Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

[Afterword]

You should of had the answers to these questions based on what I told you already.

Girl says guy raped her guy says her didn't... what then happens?

The girl and the community are justified in using self defence, during the time the victim was being raped, if it happened at all.

After the fact it usually doesn't matter. What happens, happens. You learn to adapt.

Guy beats up his wife and children what then happens?

Self defense is always justified during the actual act. Violent preventive measures are only justified with the repetition of violence.

Two drunks get in a bar fight and trash the place, what then happens?

They get kicked out. If they refuse to leave, then the victim (being the owner) is justified in defending his property.

Drunk driver runs kills an old lady in a crosswalk, what then happens?

That would be very unfortunate for the old lady.

I have seen too many good people be locked up for a bad habit. Hopefully that person would atone, and if not, then the same routines apply.

Easier management of civil conflict is provided by the state. This comes at the cost of trading in our free will and dignity. Most of the plagues in our society can be attributed to the culture that the has state created anyways. There was never a need for a system, when natural law and the human condition were always observable.

Freedom takes responsibility. This is the most honest, proud, and humane path. ​

I suspect you are just spouting nonsense for the sake of spouting nonsense, but if you were my neighbor I would relocate just to be on the safe side.

 

[Onyx]

Lots of dumb speculation and projection going on here.

But let's be honest, those who want big government most likely benefit from its use of force as primary means of attaining resources, just as slave owners did from their slaves. That's why they will lie, lie and lie some more. The democrats said society would collapse if the slaves be freed... who would pick the cotton?

Exactly.

In effect, the states only roles are appropriating resources and suppressing dissidents.

Slaves were technically safer on the plantation than they were out in the world self governing themselves. Freedom is worth the price of admission though, with the only cost being self sufficiency and self reliance.

 

[Onyx]

I suspect you are just spouting nonsense for the sake of spouting nonsense, but if you were my neighbor I would relocate just to be on the safe side.

This really comes down to whether or not you have what it takes to survive without needing to rely on others. Not necessarily that you would not have others to rely on, but that you can manage without the necessity.

If you do not believe in freedom and self sufficiency, I would not want you as my neighbor. Those are the worst kind of people in existence, and unfortunately they are in the majority.

I am sorry that you see my opposition to the state as nonsense. I hope one day you can reach enlightenment

 

[Uncensored2008]

So while you believe that SCOTUS has no power to rule on constitutionality, apparently you do believe that some small town 'Justice of the Peace' does have the power to rule on Constitutionality.

You're are a really silly person.

The fact is that the Earps were never charged. They're action were considered lawful and in keeping with Virgil's responsibilities.

It should also be noted the the fame of the gunfight at the O.K. coral is considered by the vast majority of Americans to be one of our greatest historical events...a triumph of law over lawlessness, not a historic abuse of law enforcement..

The Earps were not only charged, they stood trial. You spew shit without any knowledge behind it.

Judge Spicer was the United States Territorial Judge. His view was that the illegal act of disarming the Cowboys created the violent confrontation. Tombstone became open carry that day, and remains so to this day.

 

[Conservative65]

Onyx, care to address the points in my above statement? How does your society handle crime and conflict resolution (conflicts WILL happen with EVERY issue)

What crime?

There are only crimes against humanity, like unprovoked violence against someone else's personhood or property. That act warrants violence in return, in the name of practical self defense.

Conflict resolution can occur in many legitimate ways without a state. In Mayan communities for example, if you steal from somebody, then you pay back what was stolen in full.

Who enforces it being paid back?

 

[Windship]

Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

What about Socialist greed? Is that bad too? Personal greed?

Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins as outlined in the Bible. I know conservative Christians think that the Kingdom of Heaven is to be on earth but Jesus was pretty clear that wealth was a problem for him, and government had nothing to do with his teachings or his spirituality.

When Jesus was born, the Jews were waiting for a Messiah to lead them against the Romans and Jesus was very clear that he had no interest in politics, or in being King of the Jews, in the secular sense. His Kingdom was not of this earth, so all of these Dominionists and other cults, are just not reading the same Bible as the rest of us.

Show me what politicians do care about the bible.

 

[Onyx]

Who enforces it being paid back?

No one "enforces" payment. It is not societies role to play judge, jury, and executioner.

Preventing theft is a personal security accountability. It is also a minor civil conflict, which at most can be resolved by the victim of theft and the thief, or through community resolution by the voluntary mutual governance.

Of course, stealing could bring something called shame, and it would affect future interactions with other people and businesses.

In many modern rural communities throughout the world, there is a similar form of settling civil disputes. The local council may come to a decision on what is fair, and the guilty party is expected to adhere based on civil obligation. If the guilty party refuses to comply, it affects their standing and trust within the community.

 

[Conservative65]

Who enforces it being paid back?

No one. It is not societies role to be judge, jury, and executioner.

Preventing theft is a personal security accountability. It is also a minor civil conflict.

Of course, stealing could bring something called shame, and it would affect future interactions with other people and businesses.

You're almost at full anarchist.

 

[Slade3200]

Who enforces it being paid back?

No one. It is not societies role to be judge, jury, and executioner.

Preventing theft is a personal security accountability. It is also a minor civil conflict.

Of course, stealing could bring something called shame, and it would affect future interactions with other people and businesses.

So basically, fuck the weak, old, young and disabled... We will let the thugs take over. Survival of the fittest

 

[Onyx]

So basically, fuck the weak, old, young and disabled... We will let the thugs take over.

No, you kill thugs. You reclaim property.

You do not take lives away based on meagre disputes over money, although such is morally permissible during the act.

Survival of the fittest

On the contrary, it is empowerment of the strong.

It is doing away with the collectivism, and having others be personally accountable and self sufficient for their own needs.

In my opinion, family units have a responsibility to take care of their own, as well as communities. It is their moral obligation to defend on behalf of their least capable members.

 

[Onyx]

You're almost at full anarchist.

You can call me whatever you'd like.

 

[Conservative65]

You're almost at full anarchist.

You can call me whatever you'd like.

I call you what you are. If you had the balls to do it, you'd admit what I said is the truth.

 

[Slade3200]

So basically, fuck the weak, old, young and disabled... We will let the thugs take over. Survival of the fittest

No, you kill thugs. You reclaim property.

You do not take lives away based on meagre disputes over money, although such is morally permissible during the act.

Thugs are the ones that kill, and steal and don't give a shit for rules or respect or other people's personal property. All it takes is a killing spree and public fear for safety and who comes into power? The thugs, the ones willing to kill first and ask questions later.

Why would a gang live In The slums when they could just take over Beverly Hills? Why pay for a bagel when they could just walk out with it?

You catching my drift?

 

[Onyx]

Thugs are the ones that kill, and steal and don't give a shit for rules or respect or other people's personal property.

They should be killed.

Focus on the psychopaths. Increase self defense measures for all citizens. Remember - personal accountability.

All it takes is a killing spree and public fear for safety and who comes into power? The thugs, the ones willing to kill first and ask questions later.

An asshole who is about to get smoked by the reaction.

Why would a gang live In The slums when they could just take over Beverly Hills? Why pay for a bagel when they could just walk out with it?

Because you run the incredibly high risk of being killed by the civilian militia or reaction.

You catching my drift?

Not at all.

 

[Onyx]

I call you what you are. If you had the balls to do it, you'd admit what I said is the truth.

I guess I was not born with the proper selection of scrotum, epididymis, and testicles.

Is that all?

 

[Conservative65]

I call you what you are. If you had the balls to do it, you'd admit what I said is the truth.

I guess I was not born with the proper selection of scrotum, epididymis, and testicles.

Is that all?

You were born a pussy.

 

[Onyx]

You were born a pussy.

I thought I knew everything about pussy.

Apparently I was mistaken, because they now seem to be capable of free thought and speech.

 

[Conservative65]

You were born a pussy.

I thought I knew everything about pussy.

Apparently I was mistaken, because they now seem to be capable of free thought and speech.

Apparently, the one your mother had isn't capable of producing anything but a cowardly pussy.

 

[Onyx]

Apparently, the one your mother had isn't capable of producing anything but a cowardly pussy.

I guess so.

 

[Slade3200]

Thugs are the ones that kill, and steal and don't give a shit for rules or respect or other people's personal property.

They should be killed.

Focus on the psychopaths. Increase self defense measures for all citizens. Remember - personal accountability.

All it takes is a killing spree and public fear for safety and who comes into power? The thugs, the ones willing to kill first and ask questions later.

An asshole who is about to get smoked by the reaction.

Why would a gang live In The slums when they could just take over Beverly Hills? Why pay for a bagel when they could just walk out with it?

Because you run the incredibly high risk of being killed by the civilian militia or reaction.

You catching my drift?

Not at all.

Your theory is based on your faith that the public with all rally together to form a militia and kill criminals. Well as soon as one milita member kills a teenager for stealing something and the boy's family retaliates with claims that the killer is lying and the militia breaks up and into war with each other, you might see where this thing will go.

I'll state again... Your theory is fine for 3rd world tribal communities or taking it to burning man... But in the US in today's world there is absolutely no way it will work.