Christian values

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You exist, therefore God exists.

No God, no you.

Whose "God?"

 

[sealybobo]

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

None of the those things are proof of God.

You exist, therefore God exists.

No God, no you.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

None of the those things are proof of God.

You exist, therefore God exists.

No God, no you.

There's nothing in the first mover argument that requires your conception of god. Only that something moved first. It didn't need to be sentient, good, be aware we exist, design anything, or even exist after moving first.

You added all of that. And you can't back any of it.

Logically, rationally, and per the evidence, you fail gloriously.

This universe is just one in an infinite number of universes divided by empty space. No universe lasts forever in fact ours is dying. Less than ten billion years left.

Black holes don't lead to other universes they just are like holes in a balloon. Think lava lamp on a grand scale.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't understand. Explain.

Well, you are a Leftist.

The irrational species of reasoning that acts of the Operating System of "Leftism", is known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's own cultural, societal, historical and personal context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

It is through this perversion of reason; wherein relativism axiomatically rejects the very existence of objectivity; which is essential to truth, that we find that such precludes the means for Left-think to serve justice.

With truth being essential to trust and, both: truth and trust being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality and, because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

Now, you... as a Relativist come to the board and proclaim "There is no God!", which is an absolute, of the irrational, thus unsustainable variety.

This after a slew of inconsistencies... 'Ya don't value life so much that you're not willing to grant a woman the right to murder her pre-born child.'

Again... that's an irrational statement. You don't value life which is not yours. That is perfectly rational... for a sociopath.

The problem that ya have is that sociopaths are severely flawed human beings. And while all human beings are flawed, you people are saddled with sever mental disorder... and that means that you should never be allowed to be unsupervised; EVER... let alone vote... or speak in public, or marry, or bear children... .

But, in fairness to you, Relativism is the nature of all facets of sociopathy.

And none of you people should be left unsupervised... because, if ya are, you will inevitably organize into a destructive cult, which will inevitably find some means to power and you'll run the nation into the ground.

Does that help at all?

Arent you suppose to provide a link? You didn't write all that.

 

[sealybobo]

That's funny because I would agree with everything you said if you just took God out of your sentences. God is unnecessary.

That's funny, because God is necessarily, all that IS.

Then I'm god

In a manner of speaking you are God. You are the purpose that God created the universe. You just choose to be petulant, ungrateful child. You reject God, and in so doing you become the opposite of God. Where God is objective, you are subjective. Where God is clear in his law and fair in his enforcement of such, you are muddy in your law and wanting in the enforcement of your law.

Where God is reason, you are unreason.

It happens... and it always brings the same pitiful consequences. This in stark contrast to the BENEFIT of simply recognizing God, Respecting God, Defending God's law and adhering to such.

Why are you the reason God created the universe? What about the life on all the other planets?

And why did God put trilobites on earth for a million years before dinosaurs? And dinosaurs for millions of years after that and before us? Doesn't seem like we played a signifagant role until the last 100,000 years. That's nothing in time.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

That's funny because I would agree with everything you said if you just took God out of your sentences. God is unnecessary.

That's funny, because God is necessarily, all that IS.

Then I'm god

In a manner of speaking you are God. You are the purpose that God created the universe. You just choose to be petulant, ungrateful child. You reject God, and in so doing you become the opposite of God. Where God is objective, you are subjective. Where God is clear in his law and fair in his enforcement of such, you are muddy in your law and wanting in the enforcement of your law.

Where God is reason, you are unreason.

It happens... and it always brings the same pitiful consequences. This in stark contrast to the BENEFIT of simply recognizing God, Respecting God, Defending God's law and adhering to such.

Why are you the reason God created the universe? What about the life on all the other planets?


Is there something that's less than significant about life on other planets, that would somehow make such unworthy of God's creation?

If so what would that be, if not, then what's your point?

And why did God put trilobites on earth for a million years before dinosaurs? And dinosaurs for millions of years after that and before us? Doesn't seem like we played a signifagant role until the last 100,000 years. That's nothing in time.

How cool is it, that you feel God is limited by what we call "Time"?

ROFL! It's ADORABLE!

Why wouldn't God put lower species on forming planets? Would you do it differently? If so what would you do and why? If not, then what's your point?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I don't understand. Explain.

Well, you are a Leftist.

The irrational species of reasoning that acts of the Operating System of "Leftism", is known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's own cultural, societal, historical and personal context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

It is through this perversion of reason; wherein relativism axiomatically rejects the very existence of objectivity; which is essential to truth, that we find that such precludes the means for Left-think to serve justice.

With truth being essential to trust and, both: truth and trust being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality and, because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

Now, you... as a Relativist come to the board and proclaim "There is no God!", which is an absolute, of the irrational, thus unsustainable variety.

This after a slew of inconsistencies... 'Ya don't value life so much that you're not willing to grant a woman the right to murder her pre-born child.'

Again... that's an irrational statement. You don't value life which is not yours. That is perfectly rational... for a sociopath.

The problem that ya have is that sociopaths are severely flawed human beings. And while all human beings are flawed, you people are saddled with sever mental disorder... and that means that you should never be allowed to be unsupervised; EVER... let alone vote... or speak in public, or marry, or bear children... .

But, in fairness to you, Relativism is the nature of all facets of sociopathy.

And none of you people should be left unsupervised... because, if ya are, you will inevitably organize into a destructive cult, which will inevitably find some means to power and you'll run the nation into the ground.

Does that help at all?

Arent you suppose to provide a link? You didn't write all that.

You need a link? To what, the original authorship? I can't see how that's relevant, but... sure... why not.

No problem.

#259

There ya go... (It was already imbedded in the thread, but if it helps... there's no harm if making it easier for the Intellectually Less Fortunate.)

 

[quorthon]

America to get back to Christian values? No way, I see feelings of Christians will be hurt on more than one occasion. The government cares to prevent racial minorities and LGBT disaffection, but Christians - they'll endure whatever the government do.

 

[seaofnails]

Hello.

The research shows that well over 20 % of people who identify as Christian in America do not even believe in the literal God of The Bible, nor believe the Bible to be Gods literal word.

I know that the number is even higher. I have noticed that most people who identify as " Christian " do not like the Bible, particularly and especially when speaking of the Old Testament and when the original Greek manuscripts are studied, also people who identify as " Christian " end up disliking the Bible. [ in its original meaning from the manuscripts. }

– However, if people calling themselves Christians would follow the Old Testament, the Christian world today would not have millions upon millions of diseases and infected people who identify as " Christian ".

There are different subjects and sub-categories and types of expectations when speaking of - " morality "

The Morality of Atheistism is really defined as = the personalized and private morality of the many, many different sub groups of the many atheist's communities and atheists individuals around the world.
With Atheists, I believe that the morality standards are diversified and a very massive spectrum in deciding what morality is supposed to be. We have Atheists in The Soviet Union, China, Vietnamnam and Korea who have decided that communism is the moral standard. These atheist communists have murdered hundreds of millions of religious people who were breaking their laws and morals.

But Here in the USA, the atheist community has not established an Atheist Communism Government and atheists have been very peaceful and non-violent toward religious people and there has never been a violent conflict between the religious and the atheist. And the atheist's community is only around 22 % of the USA population and although atheists make up about 50 % of the gay community in the USA, the gay community itself is only around 2 % of the population in the USA but Nearly 67% of All TOTAL New HIV Cases. My heart goes out to atheists here in the USA and I hope that they can break free of these problems that are plaguing them.

If atheists could follow the morals of the Bible, even if they do not believe in a deity, I believe that atheists can better their lives and a great future would be ahead of them. Because in the Bible the point that the prophets were making was that the Jews were to be clean. The cleaning of pots, pans, vessels, Washing, BATHING Every Single time after SEX, Washing after touching Dead People or animals. Keeping away from other people if You touch a Dead ROTTING Animal. Making sure to Mary a virgin or a widow. No sex with Animals. No gay sex.

'When any man at all - has a discharge from his body, His discharge is unclean.

And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, Whoever sits on anything that is unclean shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and bathe his body in running water ........ 'If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water.................'If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood - everything that she sits on shall be unclean. the LAW was to --- ___ ** separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness. Don't Eat bats, Lions, Cats, Rats, Eel, stingray, and catfish fishes with no fins and scales) Snakes. Don't Eat Raw Blood. the Point of punishment for BLOOD CRIMES> The law of Moses, Punished People for Committing BLOOD CRIMES against Others. Creating Diseases, Birth Defects, and Plagues. Today People Run Wild, INFECTING Millions. .......God Did not put up With this. the actors were punished and the Disease, infections, and Danger to Innocent Lives and People Following the LAW were safe. Water supplies, Food Supplies and All Cooking and Daily Living was Safe. Today we have millions of innocent people with diseases and these BLOOD CRIMES are destroying millions of people. Today nearly 37 million people worldwide living with HIV, approximately 1.8 million are innocent children.
There are 23,000 to 46,000 children in the U.S. with Hepatitis C. In comparison, approximately four million American adults have the virus.

I just wish that People would consider the results of their actions instead of seeing the Bible as harsh and so cruel. If people could see that ignoring the Bible morality standards are causing death, suffering, Pain and killing one another and innocent Children. The Bible shows how to live in a safe, clean healthy and family oriented life - in BIBLICAL Days, Once You are Infected with a Disease - You are doomed to a Life of Horrible Suffering, pain, torment, agony, and Death. No CURES, no medical Treatment, no treatment and no painkillers.

The infected people infect the water supply and food and animals and spread to the rest of your multiple wives an future children and the entire plagues can be spread to hundreds of other people.

Remember that the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, -- Lev 18:3 YOU SHALL NOT DO - after the doings of the land of Canaan, neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Lev 18:5 Ye shall, therefore, keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Moses Goes on to explaining the Details of the Behavior of the People who were living in the land of Canaan. Lev 18: 6 - 21 eXplains that they were incestuous people who were having sexual encounters with their own Daughters, Sons their Own Mothers and Fathers. A huge seXual Fest of Incest. Lev 18:22 eXplains that they were into HomoseXuality... Lev 18:23 explains that they were into seX with Animals. Lev 18:24 Defile, not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, \

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a prostitute ; lest the land fall to whoredom. God was demanding that His people not become infected with germs and diseases that would destroy them.

This is the entire purpose of Gods law. ___ REMEMBER- THEIR BLOOD BE UPON THEM.

BLOOD CRIMES ARE REAL. Especially when there are no cures, nothing but death and suffering to whomever You infect.
In the Bible days, there were no treatments, tests, medicines and antibiotics, cures, surgeries and modern advanced technologies. Once You catch a disease You and everyone that You knowingly infect are doomed to suffer a horrible, painful and excruciating, torturous and agonizing Painful horrible death. You beg for someone to knock You in the head and get it over with as Your penis or guts or liver or organs are literally slowly rotting off - with no painkillers, no treatments, and medicine. The Jews were being constantly attacked and were in a constant state of war. They were always on the run and living and surviving with all of Your neighbors attacking You is nearly impossible especially when Your neighbors are also spreading diseases in the water supply and by having sexual contact with people in Your Own Neighborhoods. Leviticus has explained many of the details of the violent, evil behaviors of the neighbors of the Israelites who were allied against Israel and attacking them.

Even if You or I do not believe in a deity – we can still read The Bible Stories and see what they were dealing with and what they had to do to survive and keep from being infected with widespread diseases, plagues and symptoms

 

[koshergrl]

Hello.

The research shows that well over 20 % of people who identify as Christian in America do not even believe in the literal God of The Bible, nor believe the Bible to be Gods literal word.

I know that the number is even higher. I have noticed that most people who identify as " Christian " do not like the Bible, particularly and especially when speaking of the Old Testament and when the original Greek manuscripts are studied, also people who identify as " Christian " end up disliking the Bible. [ in its original meaning from the manuscripts. }

– However, if people calling themselves Christians would follow the Old Testament, the Christian world today would not have millions upon millions of diseases and infected people who identify as " Christian ".

There are different subjects and sub-categories and types of expectations when speaking of - " morality "

The Morality of Atheistism is really defined as = the personalized and private morality of the many, many different sub groups of the many atheist's communities and atheists individuals around the world.
With Atheists, I believe that the morality standards are diversified and a very massive spectrum in deciding what morality is supposed to be. We have Atheists in The Soviet Union, China, Vietnamnam and Korea who have decided that communism is the moral standard. These atheist communists have murdered hundreds of millions of religious people who were breaking their laws and morals.

But Here in the USA, the atheist community has not established an Atheist Communism Government and atheists have been very peaceful and non-violent toward religious people and there has never been a violent conflict between the religious and the atheist. And the atheist's community is only around 22 % of the USA population and although atheists make up about 50 % of the gay community in the USA, the gay community itself is only around 2 % of the population in the USA but Nearly 67% of All TOTAL New HIV Cases. My heart goes out to atheists here in the USA and I hope that they can break free of these problems that are plaguing them.

If atheists could follow the morals of the Bible, even if they do not believe in a deity, I believe that atheists can better their lives and a great future would be ahead of them. Because in the Bible the point that the prophets were making was that the Jews were to be clean. The cleaning of pots, pans, vessels, Washing, BATHING Every Single time after SEX, Washing after touching Dead People or animals. Keeping away from other people if You touch a Dead ROTTING Animal. Making sure to Mary a virgin or a widow. No sex with Animals. No gay sex.

'When any man at all - has a discharge from his body, His discharge is unclean.

And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, Whoever sits on anything that is unclean shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and bathe his body in running water ........ 'If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water.................'If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood - everything that she sits on shall be unclean. the LAW was to --- ___ ** separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness. Don't Eat bats, Lions, Cats, Rats, Eel, stingray, and catfish fishes with no fins and scales) Snakes. Don't Eat Raw Blood. the Point of punishment for BLOOD CRIMES> The law of Moses, Punished People for Committing BLOOD CRIMES against Others. Creating Diseases, Birth Defects, and Plagues. Today People Run Wild, INFECTING Millions. .......God Did not put up With this. the actors were punished and the Disease, infections, and Danger to Innocent Lives and People Following the LAW were safe. Water supplies, Food Supplies and All Cooking and Daily Living was Safe. Today we have millions of innocent people with diseases and these BLOOD CRIMES are destroying millions of people. Today nearly 37 million people worldwide living with HIV, approximately 1.8 million are innocent children.
There are 23,000 to 46,000 children in the U.S. with Hepatitis C. In comparison, approximately four million American adults have the virus.

I just wish that People would consider the results of their actions instead of seeing the Bible as harsh and so cruel. If people could see that ignoring the Bible morality standards are causing death, suffering, Pain and killing one another and innocent Children. The Bible shows how to live in a safe, clean healthy and family oriented life - in BIBLICAL Days, Once You are Infected with a Disease - You are doomed to a Life of Horrible Suffering, pain, torment, agony, and Death. No CURES, no medical Treatment, no treatment and no painkillers.

The infected people infect the water supply and food and animals and spread to the rest of your multiple wives an future children and the entire plagues can be spread to hundreds of other people.

Remember that the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, -- Lev 18:3 YOU SHALL NOT DO - after the doings of the land of Canaan, neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Lev 18:5 Ye shall, therefore, keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Moses Goes on to explaining the Details of the Behavior of the People who were living in the land of Canaan. Lev 18: 6 - 21 eXplains that they were incestuous people who were having sexual encounters with their own Daughters, Sons their Own Mothers and Fathers. A huge seXual Fest of Incest. Lev 18:22 eXplains that they were into HomoseXuality... Lev 18:23 explains that they were into seX with Animals. Lev 18:24 Defile, not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, \

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a prostitute ; lest the land fall to whoredom. God was demanding that His people not become infected with germs and diseases that would destroy them.

This is the entire purpose of Gods law. ___ REMEMBER- THEIR BLOOD BE UPON THEM.

BLOOD CRIMES ARE REAL. Especially when there are no cures, nothing but death and suffering to whomever You infect.
In the Bible days, there were no treatments, tests, medicines and antibiotics, cures, surgeries and modern advanced technologies. Once You catch a disease You and everyone that You knowingly infect are doomed to suffer a horrible, painful and excruciating, torturous and agonizing Painful horrible death. You beg for someone to knock You in the head and get it over with as Your penis or guts or liver or organs are literally slowly rotting off - with no painkillers, no treatments, and medicine. The Jews were being constantly attacked and were in a constant state of war. They were always on the run and living and surviving with all of Your neighbors attacking You is nearly impossible especially when Your neighbors are also spreading diseases in the water supply and by having sexual contact with people in Your Own Neighborhoods. Leviticus has explained many of the details of the violent, evil behaviors of the neighbors of the Israelites who were allied against Israel and attacking them.

Even if You or I do not believe in a deity – we can still read The Bible Stories and see what they were dealing with and what they had to do to survive and keep from being infected with widespread diseases, plagues and symptoms

A lot of people who are not Christian pretend to be, because they think it lends strength to their anti-Christian ideology.

 

[seaofnails]

Absolutely -

Also --- I think that is it important to realize that in the book of Num 25:9 the bible says that " And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. " 24,000 people died at once from a huge plauge.
Why ? - If we read the entire chapter we find out why.

Num 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.
6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation and took a javelin in his hand.
8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague stayed from the children of Israel.
Num 25:9 " And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand

The Bible is very clear. The Midianites and Moabites were bringing plagues, sickness, and diseases through unclean infected foods or unclean sexual acts or both into the Hebrew camps and they thus were following the other gods.

ALWAYS in the Bible the term " Following the other gods '" always referred to and included the practices of the dangerous activity that was killing and infecting and killing thousands of people at a time and the god of the Bible was stopping the plagues and diseases by ordering the killing and removal of those who knew what they were doing was wrong and who were spreading the plagues and diseases and murdering their fellow citizens.

There were no cures, no medicines, no doctors or prescriptions and surgeries.