China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

What will Obama do? Likely NOTHING. Perhaps negotiate a new Suicide Time Again Regression Treaty.......


China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

"An analogy using a Western term would be 'initial operational capability (IOC),' whereby I think China would perceive that it has an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it," Adm. Willard told the Asahi Shimbun. "I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC."

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times

 

[rdean]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

 

[High_Gravity]

Righteous your avatar is hilarious!

 

[martybegan]

Every time I see these "ZOMG TEH BADGUYZE HAZ TEH KILLZR STUFF NAO" posts I get a chuckle.

Since one ape beat another with a stick (and the next ape to be beaten with a stick wore a coconut as a helmet) warfare has always been about the offense getting some new toy, and the defense figuring out away to make it worthless (or in reverse.) Mines were supposed to make naval warfare impossible, until they made minesweepers. Torpedoes were to render battleships obsolete, until they made torpedo boat destroyers. Tanks were supposed to make infantry useless, until they made anti-tank weapons, anti-tank weapons were supposed to spell the end of tanks, until they made better armor.

Its all cyclical.

 

[Trajan]

example- Chinese military communications ability,from networking to chips to fiber was enhanced by orders of magnitude when?

 

[Sallow]

Every time I see these "ZOMG TEH BADGUYZE HAZ TEH KILLZR STUFF NAO" posts I get a chuckle.

Since one ape beat another with a stick (and the next ape to be beaten with a stick wore a coconut as a helmet) warfare has always been about the offense getting some new toy, and the defense figuring out away to make it worthless (or in reverse.) Mines were supposed to make naval warfare impossible, until they made minesweepers. Torpedoes were to render battleships obsolete, until they made torpedo boat destroyers. Tanks were supposed to make infantry useless, until they made anti-tank weapons, anti-tank weapons were supposed to spell the end of tanks, until they made better armor.

Its all cyclical.

Well yeah..

Which basically scuttles the OP pretty nicely.

 

[uscitizen]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

 

[kiwiman127]

Hmmm,,,The US spends 650 billion annually on defense, China spends around 100 billion annually.
While the US has troops and miltiary resources spread around the world protecting it's "interests", China develops a new weapon. Seems to me that the US isn't using that $650 billion annually very well.
So what is the US going to do? Add more billions in spending? The US already spends more money on defense than the rest of the world combined. And then there's the fact that the US is the world's biggest debtor.
The USSR went down because of the 40 year expensive Arms Race. Now the US is in an Arms Race with itself and it's not managing that to well per example of China's new toy.
Maybe our Defense Department needs new focuses and learn use funding more properly?

 

[Sallow]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

I love how you try to absolve the Jackass Congress of the last 3 years, kinda shits on your argument right there.

While I've been busy pwning your oblivious lefty comrades, I've been watching you, and I gotta say.......

You parrot nothing but Bush Derangement Syndrome, and DNC talkin points, your "blame Bush" tactics are played out.

Get a brain, or stay outta my threads. You make em look reeeal bad.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Righteous your avatar is hilarious!

LOL you JUST NOW noticing?

Thanks tho, so true too. I love his facial "expression" he looks like the fuckin Down Syndrome baby lmao.

 

[Sallow]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

I love how you try to absolve the Jackass Congress of the last 3 years, kinda shits on your argument right there.

While I've been busy pwning your oblivious lefty comrades, I've been watching you, and I gotta say.......

You parrot nothing but Bush Derangement Syndrome, and DNC talkin points, your "blame Bush" tactics are played out.

Get a brain, or stay outta my threads. You make em look reeeal bad.

Naw..you do just fine on your lonesome..

 

[uscitizen]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

Like iPhones and our computers?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Every time I see these "ZOMG TEH BADGUYZE HAZ TEH KILLZR STUFF NAO" posts I get a chuckle.

Since one ape beat another with a stick (and the next ape to be beaten with a stick wore a coconut as a helmet) warfare has always been about the offense getting some new toy, and the defense figuring out away to make it worthless (or in reverse.) Mines were supposed to make naval warfare impossible, until they made minesweepers. Torpedoes were to render battleships obsolete, until they made torpedo boat destroyers. Tanks were supposed to make infantry useless, until they made anti-tank weapons, anti-tank weapons were supposed to spell the end of tanks, until they made better armor.

Its all cyclical.

Then I highly look forward to the Obama admin's tough, hastened, R&D of said counter tech. that you have no doubt will immediately be deployed by this tough, no nonsense, cut throat admin.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................anytime now.............................................................................................

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

I love how you try to absolve the Jackass Congress of the last 3 years, kinda shits on your argument right there.

While I've been busy pwning your oblivious lefty comrades, I've been watching you, and I gotta say.......

You parrot nothing but Bush Derangement Syndrome, and DNC talkin points, your "blame Bush" tactics are played out.

Get a brain, or stay outta my threads. You make em look reeeal bad.

Naw..you do just fine on your lonesome..

Pwning you and your ilk? Thanks, I know, it's why I have teh belt. Step your game up and maybe you can earn your way off it one day.

 

[rdean]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

Republican investment will make sure of it.

 

[zzzz]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

 

[martybegan]

Hmmm,,,The US spends 650 billion annually on defense, China spends around 100 billion annually.
While the US has troops and miltiary resources spread around the world protecting it's "interests", China develops a new weapon. Seems to me that the US isn't using that $650 billion annually very well.
So what is the US going to do? Add more billions in spending? The US already spends more money on defense than the rest of the world combined. And then there's the fact that the US is the world's biggest debtor.
The USSR went down because of the 40 year expensive Arms Race. Now the US is in an Arms Race with itself and it's not managing that to well per example of China's new toy.
Maybe our Defense Department needs new focuses and learn use funding more properly?

The numbers are often decieving, as China avoids labor costs by conscripting most of its soldiers and paying them absolute crap. We pay our people well, and that costs $$.

An additonal cost is that the american way of warfare is very material intensive, but designed to limit casualties. A chinese generals approach to an attack would be to overwhelm it with numbers. An americans approach would be to bomb it, hit it with rockets, then tube artillery, then tanks, then bomb it again, and finally send some infantrymen to see if anything is left.

 

[rdean]

I love how you try to absolve the Jackass Congress of the last 3 years, kinda shits on your argument right there.

While I've been busy pwning your oblivious lefty comrades, I've been watching you, and I gotta say.......

You parrot nothing but Bush Derangement Syndrome, and DNC talkin points, your "blame Bush" tactics are played out.

Get a brain, or stay outta my threads. You make em look reeeal bad.

Naw..you do just fine on your lonesome..

Pwning you and your ilk? Thanks, I know, it's why I have teh belt. Step your game up and maybe you can earn your way off it one day.

From 2001 to 2008, millions of American jobs were moved to China. A country of rice farmers living in rice paddies. To build American factories costs billions and billions of dollars over years. Where do you think that came from? Don't be such a dumbass. Think of my posts as "teaching moments".

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...or-gop-how-to-outsource-us-jobs-to-china.html

 

[kiwiman127]

Hmmm,,,The US spends 650 billion annually on defense, China spends around 100 billion annually.
While the US has troops and miltiary resources spread around the world protecting it's "interests", China develops a new weapon. Seems to me that the US isn't using that $650 billion annually very well.
So what is the US going to do? Add more billions in spending? The US already spends more money on defense than the rest of the world combined. And then there's the fact that the US is the world's biggest debtor.
The USSR went down because of the 40 year expensive Arms Race. Now the US is in an Arms Race with itself and it's not managing that to well per example of China's new toy.
Maybe our Defense Department needs new focuses and learn use funding more properly?

The numbers are often decieving, as China avoids labor costs by conscripting most of its soldiers and paying them absolute crap. We pay our people well, and that costs $$.
An additonal cost is that the american way of warfare is very material intensive, but designed to limit casualties. A chinese generals approach to an attack would be to overwhelm it with numbers. An americans approach would be to bomb it, hit it with rockets, then tube artillery, then tanks, then bomb it again, and finally send some infantrymen to see if anything is left.

That's a good point,,,but it seems China is changing that too! Here's a link to an interesting article about China's approach.

Chinese military to pay cash bonuses to keep officers
Chinese military to pay cash bonuses to keep officers - Asia, World - The Independent

Regarding your second point,,,unlike the US, China isn't active in any wars so it's hard to surmise their current approach. And as you point out, the US practices overkill. As the link article points out China is going for the more technical approach for a military encounter.