Church shooter stopped by armed citizen today? Lives saved by good guy with a gun?

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The Liberty Doll......great place to get opinions on the gun issues...

Of Course the church shooter had an arrest for assault with a deadly weapon.....a gun....that the prosecutor pled down.........

So if prosecutor are going to plead down gun charges........why should we take anti-gunners seriously?

The Liberty Doll discusses the shooting in depth and brings up the arrest record of the shooter......highlighting the arrest for assault with a deadly weapon....

So, no....this was not a "Good Guy," with a gun until he used the gun illegally....this was not a normal person until the moment before he committed murder...

As I keep pointing out, with citations.........90% those who commit murder have long histories of crime and violence showing they are in no way normal people before their first murder....

She starts the criminal history of the shooter at the 5:18 mark on the video..

He was still convicted and put in prison .....so he did not get his gun legally.

He was also adjudicated dangerous if he went off his meds.....

He was arrested again for an illegal gun and he had that pled down too...........



If my plan was in place....this guy would have been in jail and could never have killed those people......

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Obama and his crew were a disaster for this country plain and simple. I hope we never hire another car salesman / radio talk show jockey wanta be /shifty shyster for president like Obama was ever again.

 

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Bad people without guns don't shoot good people.

Correct. Sometimes they use superior physical force. That's why good people, who are peaceable and law abiding citizens, want to be able to carry a firearm; to level the playing field. Or do you believe bad guys without guns play fair?

 

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Well...it appears that the dude who stopped the nutbag with a gun here was a trained firearms
expert with a gun. he did a fine job and is to be applauded.

America! The land where a church service wherein 2 people are shot to death is
a big win for freedom.

Congrats, boys!

I don't believe anyone is celebrating the death of two people.

How would you propose defensive uses of firearms be communicated?

Only instances where the flashing of the firearm thwarted the attack? Because you scoffed at williepete when he said that.

Would it be OK to use defensive uses which only injured the attacker? Could that be used to make a point that peaceable law abiding citizens have a right to defend themselves from attack?