Christian values

[AvgGuyIA]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

None of the those things are proof of God.

 

[Avatar4321]

Right. White People values. The only kind, the only kind that matter anyway.

Yes... exactly, white people's values; the only kind that actually work; thus the only kind that work.

Ya see scamp... 'work' means 'viable' in white people words.

Does that help?

Or were you under the impression that multi-culturalism was, first a word... and second, that it was a valid, sustainable concept; or as you would put it: somethin' that werks'.

God is not a white dude.

Huh... God is energy. Thus he exist across the entire spectrum, all spectrums.

And if it makes you feel any better about it, you being saddled with a lessor color isn't what precludes you from being capable of sound reason... that's merely the evil that animates you.

God does not like being called energy.

Apparently you are the one who was saddled with a color as it has corrupted your mind.

How do you know what God likes? This aught to be good.

You could ask Him.

 

[Avatar4321]

Would you say no if Obama asked you to die for your country?

obama has no kinship with my country...

But if ya need something to guage how I'd react to obama... in any situation, let me frame it for ya this way:

I wouldn't step off the curb to piss on him, if obama were on fire in the gutter. I'd wait until the flame had consumed him... THEN PISS ON HIS SMOLDERING CORPSE.

Then you have reason to be complaining about the lack of Christian values when you fail to live them.

 

[Avatar4321]

How do you know what God likes? This aught to be good.

God likes sound Reason... as God IS sound Reason.

That's likely why you've no potential for any kinship with God. You lack the means to reason soundly.

Ya see to reason soundly, one must be in fellowship with God. No Fellowship with God and ya get the irrational drivel for which you are intrinsically known.

We already have a word for sound reasoning. It's sound reasoning. No God necessary.

You're in fellowship with a delusion. If you are godly that makes me laugh.

Sound reasoning never becomes unsound reasoning. Marriage doesn't suddenly become anything we want it to be. Abortion is never a good thing. "Free love" comes with free (often unseen, misdiagnosed and incurable) diseases/complications. You're deluded if you think you are going to live forever. Well before the age of 50 we begin to fall apart----stupidity speeds things up, while arrogance often brings mortal life to an abrupt end.

At one time it made sense to have lots of kids. Sound reasoning today won't be the same 1000 years from now, will it?

If your unwed daughter got knocked up sound reasoning said kill her 1000 years ago.

If you knew an athiest 1000 years ago you burned them alive.

So today gay is not bad. So what if it's not normal. What causes disease in heteros? Unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Sometimes abortion is the right thing to do.

You people are the ones who think you will live forever. Nothing lives forever except unprovable God and you.

How was killing your daughter for being pregnant sound reasoning?

When was burning an atheist, or anyone, at the stake sound reasoning?

Abortion is never the right option.

We will all live forever. That's the promise of the resurrection.

 

[Avatar4321]

At one time it made sense to have lots of kids. Sound reasoning today won't be the same 1000 years from now, will it?

ROFL! Yes.

Sound Reasoning was the same a thousand years ago and it will remain the same a thousand years from now. The laws governing reason change neither with time, nor popular whimsy.

But hey... there is no way you could have known that... given that you've no kinship with those laws.

Before God and priests we had mystics. Before the Jews we had Greek gods and reading cups. Eventually astrology became a joke and has been replaced with astronomy.

It didn't thunder because Zeus is angry. Our ancestors were ignorant and many of us still are today.

You seem very unaware what a douch you are.

So why continue in ignorance? Why don't you seek out the Lord and learn for yourself?

 

[Avatar4321]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

None of the those things are proof of God.

Prove? No. Provide evidence for? Heck yeah.

If you want proof, get a witness from the Spirit. When God speaks to you, you know.

 

[RandomVariable]

Would you say no if Obama asked you to die for your country?

obama has no kinship with my country...

But if ya need something to guage how I'd react to obama... in any situation, let me frame it for ya this way:

I wouldn't step off the curb to piss on him, if obama were on fire in the gutter. I'd wait until the flame had consumed him... THEN PISS ON HIS SMOLDERING CORPSE.

Then you have reason to be complaining about the lack of Christian values when you fail to live them.

Keys, to add to what Avatar said, when the people of Israel and Judea pleaded with the prophet Samuel that God give them a king God had Samuel anoint King Saul. Samuel repeatedly warned the people that God did not want them to have a king and terrible things would befall them. After a while David was chosen by God to lead Israel. And while Saul was bad for Israel and was obsessed with killing David when David had the chance in the cave to kill Saul he did not. David knew that Saul had been chosen by God to be king and it was more important that David do what he should do rather than to work to undo what God had done. Many years later Jesus would give this same message to the world. Work harder at following God's will rather than trying to play God.

 

[sealybobo]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

Perfect? Nothing is perfect. It's how we got here. Rogue meteor. You know so little. Maybe in another 1000 years.

You have too many questions that have answers that you just don't know for anyone to take you seriously when you are sure you know about this God creature that you in your head

 

[Avatar4321]

The difference between us and you is we seek answers to the questions instead comprehending no one can ever know and we acknowledge the source of those answers

 

[Skylar]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony.

What does that even mean? If you're going to make a scientific and mathematics argument, you're going to need to get really specific scientifically and mathematically.. Your argument so far is much more....philosophic. And then only vaguely so.

There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly.

And what did you use to come to this conclusion? What is your basis of comparison? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'perfect harmony'. I'm not sure you do.

There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

I have no idea. And just because I have no idea how that developed doesn't mean 'god did it'. You're offering a gap argument. Where any area where we don't know the answer yet is 'God did it!' That's an end to inquiry. It reveals nothing, it explains nothing, it clarifies nothing.

And of course, is backed by nothing.

Worse, its a super natural explanation for natural processes. Magic. That's not a scientific argument. That's a treatment for a new Harry Potter novel.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of god. Its the absence of evidence.

 

[Skylar]

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony. There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly. There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

None of the those things are proof of God.

Prove? No. Provide evidence for? Heck yeah.

If you want proof, get a witness from the Spirit. When God speaks to you, you know.

Which God? According to who? Sporting what atttribute? According to which tenets? And how many?

 

[sealybobo]

The difference between us and you is we seek answers to the questions instead comprehending no one can ever know and we acknowledge the source of those answers

No. You presume to have the answers.

What caused the big bang? You think you know.

 

[sealybobo]

So

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony.

What does that even mean? If you're going to make a scientific and mathematics argument, you're going to need to get really specific scientifically and mathematically.. Your argument so far is much more....philosophic. And then only vaguely so.

There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly.

And what did you use to come to this conclusion? What is your basis of comparison? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'perfect harmony'. I'm not sure you do.

There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

I have no idea. And just because I have no idea how that developed doesn't mean 'god did it'. You're offering a gap argument. Where any area where we don't know the answer yet is 'God did it!' That's an end to inquiry. It reveals nothing, it explains nothing, it clarifies nothing.

And of course, is backed by nothing.

Worse, its a super natural explanation for natural processes. Magic. That's not a scientific argument. That's a treatment for a new Harry Potter novel.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of god. Its the absence of evidence.

Some of them claim to have seen or felt it. Kinda hard to argue with that when they've seen God or heard him with their own two ears. Just because you or I never have.

 

[Skylar]

So

What are you talking about, dumb ass? You need to have it explained to you that you and 7 billion other people on the planet are alive? That's pretty much indisputable.

What isn't proven is the existence of your magical sky fairy, and the 2000 other ones that people worship around the world, for which is there is zero evidence. The challenge is for you to prove your mythology, which you can't. It's not up to me prove a negative.

. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony.

What does that even mean? If you're going to make a scientific and mathematics argument, you're going to need to get really specific scientifically and mathematically.. Your argument so far is much more....philosophic. And then only vaguely so.

There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly.

And what did you use to come to this conclusion? What is your basis of comparison? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'perfect harmony'. I'm not sure you do.

There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

I have no idea. And just because I have no idea how that developed doesn't mean 'god did it'. You're offering a gap argument. Where any area where we don't know the answer yet is 'God did it!' That's an end to inquiry. It reveals nothing, it explains nothing, it clarifies nothing.

And of course, is backed by nothing.

Worse, its a super natural explanation for natural processes. Magic. That's not a scientific argument. That's a treatment for a new Harry Potter novel.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of god. Its the absence of evidence.

Some of them claim to have seen or felt it. Kinda hard to argue with that when they've seen God or heard him with their own two ears. Just because you or I never have.

Then their 'evidence' is, by its very nature, hopelessly subjective.

 

[LittleNipper]

How do you know what God likes? This aught to be good.

God likes sound Reason... as God IS sound Reason.

That's likely why you've no potential for any kinship with God. You lack the means to reason soundly.

Ya see to reason soundly, one must be in fellowship with God. No Fellowship with God and ya get the irrational drivel for which you are intrinsically known.

We already have a word for sound reasoning. It's sound reasoning. No God necessary.

You're in fellowship with a delusion. If you are godly that makes me laugh.

Sound reasoning never becomes unsound reasoning. Marriage doesn't suddenly become anything we want it to be. Abortion is never a good thing. "Free love" comes with free (often unseen, misdiagnosed and incurable) diseases/complications. You're deluded if you think you are going to live forever. Well before the age of 50 we begin to fall apart----stupidity speeds things up, while arrogance often brings mortal life to an abrupt end.

At one time it made sense to have lots of kids. Sound reasoning today won't be the same 1000 years from now, will it?

If your unwed daughter got knocked up sound reasoning said kill her 1000 years ago.

If you knew an athiest 1000 years ago you burned them alive.

So today gay is not bad. So what if it's not normal. What causes disease in heteros? Unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Sometimes abortion is the right thing to do.

You people are the ones who think you will live forever. Nothing lives forever except unprovable God and you.

Actually, 2000 years ago, CHRISTIANS were considered ATHEISTS because they would not worship the Emperor. the Pharaoh, or Caesar --- who were considered a god. They were burned alive in Nero's garden, ripped apart by lions in the arena, or crucified. A girl who was raped was not killed. The rapist was if the country was following Old Testament Law.

Pagans killed their unwanted babies as idol sacrifices. Today babies are killed so that unrestrained sexuality can be worshipped without obligation to God's Law. Everyone eventually dies, and afterward comes The Judgment. An abortion should be the last possible resort to save a life. In that case, the baby is mourned and not tossed away as trash.

 

[sealybobo]

How do you know what God likes? This aught to be good.

God likes sound Reason... as God IS sound Reason.

That's likely why you've no potential for any kinship with God. You lack the means to reason soundly.

Ya see to reason soundly, one must be in fellowship with God. No Fellowship with God and ya get the irrational drivel for which you are intrinsically known.

We already have a word for sound reasoning. It's sound reasoning. No God necessary.

You're in fellowship with a delusion. If you are godly that makes me laugh.

Sound reasoning never becomes unsound reasoning. Marriage doesn't suddenly become anything we want it to be. Abortion is never a good thing. "Free love" comes with free (often unseen, misdiagnosed and incurable) diseases/complications. You're deluded if you think you are going to live forever. Well before the age of 50 we begin to fall apart----stupidity speeds things up, while arrogance often brings mortal life to an abrupt end.

At one time it made sense to have lots of kids. Sound reasoning today won't be the same 1000 years from now, will it?

If your unwed daughter got knocked up sound reasoning said kill her 1000 years ago.

If you knew an athiest 1000 years ago you burned them alive.

So today gay is not bad. So what if it's not normal. What causes disease in heteros? Unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Sometimes abortion is the right thing to do.

You people are the ones who think you will live forever. Nothing lives forever except unprovable God and you.

Actually, 2000 years ago, CHRISTIANS were considered ATHEISTS because they would not worship the Emperor. the Pharaoh, or Caesar --- who were considered a god. They were burned alive in Nero's garden, ripped apart by lions in the arena, or crucified. A girl who was raped was not killed. The rapist was if the country was following Old Testament Law.

Pagans killed their unwanted babies as idol sacrifices. Today babies are killed so that unrestrained sexuality can be worshipped without obligation to God's Law. Everyone eventually dies, and afterward comes The Judgment. An abortion should be the last possible resort to save a life. In that case, the baby is mourned and not tossed away as trash.

1. I don't value life so much a woman can't get an abortion but I do agree abortion is and should be a last resort/option.
2. I don't care what Christians were called back then. The problem Christians had back then was they were just a small cult. The people who persecuted them also believed in gods. Shows you belief in god doesn't always make people good in fact it rarely does.
3. Spartans tossed retarded babies in the pit of death. Thank god today we have abortion.
4. There is no god. So I don't care about gods law. I'm more interested in human law.
5. Everyone eventually dies except you, remember? You live for eternity. Everything else dies but you and god.
6. You're trying to scare people who get abortions with hell. Fact is, most aborters are Christians. Only makes sense. If most Americans are christians, probably most people getting abortions are Christians. That's the great thing about Christianity. You can be a complete sinner and still go to heaven. All you have to do is ask for forgiveness and believe in Jesus. Do you think any woman who gets an abortion isn't sad about it? So problem solved. All is forgiven. And theyll see their baby in heaven one day, right?

 

[Avatar4321]

The difference between us and you is we seek answers to the questions instead comprehending no one can ever know and we acknowledge the source of those answers

No. You presume to have the answers.

What caused the big bang? You think you know.

I presume nothing. There are things I know and things I don't know. I only testify to the things I know

And that is that God lives and Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Avatar4321]

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. Try taking all the building blocks of this universe in a jar. Shake it for a couple billion years and see if you can create a perfectly balance universe we occupy, right down to your body with all the organs functioning in such a way to keep you living.

It won't happen. A universe this perfectly organized and run can only come from the hand of a Creator. Don't mater if you believe it or not. Explain how a single point exploded and all this just randomly came to be. You really have to have FAITH to believe that shit.

You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony.

What does that even mean? If you're going to make a scientific and mathematics argument, you're going to need to get really specific scientifically and mathematically.. Your argument so far is much more....philosophic. And then only vaguely so.

There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly.

And what did you use to come to this conclusion? What is your basis of comparison? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'perfect harmony'. I'm not sure you do.

There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

I have no idea. And just because I have no idea how that developed doesn't mean 'god did it'. You're offering a gap argument. Where any area where we don't know the answer yet is 'God did it!' That's an end to inquiry. It reveals nothing, it explains nothing, it clarifies nothing.

And of course, is backed by nothing.

Worse, its a super natural explanation for natural processes. Magic. That's not a scientific argument. That's a treatment for a new Harry Potter novel.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of god. Its the absence of evidence.

Some of them claim to have seen or felt it. Kinda hard to argue with that when they've seen God or heard him with their own two ears. Just because you or I never have.

Then their 'evidence' is, by its very nature, hopelessly subjective.

If evidence understood by our senses is hopelessly subjective then science is In trouble because science is based on evidences understood by our senses

 

[Skylar]

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You don't know that. So far the odds are 1 in 1. And the one thing we know incontrovertibly is that we're here. We've seen again and again that organization is perfectly natural and will happen given the right circumstances. Which are apparently abundant in the universe given enough time.

Gravity will clump stray gas into a solar system. Organic molecules are ludicrously common. And life, once its started, adapts to meet the circumstances of the environment. As the environment changes, so does life. You have yet to even establish the need for a creator. Let alone the certainty of one. You merely assume it must be so.

Worse, you're offering us supernatural explanations for natural events. And that's not a rational explanation. But an explicitly irrational one.

And finally, nothing mandates that a 'creator' be good. Or moral. Or even exist after creating. Further eroding the religious narrative. Its assumption based on assumption based on assumption, like a Russian nested doll. And at its center is no evidence. Merely naked belief.

Nonsense. The universe and everything in it is in perfect harmony.

What does that even mean? If you're going to make a scientific and mathematics argument, you're going to need to get really specific scientifically and mathematically.. Your argument so far is much more....philosophic. And then only vaguely so.

There isn't odds high enough for this to come together randomly.

And what did you use to come to this conclusion? What is your basis of comparison? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'perfect harmony'. I'm not sure you do.

There is a membrane behind your cornea called the epithelium. It pumps fluid away from your cornea so you can see clearly. Explain oh great scientist why did it come by naturally when nature could have left us seeing everything blurry. God made it so as he does with everything in nature.

I have no idea. And just because I have no idea how that developed doesn't mean 'god did it'. You're offering a gap argument. Where any area where we don't know the answer yet is 'God did it!' That's an end to inquiry. It reveals nothing, it explains nothing, it clarifies nothing.

And of course, is backed by nothing.

Worse, its a super natural explanation for natural processes. Magic. That's not a scientific argument. That's a treatment for a new Harry Potter novel.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of god. Its the absence of evidence.

Some of them claim to have seen or felt it. Kinda hard to argue with that when they've seen God or heard him with their own two ears. Just because you or I never have.

Then their 'evidence' is, by its very nature, hopelessly subjective.

If evidence understood by our senses is hopelessly subjective then science is In trouble because science is based on evidences understood by our senses

You realize that your evidence is literally your feelings, right? We can't experience your feelings. We can't verify them. We can't test them. They're yours and yours alone.

And given you can't even describe the nature of your god, let alone provide the slightest objective evidence of its existence, your feelings aren't nearly enough to be useful.