Carville: Carville: A Supreme Court loss will help Democrats

[Si modo]

And why Kagan didn't recuse herself as she was Obama's SG arguing this crap is beyond me...

Possibly, she's just fundamentally dishonest?

Obvious poster is poster.

Under O, there are not three separate branches.

What a shame he is.

 

[Mac1958]

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So, to get back to the original point of the thread - I keep seeing some Democrats say that losing Obamacare could benefit the Dems, and the only reason I'm seeing is that voters will consider the Supreme Court's decision as a purely partisan move.

Is that it, or has anyone seen any other reasons the Dems should be optimistic?

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[AmericanFirst]

Most people are saying that obama will use a loss to attack the Supreme Court and ask for 4 more years so he could appoint new Justices.

Except for one thing. The health care bill was hugely, hugely unpopular. If obama says that if he gets four more years he'd pack the court, that may be a signal to a lot of people to vote against him.

He already looks like he's going to blame their lawyer for the loss. As much responsiblity as he's run from so far, this might be the last straw.

Typical, blame everyone else except the fact it was a bad bill pushed through, un-consitutionally, against popular opinion.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Leaving the severability clause out was deliberate if I recall. It was a way to keep the bill from being dismantled piece by piece.

Precisely. And I think the Justices see it for what it is.

They won't even read it, nor should they be expected to read it.

Scalia Likens Reading Obamacare to Cruel and Unusual Punishment | Washington Free Beacon

Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia humorously invoked the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids cruel and unusual punishments, when discussing the Obamacare legislation during oral argument today at the Supreme Court.

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to — to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

MR. KNEEDLER: Well -

Nope they are going to throw it all out.

Funny how the dimwits didn't want anyone to read it in congress before they passed it and now they change their tune? Tells me one thing, this law is bad for the country. By the way, where are th usuall dimwited idiots to defend obamacare at?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Sure. Scalia and Co. are talking what's good or bad, not what's legal. Bought off a-holes, a Pub disgrace.

What we're getting now is blaring propaganda from the Pub Propaganda Machine, and whining from the cowardly corporate media. We'll see what Kennedy decides, The rest is bought off bullshytte for the dupes, who are incredibly stupid and misled.

Nice to see that an idiot from the socialist lying left has shown up to spread lies. Lefties are the bought idiots, idiot.

 

[AmericanFirst]

half the people against ocare want more, single payer. You are sorely misled, and so are they. Waiting another 20 years is insanity.

liar liar liar!!!!!

 

[The T]

Precisely. And I think the Justices see it for what it is.

They won't even read it, nor should they be expected to read it.

Scalia Likens Reading Obamacare to Cruel and Unusual Punishment | Washington Free Beacon

Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia humorously invoked the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids cruel and unusual punishments, when discussing the Obamacare legislation during oral argument today at the Supreme Court.

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to — to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

MR. KNEEDLER: Well -

Nope they are going to throw it all out.

Funny how the dimwits didn't want anyone to read it in congress before they passed it and now they change their tune? Tells me one thing, this law is bad for the country. By the way, where are th usuall dimwited idiots to defend obamacare at?

They must be aghast that the court balked at taking on the task that the Congress refused to do before passage?

 

[AmericanFirst]

People who don't want to get affordable, guaranteed health care are freeloaders...and morons. Pub dupes. We'll see what Kennedy says.

Not at our expense. My 26 year old better be working on her own and off my ins. Trust me, she will be off my ins., I don't care what the idiot lefties think. Socialist bastards.

 

[AmericanFirst]

They won't even read it, nor should they be expected to read it.

Scalia Likens Reading Obamacare to Cruel and Unusual Punishment | Washington Free Beacon

Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia humorously invoked the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids cruel and unusual punishments, when discussing the Obamacare legislation during oral argument today at the Supreme Court.

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to — to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

MR. KNEEDLER: Well -

Nope they are going to throw it all out.

Funny how the dimwits didn't want anyone to read it in congress before they passed it and now they change their tune? Tells me one thing, this law is bad for the country. By the way, where are th usuall dimwited idiots to defend obamacare at?

They must be aghast that the court balked at taking on the task that the Congress refused to do before passage?

Why does it always surprise them when they see that most Americans are smarter than they are?

 

[The T]

Funny how the dimwits didn't want anyone to read it in congress before they passed it and now they change their tune? Tells me one thing, this law is bad for the country. By the way, where are th usuall dimwited idiots to defend obamacare at?

They must be aghast that the court balked at taking on the task that the Congress refused to do before passage?

Why does it always surprise them when they see that most Americans are smarter than they are?

Thier sheer arrogance blinds them to the fact that we can vote thier asses out.

 

[freedombecki]

Colonel CueBall Speaks....telegraphs Democrat plans.

(CNN) - While the Obama administration fights to protect the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, Democratic strategist and CNN contributor James Carville said a Supreme Court overruling may not be such a bad thing for the president, politically.

"I think this will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Democratic Party," Carville said Tuesday on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer."

He added: "You know, what the Democrats are going to say, and it is completely justified, 'We tried, we did something, go see a 5-4 Supreme Court majority'."

LINK With Video

So Carville and the spin room plan to take their party's unconstitutional legislative fiasco, add it to their prepoisoned well the last time they did something stupid, and it all comes out to blame Boooooooooooooosh.

Idiots.

 

[AmericanFirst]

IF the Madate is found unConstitutional? (That is the funding mechanism for Ocare...), then the Statist Democrats will still run with it and it's Medicare for everyone. Single-Payer. /Story.

Watch them try it.

It will work.

Only because fools will believe their socialist lies.

 

[The T]

Colonel CueBall Speaks....telegraphs Democrat plans.

(CNN) - While the Obama administration fights to protect the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, Democratic strategist and CNN contributor James Carville said a Supreme Court overruling may not be such a bad thing for the president, politically.

"I think this will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Democratic Party," Carville said Tuesday on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer."

He added: "You know, what the Democrats are going to say, and it is completely justified, 'We tried, we did something, go see a 5-4 Supreme Court majority'."

LINK With Video

So Carville and the spin room plan to take their party's unconstitutional legislative fiasco, add it to their prepoisoned well the last time they did something stupid, and it all comes out to blame Boooooooooooooosh.

Idiots.

We'll add it to our list and be vigilant to be on the lookout for it when they think it's time to unleash it. Some of us tend to remember these things, and we are thier bane.

 

[freedombecki]

Hey T........go check out DRUDGE right now bro...................

This sorta sums it up for the k00ks....................

Check out the headlines............a fucking hoot and a half.

Love it...as it should be...

Justices poised to strike down entire healthcare law

The link: Yay!!!!!

 

[freedombecki]

Colonel CueBall Speaks....telegraphs Democrat plans.



LINK With Video

So Carville and the spin room plan to take their party's unconstitutional legislative fiasco, add it to their prepoisoned well the last time they did something stupid, and it all comes out to blame Boooooooooooooosh.

Idiots.

We'll add it to our list and be vigilant to be on the lookout for it when they think it's time to unleash it. Some of us tend to remember these things, and we are thier bane.

Indeed, we are.

 

[freedombecki]

Most people are saying that obama will use a loss to attack the Supreme Court and ask for 4 more years so he could appoint new Justices.

Except for one thing. The health care bill was hugely, hugely unpopular. If obama says that if he gets four more years he'd pack the court, that may be a signal to a lot of people to vote against him.

He already looks like he's going to blame their lawyer for the loss. As much responsiblity as he's run from so far, this might be the last straw.

Poor Demmies. Their House of Cards is falling down.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

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So, to get back to the original point of the thread - I keep seeing some Democrats say that losing Obamacare could benefit the Dems, and the only reason I'm seeing is that voters will consider the Supreme Court's decision as a purely partisan move.

Is that it, or has anyone seen any other reasons the Dems should be optimistic?

I remember hearing this predicted....early in the health-care legislation fight.....that if Obama's plan was "shot-down" (permanently), all that'd be needed would be ONE STATE to go the Saskatchewan-route....and, the end-result would be pretty-much the same as CANADA.....'cause it WORKS!!!


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Vermont;
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[Ernie S.]

What kind of spin will the Dem's have if the Court votes 9-0 on the mandate?

THey'll never get that. Sotomayor, Kagan and Ginsberg will never go against their party and the fact that Kagan helped WRITE the argument for the government to defend this legislation.... well, no. The best we can hope for is a 6-3 I think.

I find it funny that there is a rumor out there that the law will be found constitutional by 6-3 because some radicals think Kennedy will go for it, and then Roberts in an effort to limit it's damage will vote for it so he can write the Majority Opinion and add a limiting clause to it.

I find this massively dubious and desperate straw clinging. I'm still under the impression it's going to be a near party line '5-4' vote with Kennedy going for unconstitutionality because the power grab is so big it will give him agida.

And why Kagan didn't recuse herself as she was Obama's SG arguing this crap is beyond me...

You may see Kagen still recuse herself from the final decision. She cannot maintain credibility voting against a bill she promoted nor voting for a bill 6, maybe 7 other justiced decide to scrap.
If it goes 5-4 she'll likely not recuse, 6-3, it's a toss up and 7-2 will likely end up 7-1. That could be interesting too... Sotomayor could bale on barry too, making it 8-0

 

[JimH52]

I agree with Carville. The Dems will be the benefitiary of a Supreme Court loss. The GOP will be seen for what they are, which is a party that says, "If you can pay for Health Carem you can have it."

They are and will always be a party that caters to the rich and affluent. At least the Dems tried to gain a HC system for all, and with the backing of the GOP, it was throddled. The stories of mysery that this will cause will begin soon. Obama wins big in November.

 

[freedombecki]

Most people are saying that obama will use a loss to attack the Supreme Court and ask for 4 more years so he could appoint new Justices.

Except for one thing. The health care bill was hugely, hugely unpopular. If obama says that if he gets four more years he'd pack the court, that may be a signal to a lot of people to vote against him.

He already looks like he's going to blame their lawyer for the loss. As much responsiblity as he's run from so far, this might be the last straw.

We'll see. If it is in it's entirety struck down due to 'severability'...

Obamacare suffers a severability trainwreck at the Supreme Court

I agree with the majority that the whole enchilada should go back to the boiler room.

The problem with the law was its length and precocious push through by airhead Nancy Pelosi offends the eighth amendment of not doing cruel and unusual punishment to people who have to read the damn thing!

Of course, that was said in jest, but that is soooooooooooo truly undeniable it's as good a reason as it gets !!!