Capitalists are warmongers - France now withdrawing from Afg

[Newby]

Of course I copied it from somewhere else .. erred by not posting the link as I always do.

The Vietnamese use elements of capitalism .. but they are far from being a capitalist society.

There are good arguments for some elements of capitalism. My argument is against unfettered capitalism .. when the plutocracy takes over your government .. an argument I've made many times.

If nothing I say makes sense to you .. that doesn't matter. Perhaps you can find justification for the Vietnam War or can demonstrate the evil of the domino effect.

Perhaps you can even demonstrate how capitalists are not warmongers.

Wonder what stops you.

The Vietnam War is history, you really need to move on. Is your argument really that only capitalists are war mongers? Since you seem to be such a fan of history, one would think you would know better than to come to that conclusion.

I don't need to do anything but what I want to post. Vietnam is not the only argument I've made .. and for a modern-day illustration of the warmongering of the capitalist West, look no further than Libya. That piracy was so blatant that the rest of the world has reacted .. which includes France and the ousting of its warmonger-in-chief Sarkozy .. and includes the muting of NATO and its inability to gather forces to attack Syria.

Currently, we are droning planet earth looking for ghosts and attacking Pakistan and Africa .. with Iran next on the bullseye.

I challenge you to counter my conclusions. I'm thinking you're an intelligent poster.

Again, capitalism has been around for what, 150 years, the industrial age is even younger than that? Are you saying wars didn't occur until capitalism was on the scene? Are you saying if it had never come about, there wouldn't have been any wars for the past 150 years?

You're living in a self made bubble, where only the things you deem relevant have any importance, and it skews your point of view.

 

[Mr.Nick]

That may not be far from the truth brother .. however, that wasn't the NG task.

Lots an lots of young people today who do not use Noxema or any skin toner, yet have beautiful skin.

Yea, I know. I was just being self indulgent and digging for intrigue, tbh. Frivolous "how's the weather" dialogue disgusts me sometimes.

:0) I feel ya' brother .. but this topic will reverberate around the world.

Time to end the capitalist war on human life.

Ever hear of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler etc????

 

[California Girl]

Maybe they'll do what capitalists do and go start a war somewhere and mass-murder innocent people for profit.

But I doubt it.

I suppose you hate communists as well then since they're the leader when it comes to war and mass murder of innocent people? So, since capitalism and communism are out, what do you promote in place of them?

I'm a socialist .. which means "people first" .. which is what France is attempting.

Hollande's declaration of withdrawal from Afghanistan is a glaring example.

So move to France... there'll be plenty of room... since the wealthy French are abandoning the country.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'm a socialist .. which means "people first"

Horseshit. Damn near gave me a spit take saying that lie.

Socialism means collective over individual. All for the good of the group, nothing for the single person. So don't hand us that pile of shit and say you're for People.

 

[Big Fitz]

Yea, I know. I was just being self indulgent and digging for intrigue, tbh. Frivolous "how's the weather" dialogue disgusts me sometimes.

:0) I feel ya' brother .. but this topic will reverberate around the world.

Time to end the capitalist war on human life.

Ever hear of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler etc????

At least all but Castro on that list are dead. Castro soon will be if they're not faking him being alive. Rapidly followed by Chavez I hope.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Your age explains quite a bit. And congrats, another black american that 'the man' and racism didn't keep down. Be careful, you're blowing the myth that black americans can't succeed in the U.S. because it's just too racist.

You're blowing the myth that black people even claim that.

Is the US racist?

Absolutely.

African-Americans have been in this country since 1619 .. and have only been relatively free for 48 years.

Math is a wonderful thing.

Some black people do still claim it, in spite of a black american president.

So, you're not 'free' yet, yet you have a good education, a successful career, the American dream, own your own business, etc... I'm sure your children and grandchildren have the same, if not better, opportunities than their white counterparts. There are also quite a few racist black folk as well, it does go both ways. And in addition to that it's to many so called 'black leaders' benefit to keep racism alive, isn't it? And that's why they do so.

And again, history is your friend, slavery has been around since the beginning of man on Earth, and skin color for the majority of man's existence didn't have anything to do with who was enslaved. Look at it honestly instead of thru the tunnel of american slavery over the last two centuries.

I appreciate your perspective .. even though I don't agree with it.

"Some people" will claim anything .. but that doesn't make that anything else but some people.

A black American president is just symbolism. It hasn't changed the character of this nation.

I am relatively free and I accomplish in spite of the challenges.

If you require any background, SEE: the war on drugs .. which is essentially a war on black people. Whites are the OVERWHELMING users of illegal drugs BY FAR. Reconcile that with the history and records of arrests, sentencing, and probation. This is an issue that has been studied and documented up the ass. To suggest that race wasn't a major factor would be asinine.

Race is a reality in the US. That's what I teach my children. It has better prepared them for the challenges they face,

There is no such thing as a color-blind society .. nor should there ever be. We should seek diversity, not tolerance.

 

[KevinWestern]

Your age explains quite a bit. And congrats, another black american that 'the man' and racism didn't keep down. Be careful, you're blowing the myth that black americans can't succeed in the U.S. because it's just too racist.

You're blowing the myth that black people even claim that.

Is the US racist?

Absolutely.

African-Americans have been in this country since 1619 .. and have only been relatively free for 48 years.

Math is a wonderful thing.

Some black people do still claim it, in spite of a black american president.

So, you're not 'free' yet, yet you have a good education, a successful career, the American dream, own your own business, etc... I'm sure your children and grandchildren have the same, if not better, opportunities than their white counterparts. There are also quite a few racist black folk as well, it does go both ways. And in addition to that it's to many so called 'black leaders' benefit to keep racism alive, isn't it? And that's why they do so.

And again, history is your friend, slavery has been around since the beginning of man on Earth, and skin color for the majority of man's existence didn't have anything to do with who was enslaved. Look at it honestly instead of thru the tunnel of american slavery over the last two centuries.

Has white racism towards blacks faded since the 1960's? Without a doubt, and it will continue to fade with each new generation in America.

I think the boomers have done a good job teaching their children not to hate others based on the color of someone's skin. And their kids will do an even better job with the next generation, so on and so forth.

However, racism without a doubt still exists in a very real way in America these days, and cannot be discounted.

You have to take into consideration that many of America's root social norms, hierarchies were created and set in place during the days of slavery. We may have abolished slavery in the mid 1860's, but those negative societal norms remained standing for many, many years. Some of those norms were torn down during the civil rights movement; however many of them still remain, sort of in the shadows. Racism - especially in the workplace - may not be as overt as it was once, but exists nonetheless.

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[KevinWestern]

Again, capitalism has been around for what, 150 years, the industrial age is even younger than that? Are you saying wars didn't occur until capitalism was on the scene? Are you saying if it had never come about, there wouldn't have been any wars for the past 150 years?

You're living in a self made bubble, where only the things you deem relevant have any importance, and it skews your point of view.

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but I think capitalism has been around for much longer than just 150 years.


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[Newby]

You're blowing the myth that black people even claim that.

Is the US racist?

Absolutely.

African-Americans have been in this country since 1619 .. and have only been relatively free for 48 years.

Math is a wonderful thing.

Some black people do still claim it, in spite of a black american president.

So, you're not 'free' yet, yet you have a good education, a successful career, the American dream, own your own business, etc... I'm sure your children and grandchildren have the same, if not better, opportunities than their white counterparts. There are also quite a few racist black folk as well, it does go both ways. And in addition to that it's to many so called 'black leaders' benefit to keep racism alive, isn't it? And that's why they do so.

And again, history is your friend, slavery has been around since the beginning of man on Earth, and skin color for the majority of man's existence didn't have anything to do with who was enslaved. Look at it honestly instead of thru the tunnel of american slavery over the last two centuries.

I appreciate your perspective .. even though I don't agree with it.

"Some people" will claim anything .. but that doesn't make that anything else but some people.

A black American president is just symbolism. It hasn't changed the character of this nation.

I am relatively free and I accomplish in spite of the challenges.

If you require any background, SEE: the war on drugs .. which is essentially a war on black people. Whites are the OVERWHELMING users of illegal drugs BY FAR. Reconcile that with the history and records of arrests, sentencing, and probation. This is an issue that has been studied and documented up the ass. To suggest that race wasn't a major factor would be asinine.

Race is a reality in the US. That's what I teach my children. It has better prepared them for the challenges they face,

There is no such thing as a color-blind society .. nor should there ever be. We should seek diversity, not tolerance.

It sounds like you are racist, and it's sad that you're passing that onto your children.

 

[Newby]

Again, capitalism has been around for what, 150 years, the industrial age is even younger than that? Are you saying wars didn't occur until capitalism was on the scene? Are you saying if it had never come about, there wouldn't have been any wars for the past 150 years?

You're living in a self made bubble, where only the things you deem relevant have any importance, and it skews your point of view.

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but I think capitalism has been around for much longer than just 150 years.


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Not as the basis for an entire nation and economy, along with the concept of idividual freedom, liberty and rights. America is the first such of its kind. What would you consider to be the ancestor of today's capitalism?

 

[Mr.Nick]

:0) I feel ya' brother .. but this topic will reverberate around the world.

Time to end the capitalist war on human life.

Ever hear of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler etc????

At least all but Castro on that list are dead. Castro soon will be if they're not faking him being alive. Rapidly followed by Chavez I hope.

I think its funny how socialists claim they're for the people when socialists are guilty of atrocities such as genocide...

I've never seen a capitalist society cull or purge their own.

I've never heard of a capitalist nation invade another nation with the intent of stealing their resources..

The idea that socialism is a "utopia" is nothing more than a farce.

Socialism is oppressive, brutal and nothing more than a failed experiment.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I suppose you hate communists as well then since they're the leader when it comes to war and mass murder of innocent people? So, since capitalism and communism are out, what do you promote in place of them?

I'm a socialist .. which means "people first" .. which is what France is attempting.

Hollande's declaration of withdrawal from Afghanistan is a glaring example.

So move to France... there'll be plenty of room... since the wealthy French are abandoning the country.

How about I do whatever I want to do?

For the rich leaving France .. :0) exactly where are they moving to?

Answer: To LONDON

France has the ability to recover from their loss. That ability and that strength lies in its people .. something Americans used to believe in. "We the People" .. not we the rich.

When did the rich become gods?

 

[Newby]

I'm a socialist .. which means "people first" .. which is what France is attempting.

Hollande's declaration of withdrawal from Afghanistan is a glaring example.

So move to France... there'll be plenty of room... since the wealthy French are abandoning the country.

How about I do whatever I want to do?

For the rich leaving France .. :0) exactly where are they moving to?

Answer: To LONDON

France has the ability to recover from their loss. That ability and that strength lies in its people .. something Americans used to believe in. "We the People" .. not we the rich.

When did the rich become gods?

So is it a bad thing to strive for success, however you determine it, in your life? Why does everyone want to be rich if it's such a bad thing? Why do you tell others to let you 'do whatever you want to do', yet you want to restrict others and what successes they can achieve?

 

[Mr.Nick]

You're blowing the myth that black people even claim that.

Is the US racist?

Absolutely.

African-Americans have been in this country since 1619 .. and have only been relatively free for 48 years.

Math is a wonderful thing.

Some black people do still claim it, in spite of a black american president.

So, you're not 'free' yet, yet you have a good education, a successful career, the American dream, own your own business, etc... I'm sure your children and grandchildren have the same, if not better, opportunities than their white counterparts. There are also quite a few racist black folk as well, it does go both ways. And in addition to that it's to many so called 'black leaders' benefit to keep racism alive, isn't it? And that's why they do so.

And again, history is your friend, slavery has been around since the beginning of man on Earth, and skin color for the majority of man's existence didn't have anything to do with who was enslaved. Look at it honestly instead of thru the tunnel of american slavery over the last two centuries.

I appreciate your perspective .. even though I don't agree with it.

"Some people" will claim anything .. but that doesn't make that anything else but some people.

A black American president is just symbolism. It hasn't changed the character of this nation.

I am relatively free and I accomplish in spite of the challenges.

If you require any background, SEE: the war on drugs .. which is essentially a war on black people. Whites are the OVERWHELMING users of illegal drugs BY FAR. Reconcile that with the history and records of arrests, sentencing, and probation. This is an issue that has been studied and documented up the ass. To suggest that race wasn't a major factor would be asinine.

Race is a reality in the US. That's what I teach my children. It has better prepared them for the challenges they face,

There is no such thing as a color-blind society .. nor should there ever be. We should seek diversity, not tolerance.

Perhaps that's because 72% of the population is white.

I agree the war on drugs is a failure, however that war on drugs employs black drug dealers. If we ended the war on drugs ,what would these minority (or any) drug dealer do for a living??? get a job?? haha, yea right - no they will just go out and commit violent crimes.....

 

[BlindBoo]

Liberty must always be defended with blood. Liberalism on the other hand is the natural state of slaves.

:0)

What a fun site.

What "liberty" were you defending when we mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis just because we could?

What "liberty" was defended in Vietnam?

Are you still waiting on the "domino effect?" :0)

What "liberty" are we getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan for?

The ONLY liberty associated with any of those mindfuck false wars is the liberty of the military-industrial complex to rape the Treasury and the American taxpayer.

What a liar you are.

The US and its allies did not kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's.

As for Vietnam, maybe you should ask the people who fled South Vietnam in such great numbers after the North Vietnamese invasion.

Since we became involved with Iraq in 1982 not only did we help kill hundred of thousands of Iranians but also thousands of Iraqis. Then there was the effects of the sanctions that lead to the deaths of half a million children. And that was all before President Bush(43) decided that an invasion and occupation was a good idea.

To your other talking point.

In 1954, the French, having been unable to win Vietnamese popular support, which was overwhelmingly behind Ho Chi Minh and the revolutionary movement, had to withdraw.

An international assemblage at Geneva presided over the peace agreement between the French and the Vietminh. It was agreed that the French would temporarily withdraw into the southern part of Vietnam, that the Vietminh would remain in the north, and that an election would take place in two years in a unified Vietnam to enable the Vietnamese to choose their own government.

The United States moved quickly to prevent the unification and to establish South Vietnam as an American sphere. It set up in Saigon as head of the government a former Vietnamese official named Ngo Dinh Diem, who had recently been living in New Jersey, and encouraged him not to hold the scheduled elections for unification. A memo in early 1954 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said that intelligence estimates showed "a settlement based on free elections would be attended by almost certain loss of the Associated States [Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam-the three parts of Indochina created by the Geneva Conference] to Communist control." Diem again and again blocked the elections requested by the Vietminh, and with American money and arms his government became more and more firmly established. As the Pentagon Papers put it: "South Viet Nam was essentially the creation of the United States."

1945-1957: Vietnam | libcom.org

Details:

Indochina Timeline: 1945

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Ever hear of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler etc????

At least all but Castro on that list are dead. Castro soon will be if they're not faking him being alive. Rapidly followed by Chavez I hope.

I think its funny how socialists claim they're for the people when socialists are guilty of atrocities such as genocide...

I've never seen a capitalist society cull or purge their own.

I've never heard of a capitalist nation invade another nation with the intent of stealing their resources..

The idea that socialism is a "utopia" is nothing more than a farce.

Socialism is oppressive, brutal and nothing more than a failed experiment.

I guess you were on vacation on the moon when we invaded Iraq and again when Obama and Sarkozy used Al-Queda to attack Libya which threatened no one. Guess what Iraq and Libya look like now.

Libya had NO NATIONAL DEBT .. they do now.

Libya had no Rothschilds banks .. they do now.

ALL Libyan citizens benefited from their oil wealth.

They don't anymore.

Wanna compare PRE-socialist QUALITY OF LIFE Libya, Cuba, or Venezuela with what has evolved .. or are you just here for the meme?

I BET YOU DON'T

I put that in red so you won't miss it.

 

[Newby]

None of those countries are socialist, they're dictatorships where the state owns everything.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm a socialist .. which means "people first" .. which is what France is attempting.

Hollande's declaration of withdrawal from Afghanistan is a glaring example.

So move to France... there'll be plenty of room... since the wealthy French are abandoning the country.

How about I do whatever I want to do?

For the rich leaving France .. :0) exactly where are they moving to?

Answer: To LONDON

France has the ability to recover from their loss. That ability and that strength lies in its people .. something Americans used to believe in. "We the People" .. not we the rich.

When did the rich become gods?

Who cares about the rich....

It's like you progressives ignorantly believe wealth is finite..

Why don't you learn a skill thats in demand and get rich yourself??? why don't you take a gamble and invest in an idea or business you believe in???

99% of those whom are wealthy got wealthy because they took financial risks and the majority off them failed several times at it - but they kept trying...

The truth his most of the idiots who cry about the rich are too fucking cheap and cowardly to take the financial risk and invest.... No, you would rather cry and buy lotto tickets while attempting to portray yourself as victims of the wealthy...

 

[KevinWestern]

Again, capitalism has been around for what, 150 years, the industrial age is even younger than that? Are you saying wars didn't occur until capitalism was on the scene? Are you saying if it had never come about, there wouldn't have been any wars for the past 150 years?

You're living in a self made bubble, where only the things you deem relevant have any importance, and it skews your point of view.

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but I think capitalism has been around for much longer than just 150 years.


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Not as the basis for an entire nation and economy, along with the concept of idividual freedom, liberty and rights. America is the first such of its kind. What would you consider to be the ancestor of today's capitalism?

I consider a "capitalist" economy one where there are private owners who produce goods and services for profit.

As for an ancestor, I'd start with the Roman empire. They used money (instead of barter), and had private businesses that acted independently, producing for profit.

Also, what about the Capitalism manifesto "Wealth of Nations" (1776)? This was published a full 100 years or so before your "capitalism" start date...

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[BlackAsCoal]

None of those countries are socialist, they're dictatorships where the state owns everything.

I expected smarter from you.