Capitalists are warmongers - France now withdrawing from Afg

[Artevelde]

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Hopefully you don't consider any of that as evidence.

Clueless, utopian fantasists need to do their own research instead of living in the world of ignorance and denial.......................hope that helps lol

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It sure does.

The invasion of Iraq was "worth it" says Madeline Albright.

I already figured that actual reading was a bit too challenging for you.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

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Hopefully you don't consider any of that as evidence.

Clueless, utopian fantasists need to do their own research instead of living in the world of ignorance and denial.......................hope that helps lol

You gotta remember - he doesn't get out much. As the usual "sudo-socialist" living in a capitalist marvel, he is unemployed, living off of his parents still and believes everyone else is dumb.
Think Michael Moore at 19 years old.

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Given that you are what you seem .. I have no doubt that my life has been much more full, educational, prosperous and exciting than what you seem to represent.

But you can believe whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Lets see

North Vietnamese Deaths.............................1.1 million
united States...............................................68,000

And that was using congressional restraints...........Indeed , someone did get their asses kicked lol

the only ones that lost were the estimated 3 million south vietnamese and cambodians who perished at the hands of the communists from hanoi in the decade after the war............

Those folks can blame democrats for their fate......

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Why should I go away? Being faced with facts is too difficult for you?

What facts?

The domino effect happened after we got out asses kicked the fuck out of Vietnam????

You're just a guy with a typewriter who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag .. which I just proved.

Post to me when you choose. I'll play with and humiliate you when I choose .. as I just did.

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You can't back up any of your empty-headed propaganda. You really are pretty parthetic.

As for a typewriter, I haven't used a typewriter in the last 25 years, but it is true that I'm grown up enough to remember when they were around. You on the other hand seem to be totally clueless about the reality of the world.

:0) What a fun site.

The Domino Theory was first developed under the presidency of Dwight Eisenhower. It was argued that if the first domino is knocked over then the rest topple in turn. Applying this to South-east Asia Eisenhower argued that if South Vietnam was taken by communists, then the other countries in the region such as Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia, would follow.

Eisenhower’s vice-president, Richard Nixon, was a devout follower of this theory. In a speech made in December, 1953, Nixon argued “If Indochina falls, Thailand is put in an almost impossible position. The same is true of Malaya with its rubber and tin. The same is true of Indonesia. If this whole part of South East Asia goes under Communist domination or Communist influence, Japan, who trades and must trade with this area in order to exist must inevitably be oriented towards the Communist regime.”

The Domino Theory was accepted by those who followed Eisenhower: John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. It was the main justification for sending troops to Vietnam. As one Domino Theory supporter (H. W. Baldwin) said in February, 1965: “Vietnam is a nasty place to fight. But there are no neat and tidy battlefields in the struggle for freedom; there is no 'good' place to die. And it is far better to fight in Vietnam - on China's doorstep - than fight some years hence in Hawaii, on our own frontiers.”

As a result of this theory 58,183 American soldiers died in Vietnam. Vietnamese losses were far greater – more than 1.3 million soldiers and a further 4 million civilians killed or wounded. In fact, because of the use of chemical warfare, people are still dying as a result of this war. This death and destruction cost the American taxpayer $165 billion.

It is now 30 years since American troops were forced to retreat from Vietnam. Was the Domino Theory correct? Did those other countries “fall to the communists”? Are the Americans fighting the communists in Hawaii?

What happened to Vietnam after the Americans left? What is Vietnam like 30 years after becoming a united country ruled by communists?

Well, the communists are still in control. The Vietnamese people seem to be very happy with its government. Despite calling itself communist it has pursued a capitalist economy. It has an annual growth-rate of more than 7%. It had doubled gross domestic product per head since 1995. In the years following the end of the war over 85% lived in poverty. Today that figure is down to 15%.

The main way that Vietnam has done this is by encouraging foreign investment. Much of this money has come from the United States. (Ironically, the main economic reason for fighting the war was the fear that a communist Vietnam would prevent foreign investment.) In the first four months of this year foreign investment tripled to $2.1bn from the same period in 2004. Foreign investors want to use Vietnam as an export base because of its cheap, skilled labour.

The Vietnamese people have welcomed the investment of foreign capital. A recent poll in Vietnam’s Youth Magazine showed that Bill Gates was seven times more respected than any member of the Politburo of the Vietnamese Communist Party.

I wonder what the American public thinks about this situation. Do they believe their sacrifice was worthwhile?

Does anyone still believe in the Domino Theory?

The answer .. ONLY really dumb ass people.

 

[Unkotare]

Kicked the fuck out of the tiny nation of Vietnam.

Kicked the fuck out of the small nation of Iraq.

Your understanding of (even recent) history is laughable.

 

[Artevelde]

What facts?

The domino effect happened after we got out asses kicked the fuck out of Vietnam????

You're just a guy with a typewriter who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag .. which I just proved.

Post to me when you choose. I'll play with and humiliate you when I choose .. as I just did.

:9)

You can't back up any of your empty-headed propaganda. You really are pretty parthetic.

As for a typewriter, I haven't used a typewriter in the last 25 years, but it is true that I'm grown up enough to remember when they were around. You on the other hand seem to be totally clueless about the reality of the world.

:0) What a fun site.

The Domino Theory was first developed under the presidency of Dwight Eisenhower. It was argued that if the first domino is knocked over then the rest topple in turn. Applying this to South-east Asia Eisenhower argued that if South Vietnam was taken by communists, then the other countries in the region such as Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia, would follow.

Eisenhower’s vice-president, Richard Nixon, was a devout follower of this theory. In a speech made in December, 1953, Nixon argued “If Indochina falls, Thailand is put in an almost impossible position. The same is true of Malaya with its rubber and tin. The same is true of Indonesia. If this whole part of South East Asia goes under Communist domination or Communist influence, Japan, who trades and must trade with this area in order to exist must inevitably be oriented towards the Communist regime.”

The Domino Theory was accepted by those who followed Eisenhower: John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. It was the main justification for sending troops to Vietnam. As one Domino Theory supporter (H. W. Baldwin) said in February, 1965: “Vietnam is a nasty place to fight. But there are no neat and tidy battlefields in the struggle for freedom; there is no 'good' place to die. And it is far better to fight in Vietnam - on China's doorstep - than fight some years hence in Hawaii, on our own frontiers.”

As a result of this theory 58,183 American soldiers died in Vietnam. Vietnamese losses were far greater – more than 1.3 million soldiers and a further 4 million civilians killed or wounded. In fact, because of the use of chemical warfare, people are still dying as a result of this war. This death and destruction cost the American taxpayer $165 billion.

It is now 30 years since American troops were forced to retreat from Vietnam. Was the Domino Theory correct? Did those other countries “fall to the communists”? Are the Americans fighting the communists in Hawaii?

What happened to Vietnam after the Americans left? What is Vietnam like 30 years after becoming a united country ruled by communists?

Well, the communists are still in control. The Vietnamese people seem to be very happy with its government. Despite calling itself communist it has pursued a capitalist economy. It has an annual growth-rate of more than 7%. It had doubled gross domestic product per head since 1995. In the years following the end of the war over 85% lived in poverty. Today that figure is down to 15%.

The main way that Vietnam has done this is by encouraging foreign investment. Much of this money has come from the United States. (Ironically, the main economic reason for fighting the war was the fear that a communist Vietnam would prevent foreign investment.) In the first four months of this year foreign investment tripled to $2.1bn from the same period in 2004. Foreign investors want to use Vietnam as an export base because of its cheap, skilled labour.

The Vietnamese people have welcomed the investment of foreign capital. A recent poll in Vietnam’s Youth Magazine showed that Bill Gates was seven times more respected than any member of the Politburo of the Vietnamese Communist Party.

I wonder what the American public thinks about this situation. Do they believe their sacrifice was worthwhile?

Does anyone still believe in the Domino Theory?

The answer .. ONLY really dumb ass people.

I figured you supported the massmurder of the Communist regime. Sounds very much like you.

 

[Unkotare]

Billions upon billions of wasted tax payer dollars and American lives .. and CHINA, which didn't fire a single shot .. walks away with the oil contracts in Iraq .. THEN, walks away with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Billions upon billions of wasted tax payer dollars and American lives .. and CHINA, which didn't fire a single shot .. walks away with the oil contracts in Iraq .. THEN, walks away with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

Indeed, im thinking iraq owes us about a trillion dollars in free oil for the favor

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Billions upon billions of wasted tax payer dollars and American lives .. and CHINA, which didn't fire a single shot .. walks away with the oil contracts in Iraq .. THEN, walks away with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

They were right on the money. The problem for the cowboys is that John Wayne is dead.

The US tried to force Iraq into signing oil contracts that gave Bush the victory he really wanted. But they refused .. and went for the Chinese .. who opposed the war from the beginning.

We have no understanding of soft power.

 

[Unkotare]

:0) I feel ya' brother .. but this topic will reverberate around the world.

Time to end the capitalist war on human life.

Oh, another lefty circle-jerk...

.. meets a dumb ass lemming from the right who doesn't possess the intelligence nor courage to make an intelligent counter post.

:0) That's called "typical."

I guess they didn't get to the 'I's at your remedial school yet or you might understand the Irony of your comment.

 

[Unkotare]

Billions upon billions of wasted tax payer dollars and American lives .. and CHINA, which didn't fire a single shot .. walks away with the oil contracts in Iraq .. THEN, walks away with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

They were right on the money. The problem for the cowboys is that John Wayne is dead.

The US tried to force Iraq into signing oil contracts that gave Bush the victory he really wanted. But they refused .. and went for the Chinese .. who opposed the war from the beginning.

We have no understanding of soft power.

You lie and contradict yourself in the same breath. Quite a trick.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

You can't back up any of your empty-headed propaganda. You really are pretty parthetic.

As for a typewriter, I haven't used a typewriter in the last 25 years, but it is true that I'm grown up enough to remember when they were around. You on the other hand seem to be totally clueless about the reality of the world.

:0) What a fun site.

The Domino Theory was first developed under the presidency of Dwight Eisenhower. It was argued that if the first domino is knocked over then the rest topple in turn. Applying this to South-east Asia Eisenhower argued that if South Vietnam was taken by communists, then the other countries in the region such as Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia, would follow.

Eisenhower’s vice-president, Richard Nixon, was a devout follower of this theory. In a speech made in December, 1953, Nixon argued “If Indochina falls, Thailand is put in an almost impossible position. The same is true of Malaya with its rubber and tin. The same is true of Indonesia. If this whole part of South East Asia goes under Communist domination or Communist influence, Japan, who trades and must trade with this area in order to exist must inevitably be oriented towards the Communist regime.”

The Domino Theory was accepted by those who followed Eisenhower: John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. It was the main justification for sending troops to Vietnam. As one Domino Theory supporter (H. W. Baldwin) said in February, 1965: “Vietnam is a nasty place to fight. But there are no neat and tidy battlefields in the struggle for freedom; there is no 'good' place to die. And it is far better to fight in Vietnam - on China's doorstep - than fight some years hence in Hawaii, on our own frontiers.”

As a result of this theory 58,183 American soldiers died in Vietnam. Vietnamese losses were far greater – more than 1.3 million soldiers and a further 4 million civilians killed or wounded. In fact, because of the use of chemical warfare, people are still dying as a result of this war. This death and destruction cost the American taxpayer $165 billion.

It is now 30 years since American troops were forced to retreat from Vietnam. Was the Domino Theory correct? Did those other countries “fall to the communists”? Are the Americans fighting the communists in Hawaii?

What happened to Vietnam after the Americans left? What is Vietnam like 30 years after becoming a united country ruled by communists?

Well, the communists are still in control. The Vietnamese people seem to be very happy with its government. Despite calling itself communist it has pursued a capitalist economy. It has an annual growth-rate of more than 7%. It had doubled gross domestic product per head since 1995. In the years following the end of the war over 85% lived in poverty. Today that figure is down to 15%.

The main way that Vietnam has done this is by encouraging foreign investment. Much of this money has come from the United States. (Ironically, the main economic reason for fighting the war was the fear that a communist Vietnam would prevent foreign investment.) In the first four months of this year foreign investment tripled to $2.1bn from the same period in 2004. Foreign investors want to use Vietnam as an export base because of its cheap, skilled labour.

The Vietnamese people have welcomed the investment of foreign capital. A recent poll in Vietnam’s Youth Magazine showed that Bill Gates was seven times more respected than any member of the Politburo of the Vietnamese Communist Party.

I wonder what the American public thinks about this situation. Do they believe their sacrifice was worthwhile?

Does anyone still believe in the Domino Theory?

The answer .. ONLY really dumb ass people.

I figured you supported the massmurder of the Communist regime. Sounds very much like you.

I figured that you are really dumb and would run like a rabbit away from your own really ignorant claim after I spanked you with facts .. and that is exactly what you did.

:0)

Guess I figured better.

 

[Unkotare]

Billions upon billions of wasted tax payer dollars and American lives .. and CHINA, which didn't fire a single shot .. walks away with the oil contracts in Iraq .. THEN, walks away with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

Indeed, im thinking iraq owes us about a trillion dollars in free oil for the favor

If we can get a president in office who won't continue to squander what was achieved at such a high price we will end up with much more value than a trillion dollars in free oil.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

They were right on the money. The problem for the cowboys is that John Wayne is dead.

The US tried to force Iraq into signing oil contracts that gave Bush the victory he really wanted. But they refused .. and went for the Chinese .. who opposed the war from the beginning.

We have no understanding of soft power.

You lie and contradict yourself in the same breath. Quite a trick.

You're not a clown are you? :0)

Intelligent people know how to demonstrate a lie.

Are you intelligent people or are you a clown?

Demonstrate where I lied.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Clueless, utopian fantasists need to do their own research instead of living in the world of ignorance and denial.......................hope that helps lol

You gotta remember - he doesn't get out much. As the usual "sudo-socialist" living in a capitalist marvel, he is unemployed, living off of his parents still and believes everyone else is dumb.
Think Michael Moore at 19 years old.

:0)

Given that you are what you seem .. I have no doubt that my life has been much more full, educational, prosperous and exciting than what you seem to represent.

But you can believe whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

Education is respective to what your taught.
Your head is obviously filled with liberal-theory. That is the hilarious irony of the "great liberal writers"...they all have one thing in common...they never achieved anything in their whole lives except writing about what others should do.
Socialism has been around for many-many generations. Yet in all this time there is not one success story.
Course...that never deters sponge heads like you.

 

[Newby]

nothing that currently exists.

Seems to me that you might need a plan first then? You don't promote getting rid of something unless you have a plan for something better to take it's place. I get accused of being an idiot as a Christian for having faith in God, but those on the left that seem to have this 'faith', for lack of a better term, in human nature changing and not being what it is and has been since man's existance, seem far more stupid than I am. Human nature will never change, socialism and communism will never work. Capitalism and liberty have shown to be far better bets for the human condition.

Christianity has nothing to do with this.

Faith in humanity is inherent in people who are genuine people themselves.

Capitalism has not been shown to be better at anything.

All it's done is brough about a more gigantic, Catastrophic world ending event-capable army - - - - - taken people away from their family for more hours they are WITH them to support said "fantasy" of "betterment," and ruined any chance we've ever had at remaining a good and genuine people.

Instead, capitalism has dumbed everyone down via marketing (i.e. brainwashing) - leading to fatness and laziness - also - SEX SELLS, ! (BROUGHT TO YOU BY CAPITALISM) and people are as permiscuous and degenerate as ever in terms of classical morals (this part I've no big issue with) and also making sure that in order to live a humble middle class lifestyle and support a small family - you spend as little time with said family as possible and more time, you know - working to "show your love and support" for them. If you don't see the irony there - then "blah."

So, again, I ask you what your 'ideal' solution is? Everyone sits around all day with their family in peace and love? Go back to hunter/gatherer society? In order to have everything you have in the modern world, people have to work to make them. And in today's society you have the CHOICE to make your life as simple as you want it. If you don't want material things and want to spend the majority of your time with your family, if those are YOUR VALUES, you are free to live that way. Work the minimum amount of time it takes to put a roof over your head, and food on your table and don't lead a lavish lifestyle. It can and is done every day. It's when people want to live as you describe, but then expect everyone else to provide them with the means to do so, that bothers me.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

So all those stupid "Blood for Oil" bumper stickers were complete bullshit, right?

Indeed, im thinking iraq owes us about a trillion dollars in free oil for the favor

If we can get a president in office who won't continue to squander what was achieved at such a high price we will end up with much more value than a trillion dollars in free oil.

Perhaps a president with an energy policy that doesnt depend on greedy arabs, ineffecient and costly "alternatives", cafe standards, conservation and HOPE

 

[Unkotare]

Demonstrate where I lied.

You lied in claiming that the "blood for oil" talking point was "right on the money." It clearly was not. If that had been the case we would have used our obvious military advantage to take what oil we deemed proper. We did not. You lied. You are nothing but another hyper-partisan freak who thinks that shouting hyperbole is a political position. You need to shut the fuck up until you grow the fuck up, kid. You're a snot-nosed little nobody, and you will be embarrassed by this display when you are older and have at least ONE fucking clue about anything.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Seems to me that you might need a plan first then? You don't promote getting rid of something unless you have a plan for something better to take it's place. I get accused of being an idiot as a Christian for having faith in God, but those on the left that seem to have this 'faith', for lack of a better term, in human nature changing and not being what it is and has been since man's existance, seem far more stupid than I am. Human nature will never change, socialism and communism will never work. Capitalism and liberty have shown to be far better bets for the human condition.

Christianity has nothing to do with this.

Faith in humanity is inherent in people who are genuine people themselves.

Capitalism has not been shown to be better at anything.

All it's done is brough about a more gigantic, Catastrophic world ending event-capable army - - - - - taken people away from their family for more hours they are WITH them to support said "fantasy" of "betterment," and ruined any chance we've ever had at remaining a good and genuine people.

Instead, capitalism has dumbed everyone down via marketing (i.e. brainwashing) - leading to fatness and laziness - also - SEX SELLS, ! (BROUGHT TO YOU BY CAPITALISM) and people are as permiscuous and degenerate as ever in terms of classical morals (this part I've no big issue with) and also making sure that in order to live a humble middle class lifestyle and support a small family - you spend as little time with said family as possible and more time, you know - working to "show your love and support" for them. If you don't see the irony there - then "blah."

So, again, I ask you what your 'ideal' solution is? Everyone sits around all day with their family in peace and love? Go back to hunter/gatherer society? In order to have everything you have in the modern world, people have to work to make them. And in today's society you have the CHOICE to make your life as simple as you want it. If you don't want material things and want to spend the majority of your time with your family, if those are YOUR VALUES, you are free to live that way. Work the minimum amount of time it takes to put a roof over your head, and food on your table and don't lead a lavish lifestyle. It can and is done every day. It's when people want to live as you describe, but then expect everyone else to provide them with the means to do so, that bothers me.

As the Frederick Bastiat wrote in 1850 - (paraphrase) "in the course of time when the law collects a common sacrifice in the form of taxation, human nature prevails, everyone will concentrate their efforts in putting in as little as possible, and others seeking to get as much out of it."

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Demonstrate where I lied.

You lied in claiming that the "blood for oil" talking point was "right on the money." It clearly was not. If that had been the case we would have used our obvious military advantage to take what oil we deemed proper. We did not. You lied. You are nothing but another hyper-partisan freak who thinks that shouting hyperbole is a political position. You need to shut the fuck up until you grow the fuck up, kid. You're a snot-nosed little nobody, and you will be embarrassed by this display when you are older and have at least ONE fucking clue about anything.

:0)

You've quite obviously spent too much time in front of the TV.

We had NO ABILITY to take the oil. What kind of bizzarro world do you exist in?

The plan was to setup a puppet government that would give us what we wanted .. just as we did in Iran.

The plan failed.

We were dumb enough to be led into this disaster by IRAN. Chalabi was a double-agent for IRAN.

Guess who won the war? IRAN .. which is now more powerful in the region and throughout Iraq than they have ever been.

I recognize that all this goes right over the heads of the partisan knuckleheads .. but I don't post for the partisan knucklehead of either side.