one has stated that they know for sure whether or not Terri would want to live or die...most people are simply stating that when we are talking about legally sanctioned death by dehydration and starvation of a living being... we might want to be a bit more sure than the word of a husband surrounded by suspicious circumstances.
     
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    Tried to ding you again, but alas I must spread the love around. Anyway Great points!!
     
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    The left TRIED to make this easier. We were opposed by 'right to life' people who said assisted suicide was immoral and then made a law against it.
     
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    And that is the crux of it. Are we (as a society) really making the decision to starve a woman because her husband insists on refusing to attempt to rehabilitate her? These are the reasons that we conservatives talk so much about the sanctity of life - because people make decisions like this that hold like in contempt.
     
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    Here's what I ask myself..with all the hearings and all the court decisions, all the investigations and medical tests, all the years gone by, , is it my business to interfere? I don't think so.
     
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    gop_jeff,

    I see where you are coming from...however, if Terri Shiavo had had a living will that stated that she didn't want to live like this I would have no qualms about her assisted suicide.


    mr. p.,

    I find the more relevant question to be...were all the court procedings and rulings done with complete information and consideration of the fact. After reviewing some of the documents it seems that much was left out...vital tests, flawed witnesses.

    I have no qualms with saying that Terri Shiavo's life and/or death is none of my business...but if we rule that we can medically diagnose someone as PVS without doing all of the necessary tests...or that we can make that determination given testimony from a doctor with an obvious bias towards diagnosing PVS, even cases where patients can feed themselves, interact with others, and move around of their own free will...then it IS my business because any one of my family could end up in similar circumstances.

    It is not my place to state that Terri Shiavo must be forced to live any more than it is your place to state that Terri Shiavo must be forced to starve to death. Hence why we must look past emotions such as, "I sure as hell wouldn't want to live like that." or "What kind of husband would want to starve his wife to death." And look at the purely legal standpoint of the case...Was she diagnosed properly? Were all the appropriate steps taken to restore her to as much of a life as she could have? Was she deliberately neglected in order to make her appear more PVS that she is? Are the witnesses who testify that she would not want to live like that credible? Is the doctor who diagnosed her as PVS credible? Etc.

    If, after all of that is taken into consideration (and I do not feel at this time it has been) and they rule that Terri Shiavo would have wanted to be starved to death, then I would support that decision...but not before. I think that as a society we have to be VERY hesitant to starve someone to death when we do not have their written or verbal confirmation that that is what they truly want.
     
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