China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

And we have to stop them.

 

[kiwiman127]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

And we have to stop them.

And your solution for stopping the Chinese?

 

[Sallow]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

Not exactly.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Those of you that know me from other forums know that I have been saying this for years - China is the greatest threat to American power than the rest of the world put together.
China has the patience of a saint. They would think nothing of developing a 100 year plan to dominate the world. It wouldn't bother a typical Chinese leader for a second if he never sees the benefit of his lifes work in his lifetime.
Americans on the other hand have zero patience. We actually have "negative" pateince, it doesn't bother a typical American leader for a second knowing he/she is hurting the future to solve an issue today.

 

[uscitizen]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

And we have to stop them.

Why?

 

[Wry Catcher]

What will Obama do? Likely NOTHING. Perhaps negotiate a new Suicide Time Again Regression Treaty.......


China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

"An analogy using a Western term would be 'initial operational capability (IOC),' whereby I think China would perceive that it has an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it," Adm. Willard told the Asahi Shimbun. "I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC."

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times

Be scared. Be very very scared. And don't forget to hate the Chinese (they're not white people).
We need more weapons, bigger nukes, more nukes, small nukes too. Because they're out to get us. The Russians too, and don't forget the Muslims, Arabs, North Koreans and Iranians. Be scared. Hate. Remember, being scared and hating others will make you free.

 

[uscitizen]

Could this being brought up have anything at all to do with possible upcoming military cuts?

Be fearful tools people, be fearful tools serving others.

 

[Sallow]

Those of you that know me from other forums know that I have been saying this for years - China is the greatest threat to American power than the rest of the world put together.
China has the patience of a saint. They would think nothing of developing a 100 year plan to dominate the world. It wouldn't bother a typical Chinese leader for a second if he never sees the benefit of his lifes work in his lifetime.
Americans on the other hand have zero patience. We actually have "negative" pateince, it doesn't bother a typical American leader for a second knowing he/she is hurting the future to solve an issue today.

 

[Trajan]

Naw..you do just fine on your lonesome..

Pwning you and your ilk? Thanks, I know, it's why I have teh belt. Step your game up and maybe you can earn your way off it one day.

From 2001 to 2008, millions of American jobs were moved to China. A country of rice farmers living in rice paddies. To build American factories costs billions and billions of dollars over years. Where do you think that came from? Don't be such a dumbass. Think of my posts as "teaching moments".

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...or-gop-how-to-outsource-us-jobs-to-china.html

please describe the corollary to the topic?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

China is becoming a regional superpower in order to secure Taiwan. That is the main focus of everything they do. From Korea to building thier economic might they are building a foundation to run the USA out of southeast Asia in the next 20 years. After that maybe the world but for right now their main focus is getting back what they percieve is theirs.

And we have to stop them.

And your solution for stopping the Chinese?

......Seriously?

Use your damn head. We have pledged to defend Taiwan against immoral, unwarranted, Chi-com military aggression.

The Chi-coms have pledged to retake Taiwan BY FORCE if it doesn't come back on it's own.

Now THINK....................................................

 

[Sallow]

Pwning you and your ilk? Thanks, I know, it's why I have teh belt. Step your game up and maybe you can earn your way off it one day.

From 2001 to 2008, millions of American jobs were moved to China. A country of rice farmers living in rice paddies. To build American factories costs billions and billions of dollars over years. Where do you think that came from? Don't be such a dumbass. Think of my posts as "teaching moments".

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...or-gop-how-to-outsource-us-jobs-to-china.html

please describe the corollary to the topic?

The "corollary" is yet another reason to piss and moan about how republicans are shipping jobs to China.

Screw that it has zero to do with the topic.

 

[Sallow]

And we have to stop them.

And your solution for stopping the Chinese?

......Seriously?

Use your damn head. We have pledged to defend Taiwan against immoral, unwarranted, Chi-com military aggression.

The Chi-coms have pledged to retake Taiwan BY FORCE if it doesn't come back on it's own.

Now THINK....................................................

To funnah!

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

And your solution for stopping the Chinese?

......Seriously?

Use your damn head. We have pledged to defend Taiwan against immoral, unwarranted, Chi-com military aggression.

The Chi-coms have pledged to retake Taiwan BY FORCE if it doesn't come back on it's own.

Now THINK....................................................

To funnah!

Your lack of an even semi-intelligent retort? I do agree.

You might wanna put your lil thinkin cap on too............seriously.............

 

[Intense]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

You are so right RD! I bet Bush did it!!! No Wait......


Bernard Schwartz, chief executive officer of Loral Space & Communications, tells The New York Times he considers President Clinton a friend, "but not the kind of friend that you can call upon for favors."
We're supposed to believe that Schwartz invested $1.3 million in Clinton's political campaigns without the expectation of special treatment. If that's true, you would expect Loral stockholders to demand an explanation for such reckless disregard of their interests. I doubt you'll see such a move. Because Loral got plenty of bang for its buck.

"I can say absolutely, categorically, I have never spoken with the president about any Loral business, except on one occasion," he says. Notice the careful wording of that statement. Never ... except on one occasion. Furthermore, it's clear Schwartz and his company did ask the president and his administration for favors -- for special treatment -- on more than one occasion.

Last February, Schwartz needed a quick decision from the government about the launching of a Loral satellite aboard a Chinese rocket later that month. Within two weeks the president gave Loral permission -- overruling the advice of his Justice Department, which was investigating Loral's satellite deals with China. Clinton also broke with past policy and the advice of his State Department and Pentagon.

When was the last time you got an answer -- any answer -- from the federal government in less than two weeks? This was a big favor -- a huge one. By working with the Chinese, instead of U.S. satellite launchers, the deal saved Loral potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.

Nevertheless, Schwartz maintains he never personally asked the president for anything that would benefit his company. These are lawyerly word games -- the kind America has become accustomed to since this administration came to power.

This was just the most recent favor. In 1994, Schwartz pushed hard for a seat on a trip to China led by Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. The trip paid off in spades for Loral. A meeting in Beijing with a top official led to Loral winning a deal to provide cellular telephone service to China, an agreement that will soon be worth $250 million annually.

Later, in May 1996, Schwartz wrote to Clinton urging him make the Commerce Department the clearing house for approval of export licensing of commercial satellites rather than the State Department. Once again, Schwartz got his way.

But still, we're supposed to believe that Clinton would have made the same decisions with the same timing had Schwartz not been the single biggest donor to the his political career. For Pete's sake, last year Clinton even threw Schwartz a birthday party at the White House.

None of this stuff is really new or particularly earth-shaking, however. Money has always been linked to political influence. No matter what kinds of campaign finance reforms America adopts, it simply seems to get worse. But the real horror, the real crime, the real treachery of the Clinton-Loral-China axis comes in the substance of the deals with China -- the dirty little details about technology transferred to China because of this political patronage.

This is a scandal unlike any other in American history. Clinton and Schwartz have nothing on Benedict Arnold. The sensitive technical data shared with the Chinese for simple greed and power has apparently enhanced the reliability of Beijing's long-range nuclear missiles -- missiles, by the way, targeted at the United States.

The Clinton-Loral-China axis

 

[Sallow]

......Seriously?

Use your damn head. We have pledged to defend Taiwan against immoral, unwarranted, Chi-com military aggression.

The Chi-coms have pledged to retake Taiwan BY FORCE if it doesn't come back on it's own.

Now THINK....................................................

To funnah!

Your lack of an even semi-intelligent retort? I do agree.

You might wanna put your lil thinkin cap on too............seriously.............

If there were something intelligent to agree or disagree with..I might.

Nothing here.

Full disclosure, I was in Taipei over the summer.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What will Obama do? What did Bush do? It takes years to develop such technology. Unless you just give it to them.

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans moved millions of jobs to China. For those people to learn how to build hi tech, they needed someone to "teach" them first. That cost money.

Bush created trillions in tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. The right ALWAYS says the rich would use that money to create jobs. Well, they were right. Jobs WERE created. IN CHINA!

And the right always think they know how to negotiate. Isn't that hilarious? Trillions to rich people and not a touch, not a trace of negotiation to make sure they spend it here. Too damn hilarious. Trillions in new debt to make jobs in China. And they say they love this country. Yet they are worse than our enemies.

Here's what its made from too!

Your boy Obama moved 500,000 jobs to China last year alone

 

[kiwiman127]

And we have to stop them.

And your solution for stopping the Chinese?

......Seriously?

Use your damn head. We have pledged to defend Taiwan against immoral, unwarranted, Chi-com military aggression.

The Chi-coms have pledged to retake Taiwan BY FORCE if it doesn't come back on it's own.

Now THINK....................................................

So, this thread has gone from new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers to defending Taiwan against China's obsession with Taiwan. So you're suggesting a pre-emptive strike on China because they developed an anti-ship missile. Correct?

 

[MikeK]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

It's originally a Russian development. The technology was sold to Iran, which in turn sold it to China. It is a fearsome, ship-killing missile for which there is no available countermeasure.

It's called the Sunburn and is not new but has been around for several years. What makes it so dangerous is it flies faster than the speed of sound, carries an enormous payload (powerful enough to sink a carrier) and it follows a sensor-maintained flight path no higher than six feet above the surface of the water, which makes it undetectable by conventional radar. And it costs less than a low-grade fighter plane to produce.

We'd better hope that a countermeasure for this weapon is developed soon, because it conceivably could render our Naval warfare capability totally useless.

 

[Trajan]

I thought it was a high- fly plunger...?

 

[Sallow]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

It's originally a Russian development. The technology was sold to Iran, which in turn sold it to China. It is a fearsome, ship-killing missile for which there is no available countermeasure.

It's called the Sunburn and is not new but has been around for several years. What makes it so dangerous is it flies faster than the speed of sound, carries an enormous payload (powerful enough to sink a carrier) and it follows a sensor-maintained flight path no higher than six feet above the surface of the water, which makes it undetectable by conventional radar. And it costs less than a low-grade fighter plane to produce.

We'd better hope that a countermeasure for this weapon is developed soon, because it conceivably could render our Naval warfare capability totally useless.

While it's probably a problem..I am reasonably sure counter measures are being worked on as we speak.

And while the Russians make some pretty good gear..most of it pale in comparison to American made gear.