Christine Ford - The facts and their weight

[miketx]

I believe Ford. The facts are pretty convincing and support her credibility. I am listing the facts, and scoring them for their probative value on a 1 - 5 scale.


Revealed the attack in 2012 - 5
There would be no reason for her to make up this story in 2012. She stated then that the two individuals involved had become prominent members of Washington society, and that is true for Kavanaugh and Judge.

Revealed Kavanaugh's name in 2012 - 2
That she revealed the name only to her husband drastically reduces the impact of this piece of information. We can't ignore the possibility that her husband is willing to lie to support her. But we also cannot discount his statements simply because he is her husband. If there were potential for some kind of tangible benefit for this couple to gain, I would score this a "1", but any possible benefit to be gained would be several steps removed, at best.

Anonymous July letter - 3
Anyone can submit an anonymous letter and say anything. In and of itself it doesn't mean much, and by itself it wouldn't doing much with. But what is significant here is that Ford is not, in any way, trying to launch a last minute torpedo to delay Kavanaugh's confirmation. She submitted an "FYI" letter to inform her Senator, but she didn't want to be in the spotlight. Feinstein's office probably handled this in a very partisan way, playing political games. But that is no reflection on Ford's credibility. Ford only came forward after the letter was leaked and made public.

Going into hiding - 3
In conjunction with the previous point, it is pretty clear that Ford is looking for 15 minutes of fame. To the contrary, she would rather stay out of the spotlight. She didn't have to step forward and reveal herself, and she doesn't like being in the spotlight, but she's done it anyway. What we're seeing is much more consistent with a sexual assault victim who is struggling for the strength to speak out, than a partisan who is making salacious lies. This doesn't speak directly to the veracity of her claims. But her reluctance to testify is consistent with the fact that she hadn't wanted to come forward in the first place, which supports her credibility.

Request for FBI, other investigations - 4
While not wanting to testify in front of the entire nation, she has said that she would want the FBI to investigate. This would be consistent with a sexual assault victim who longs for privacy. But perhaps more importantly, it would open her up to legal liability. And that fully neutralizes the suggestions by some that her reluctance to testify her way of trying to avoid perjury.

Classmate claims to have known about incident - 1
Contemporary knowledge of the incident would be a powerfully convincing fact. If what this classmate is saying is true, it's devastating and puts seals the deal. However, much more is needed before it can be afforded significant weight. As it stands now, this classmate could easily be lying and just trying to tip the scales for partisan reasons. This classmate suggests that the incident became general knowledge among much of the student body. So we should be able to expect there to be other classmates who would also remember hearing about the incident. If others come forward, this point could become strong enough to eliminate all doubt. Until then, it is a very weak piece of evidence. Especially because every indication from Ford thus far is that she kept the incident secret out of embarrassment.

Using the media to cut and paste your "facts" from is like Calling Hitler to testify if nazis were evil.

 

[DrLove]

well I've always heard someone drunk doesn't have full recognition of their thoughts. so how can she remember if she was drunk?

Who said that she was drunk when this happened?

Nobody - they made it up and they're sticking to it.

Teenagers that go to drinking parties, typically drink.

You need to get out more.

"Typically" doesn't necessarily describe this young lady. Unless you were there with a breathalyzer, STFU

She was a horny whore from an all girls school . Of course she was drunk off of only two sips from a wine cooler

You are a Deplorable - Hope that you can be included in the questioning!

 

[DrLove]

Who said that she was drunk when this happened?

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) agreed that it was the right thing to do and promptly abused her on the stand.

Then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

 

[easyt65]

"Ms Ford, as you have admitted to having approx. 64 ACTUAL sexual partners back in high school, if you were not to intoxicated then, can you name even 5 of them? Can you name any of your other 'I almost had sex with him' encounters?'

 

[easyt65]

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) abused her on the stand and then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

You forget to add that nothing was found, and the accusation was found to be without merit / not credible...

...and unlike Ford, Hill was willing to testify.

 

[jc456]

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) agreed that it was the right thing to do and promptly abused her on the stand.

Then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

apples and oranges. you should learn the process.

 

[Pop23]

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) agreed that it was the right thing to do and promptly abused her on the stand.

Then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

The FBI has jurisdiction dumbass.

 

[DrLove]

Who said that she was drunk when this happened?

Nobody - they made it up and they're sticking to it.

Teenagers that go to drinking parties, typically drink.

You need to get out more.

"Typically" doesn't necessarily describe this young lady. Unless you were there with a breathalyzer, STFU

Actually "typical" does apply, she comes across as the typical dumbass liberal.

She had farah fawcet hair , look at her she was slutty as Rebecca De Mornay in risky business..

Why I continue to read your posts is a mystery. Guess that I enjoy your special brand of STOOOOPID!

 

[jc456]

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) abused her on the stand and then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

You forget to add that nothing was found, and the accusation was found to be without merit / not credible...

...and unlike Ford, Hill was willing to testify.

and it was done during the hearing process.

 

[Pop23]

Nobody - they made it up and they're sticking to it.

Teenagers that go to drinking parties, typically drink.

You need to get out more.

"Typically" doesn't necessarily describe this young lady. Unless you were there with a breathalyzer, STFU

Actually "typical" does apply, she comes across as the typical dumbass liberal.

She had farah fawcet hair , look at her she was slutty as Rebecca De Mornay in risky business..

Why I continue to read your posts is a mystery. Guess that I enjoy your special brand of STOOOOPID!

Actually, we are all surprised you can read.

 

[dcbl]

 

[jc456]

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) agreed that it was the right thing to do and promptly abused her on the stand.

Then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

The FBI has jurisdiction dumbass.

the fbi does not have jurisdiction.

 

[Pop23]

BUT DR.LOVE OBIOUSLY DOES?

What a putz.

Nobody does you slobbering idiot - That is what investigations are for.

No dumbshit. You throw the word “investigation” around like it means almost nothing. The investigation you speak of must be either 1) criminal. Which then requires probable cause. There is none on a federal crime. Or 2) as a background check for security purposes, which means the PRIVATE CITIZEN is required to approve. Without such approval it violates protected Constitutional rights.

Now quit speaking of things you have no clue about.

You’re a child in an adults world.

As a reminder (dumbshit) there was an FBI investigation of Anita Hill allegations. Your idiots (including Grassley & Hatch) agreed that it was the right thing to do and promptly abused her on the stand.

Then Joe Biden (to his shame) shut the whole thing down.

Grow the fuck up and LEARN something.

The FBI has jurisdiction dumbass.

the fbi does not have jurisdiction.

Correct. In congress they would not. But investigating an allegation by a federal employee, on federal land is quite different.

Now, ford will remember where the assault happened. During a class tour to the courthouse!

 

[easyt65]

and it was done during the hearing process.

You want to have a hearing over a 2nd-hand account tale sent to Feinstein, a 3rd party, about an individual who refused to press charges, had no intention of pressing charges, did not want this to come to light, did not want to be 'out'ed, does not want to press charges now, does not want to testify, and whose memory of the event has been proven to be 'flawed' at best, as the individuals she claims are her witnesses have stated IT NEVER HAPPENED?!

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT THE GOP TO DO?

I thought you liberals did not believe in WATER-BOARDING, especially women?!

 

[DrLove]

well I've always heard someone drunk doesn't have full recognition of their thoughts. so how can she remember if she was drunk?

Who said that she was drunk when this happened?

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

And they had to scrub the Year Book from the Girl's Prep School...because of the references to the girls going to drunken parties...

Fast times at Holton-Arms High when Christine Blasey Ford was a student there

The blog Cult of the First Amendment says:

On Monday Sept. 17th, Christine Blasey Ford's high school yearbooks suddenly disappeared from the web. I read them days before, knew they would be scrubbed, and saved them. Why did I know they would be scrubbed? Because if roles were reversed, and Christine Blasey Ford had been nominated for the Supreme Court by President Trump, the headline by the resistance would be this:

CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND THE DRUNKEN WHITE PRIVILEGED RACIST PLAYGIRLS OF HOLTON-ARMS.

And it would be an accurate headline. That's why the yearbooks have been scrubbed. They are a testament to the incredible power these girls had over their teachers, parents and the boys of Georgetown Prep, Landon and other schools in the area. In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it
----------

These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh's yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

And you will wonder while reading them, why the hell did the faculty approve of these yearbooks? Why did the parents take out paid ads in these yearbooks? Animal House had nothing on the infamous "Holton party scene".

The resistance media has been singularly focused on Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbooks, which imply that he got drunk and threw up. There's no need to imply anything from the Holton-Arms yearbooks. It's all there in focus, and the written word too. All of the sordid details as approved for publication by a "look the other way" faculty. And now it's available for historical/evidentiary review.

GobbledyGOOP from AmericanStinker and some Cult?

 

[iceberg]

Nobody - they made it up and they're sticking to it.

Teenagers that go to drinking parties, typically drink.

You need to get out more.

"Typically" doesn't necessarily describe this young lady. Unless you were there with a breathalyzer, STFU

Actually "typical" does apply, she comes across as the typical dumbass liberal.

She had farah fawcet hair , look at her she was slutty as Rebecca De Mornay in risky business..

Why I continue to read your posts is a mystery. Guess that I enjoy your special brand of STOOOOPID!

well in all fairness you've got to get tired of your own brand of stupid.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I believe Ford. The facts are pretty convincing and support her credibility. I am listing the facts, and scoring them for their probative value on a 1 - 5 scale.


Revealed the attack in 2012 - 5
There would be no reason for her to make up this story in 2012. She stated then that the two individuals involved had become prominent members of Washington society, and that is true for Kavanaugh and Judge.

Revealed Kavanaugh's name in 2012 - 2
That she revealed the name only to her husband drastically reduces the impact of this piece of information. We can't ignore the possibility that her husband is willing to lie to support her. But we also cannot discount his statements simply because he is her husband. If there were potential for some kind of tangible benefit for this couple to gain, I would score this a "1", but any possible benefit to be gained would be several steps removed, at best.

Anonymous July letter - 3
Anyone can submit an anonymous letter and say anything. In and of itself it doesn't mean much, and by itself it wouldn't doing much with. But what is significant here is that Ford is not, in any way, trying to launch a last minute torpedo to delay Kavanaugh's confirmation. She submitted an "FYI" letter to inform her Senator, but she didn't want to be in the spotlight. Feinstein's office probably handled this in a very partisan way, playing political games. But that is no reflection on Ford's credibility. Ford only came forward after the letter was leaked and made public.

Going into hiding - 3
In conjunction with the previous point, it is pretty clear that Ford is looking for 15 minutes of fame. To the contrary, she would rather stay out of the spotlight. She didn't have to step forward and reveal herself, and she doesn't like being in the spotlight, but she's done it anyway. What we're seeing is much more consistent with a sexual assault victim who is struggling for the strength to speak out, than a partisan who is making salacious lies. This doesn't speak directly to the veracity of her claims. But her reluctance to testify is consistent with the fact that she hadn't wanted to come forward in the first place, which supports her credibility.

Request for FBI, other investigations - 4
While not wanting to testify in front of the entire nation, she has said that she would want the FBI to investigate. This would be consistent with a sexual assault victim who longs for privacy. But perhaps more importantly, it would open her up to legal liability. And that fully neutralizes the suggestions by some that her reluctance to testify her way of trying to avoid perjury.

Classmate claims to have known about incident - 1
Contemporary knowledge of the incident would be a powerfully convincing fact. If what this classmate is saying is true, it's devastating and puts seals the deal. However, much more is needed before it can be afforded significant weight. As it stands now, this classmate could easily be lying and just trying to tip the scales for partisan reasons. This classmate suggests that the incident became general knowledge among much of the student body. So we should be able to expect there to be other classmates who would also remember hearing about the incident. If others come forward, this point could become strong enough to eliminate all doubt. Until then, it is a very weak piece of evidence. Especially because every indication from Ford thus far is that she kept the incident secret out of embarrassment.

Right now she is being prepped on how to cry on cue...victim status is hard work and a grueling job

 

[Freiheit]

How do you weigh a nothing burger?
Just another fanatic deluded into thinking he/she/it's opinion matters.

 

[Pop23]

well I've always heard someone drunk doesn't have full recognition of their thoughts. so how can she remember if she was drunk?

Who said that she was drunk when this happened?

she didn't know how she got to the party
she didn't know who's house it was
she doesn't recall what year it happened
she doesn't know how she got home

give me a better reason for why all this is true.

You don't know any of those things. Made up garbage simply because not every detail was in the letter.

And they had to scrub the Year Book from the Girl's Prep School...because of the references to the girls going to drunken parties...

Fast times at Holton-Arms High when Christine Blasey Ford was a student there

The blog Cult of the First Amendment says:

On Monday Sept. 17th, Christine Blasey Ford's high school yearbooks suddenly disappeared from the web. I read them days before, knew they would be scrubbed, and saved them. Why did I know they would be scrubbed? Because if roles were reversed, and Christine Blasey Ford had been nominated for the Supreme Court by President Trump, the headline by the resistance would be this:

CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND THE DRUNKEN WHITE PRIVILEGED RACIST PLAYGIRLS OF HOLTON-ARMS.

And it would be an accurate headline. That's why the yearbooks have been scrubbed. They are a testament to the incredible power these girls had over their teachers, parents and the boys of Georgetown Prep, Landon and other schools in the area. In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it
----------

These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh's yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

And you will wonder while reading them, why the hell did the faculty approve of these yearbooks? Why did the parents take out paid ads in these yearbooks? Animal House had nothing on the infamous "Holton party scene".

The resistance media has been singularly focused on Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbooks, which imply that he got drunk and threw up. There's no need to imply anything from the Holton-Arms yearbooks. It's all there in focus, and the written word too. All of the sordid details as approved for publication by a "look the other way" faculty. And now it's available for historical/evidentiary review.

GobbledyGOOP from AmericanStinker and some Cult?

There are actually schools like that.

The reason you aren’t aware of them is we tried to keep the dorks out.

 

[Lesh]

I believe Ford. The facts are pretty convincing and support her credibility. I am listing the facts, and scoring them for their probative value on a 1 - 5 scale.


Revealed the attack in 2012 - 5
There would be no reason for her to make up this story in 2012. She stated then that the two individuals involved had become prominent members of Washington society, and that is true for Kavanaugh and Judge.

Revealed Kavanaugh's name in 2012 - 2
That she revealed the name only to her husband drastically reduces the impact of this piece of information. We can't ignore the possibility that her husband is willing to lie to support her. But we also cannot discount his statements simply because he is her husband. If there were potential for some kind of tangible benefit for this couple to gain, I would score this a "1", but any possible benefit to be gained would be several steps removed, at best.

Anonymous July letter - 3
Anyone can submit an anonymous letter and say anything. In and of itself it doesn't mean much, and by itself it wouldn't doing much with. But what is significant here is that Ford is not, in any way, trying to launch a last minute torpedo to delay Kavanaugh's confirmation. She submitted an "FYI" letter to inform her Senator, but she didn't want to be in the spotlight. Feinstein's office probably handled this in a very partisan way, playing political games. But that is no reflection on Ford's credibility. Ford only came forward after the letter was leaked and made public.

Going into hiding - 3
In conjunction with the previous point, it is pretty clear that Ford is looking for 15 minutes of fame. To the contrary, she would rather stay out of the spotlight. She didn't have to step forward and reveal herself, and she doesn't like being in the spotlight, but she's done it anyway. What we're seeing is much more consistent with a sexual assault victim who is struggling for the strength to speak out, than a partisan who is making salacious lies. This doesn't speak directly to the veracity of her claims. But her reluctance to testify is consistent with the fact that she hadn't wanted to come forward in the first place, which supports her credibility.

Request for FBI, other investigations - 4
While not wanting to testify in front of the entire nation, she has said that she would want the FBI to investigate. This would be consistent with a sexual assault victim who longs for privacy. But perhaps more importantly, it would open her up to legal liability. And that fully neutralizes the suggestions by some that her reluctance to testify her way of trying to avoid perjury.

Classmate claims to have known about incident - 1
Contemporary knowledge of the incident would be a powerfully convincing fact. If what this classmate is saying is true, it's devastating and puts seals the deal. However, much more is needed before it can be afforded significant weight. As it stands now, this classmate could easily be lying and just trying to tip the scales for partisan reasons. This classmate suggests that the incident became general knowledge among much of the student body. So we should be able to expect there to be other classmates who would also remember hearing about the incident. If others come forward, this point could become strong enough to eliminate all doubt. Until then, it is a very weak piece of evidence. Especially because every indication from Ford thus far is that she kept the incident secret out of embarrassment.

Your analysis and ratings notwithstanding, it is utterly absurd to disqualify an otherwise outstanding person for an incident that happened decades ago before he had reached legal age and while he was drunk. If this is the worst thing he has very done, and there is nothing I have seen he has done anything else since then (no pattern of poor judgement and bad behavior) then he should be confirmed post haste.

"Your analysis and ratings notwithstanding, it is utterly absurd to disqualify an otherwise outstanding person for an incident that happened decades ago before he had reached legal age and while he was drunk"

You're SERIOUSLY trying to excuse sexual assault as no big deal? ANd using the "I was drunk" defense?

Are ya kidding?

This guy wants to sit on the bench of the highest court in the land FOR LIFE