Cancer Treatment wait times....increasing under national healthcare system in Britain...

[2aguy]

As the National Healthcare system in Britain collapses....this problem is going to get worse and worse....they can't sustain it.....

Annals of Government Medicine

The London Times headlines: “Cancer patients face record wait.”

Cancer patients are being forced to endure the worst waiting times since records began, official figures reveal.
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In total, 168,390 patients were not seen or treated within the specified times. The figure is up 24% on the same period in 2018-19. Staff shortages, lack of equipment and beds filled by patients needing social care were to blame.
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In September, 76.9% of patients with suspected cancer began treatment within two months of an urgent referral from a GP.

“Urgent” isn’t what it once was. Delays in obtaining treatment often lead to poor outcomes:

Last year, for the first time, the NHS carried out more than 2m checks. It says cancer survival is at an all-time high, yet Britain is near the bottom of international league tables for cancer survival and is lagging years behind some countries for some types of the disease.

The National Health Service is unaccountably popular with Britons. In the current election campaign, Jeremy Corbyn made an issue out of documents apparently obtained by a hacker that, he said, showed the Tories were planning to “sell the NHS” to the U.S. Labour described alleged discussions between the Teresa May government and the U.S. as “the plot against our NHS.” Upon his arrival in London for the recent NATO meeting, President Trump was asked about the claim that he was trying to “buy the NHS.” Trump said he wouldn’t take the NHS if it were offered on a silver platter.

 

[Confounding]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it. Want to guess what happens to people in the states when they can't afford insurance or private care? A lot of them die due to lack of care. I bet they wish they had that awful public option that Britain does.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

 

[2aguy]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

They don't know anything different. They will eventually have the quality of the healthcare decline and decline since they can't afford it. If the United States stopped providing for their national defense, their medicines and their medical innovation, the collapse would happen much faster.

 

[westwall]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it. Want to guess what happens to people in the states when they can't afford insurance or private care? A lot of them die due to lack of care. I bet they wish they had that awful public option that Britain does.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

Because they don't know any better.

 

[Confounding]

They don't know anything different. They will eventually have the quality of the healthcare decline and decline since they can't afford it. If the United States stopped providing for their national defense, their medicines and their medical innovation, the collapse would happen much faster.

The same tired nonsense right wingers have been saying for decades. These nations will never stop providing a public option. You really think people in Europe live under a fucking rock? Don't know anything different? They know enough to actually be scared of visiting the states because God forbid they get hurt here and have to pay for an ER visit.

Europe does not need us to provide defense. The idea that Russia or anybody is just waiting for their chance to invade western Europe is lunacy. The nations that make up the EU could destroy Russia's WW2 era military all on their own if they needed to, and even if they did need help it wouldn't take us long to come back and provide assistance. None of that would ever happen though because Russia is not fucking stupid. They know they have nothing to gain by doing something crazy like that. They're not stupid blood lusting monsters.

The idea that they wouldn't provide public healthcare if not for our red white and blue dick laid across western Europe is nonsense. Let's bring those forces home and see what happens. I bet their healthcare won't go away, EVER. They will never stop providing public healthcare, and it really is only a matter of time until the states starts doing it too. The same goes for public university. It's going to happen, sorry. On this issue conservatives are temporarily just in the way.

 

[Confounding]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

 

[2aguy]

They don't know anything different. They will eventually have the quality of the healthcare decline and decline since they can't afford it. If the United States stopped providing for their national defense, their medicines and their medical innovation, the collapse would happen much faster.

The same tired nonsense right wingers have been saying for decades. These nations will never stop providing a public option. You really think people in Europe live under a fucking rock? Don't know anything different? They know enough to actually be scared of visiting the states because God forbid they get hurt here and have to pay for an ER visit.

Europe does not need us to provide defense. The idea that Russia or anybody is just waiting for their chance to invade western Europe is lunacy. The nations that make up the EU could destroy Russia's WW2 era military all on their own if they needed to, and even if they did need help it wouldn't take us long to come back and provide assistance. None of that would ever happen though because Russia is not fucking stupid. They know they have nothing to gain by doing something crazy like that. They're not stupid blood lusting monsters.

The idea that they wouldn't provide public healthcare if not for our red white and blue dick laid across western Europe is nonsense. Let's bring those forces home and see what happens. I bet their healthcare won't go away, EVER. They will never stop providing public healthcare, and it really is only a matter of time until the states starts doing it too. The same goes for public university. It's going to happen, sorry. On this issue conservatives are temporarily just in the way.

Moron....those nations can't field the units they are required to by treaty let alone face off against Russia........

 

[2aguy]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

Moron, over 80% of our people were happy with their healthcare before obama wrecked it.......it isn't about treating sick people, it is about controlling people through their medical care...you moron.

 

[Confounding]

Moron....those nations can't field the units they are required to by treaty let alone face off against Russia........

The combined EU could kick Russia's ass. It's irrelevant anyway though because RUSSIA ISN'T GOING TO FUCKING INVADE WESTERN EUROPE. THE RED SCARE IS OVER. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. GET WITH THE TIMES YOU STUPID COWARDLY OLD FUCK.

Thank you.

 

[westwall]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

No, they really don't. The NHS is all most of them have known. It started well, but like most people here, they only hear what they are told, but don't check the accounts for themselves.

The NHS is failing. The rate of failure is increasing.

 

[westwall]

Moron....those nations can't field the units they are required to by treaty let alone face off against Russia........

The combined EU could kick Russia's ass. It's irrelevant anyway though because RUSSIA ISN'T GOING TO FUCKING INVADE WESTERN EUROPE. THE RED SCARE IS OVER. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. GET WITH THE TIMES YOU STUPID COWARDLY OLD FUCK.

Thank you.

Actually, right now, I disagree with you. NATO would lose the war with Russia. Russia is unified under a brutal dictator, and the most powerful of the NATO countries is run by a communist.

NATO will lose.

 

[Likkmee]

Don't be so damn negative. Backhoe sales are up 17 %

 

[Confounding]

No, they really don't. The NHS is all most of them have known. It started well, but like most people here, they only hear what they are told, but don't check the accounts for themselves.

The NHS is failing. The rate of failure is increasing.

They will keep it active and seek to improve it. It won't go anywhere. Almost every nation on Earth has public healthcare, not just Europe. It is the future and it is only a matter of time before the U.S does it too.

 

[Polishprince]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

Actually, British subjects who give a shit about their health come to America, or go to private clinics in other nations.

When Mick Jagger needed a heart operation, he had it done in New York instead of by NHS quacks for free in England.

When Canadian subject Alex Trebek came down with his pancreatic problems, he consulted with American doctors instead of standing in line in Saskatoon.

 

[Maxdeath]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it. Want to guess what happens to people in the states when they can't afford insurance or private care? A lot of them die due to lack of care. I bet they wish they had that awful public option that Britain does.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

Part of the reason is that they have no other alternative because they are locked into the healthcare system they already have. They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

Do you also believe that we should have vehicle, homeowners, life and all other insurances done away with so that the government takes over those also? Maybe we should just forego all insurance and the government should just pay everyone in a car accident. They should pay if your house is damaged.

 

[Confounding]

Actually, right now, I disagree with you. NATO would lose the war with Russia. Russia is unified under a brutal dictator, and the most powerful of the NATO countries is run by a communist.

NATO will lose.

Russia knows it can't conquer the EU, especially because if they couldn't fight off Russia on their own we would help. They are not going to go to war with all of western Europe and potentially the U.S. Even having this discussion is fucking asinine. It won't happen. The Russians understand their place in the world. They would never do that, ever.

 

[Confounding]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

 

[Confounding]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

Actually, British subjects who give a shit about their health come to America, or go to private clinics in other nations.

When Mick Jagger needed a heart operation, he had it done in New York instead of by NHS quacks for free in England.

When Canadian subject Alex Trebek came down with his pancreatic problems, he consulted with American doctors instead of standing in line in Saskatoon.

Yes, U,S healthcare is the best in the world if you're rich. Not everybody can afford to get on their private jet and fly to see the most gifted private physicians on Earth. Everyday people would be better off if we had a public option. Rich people would still have private healthcare options because a public option wouldn't ban private ones. Don't worry. The rich wouldn't be forced to mingle with the poors and their mediocre doctors. .

 

[Maxdeath]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

Care to prove that?
I can prove that Canada is experiencing extremely long wait times to see doctors. That they are also seeing a decline in nursing staff. That they have a shortage of doctors and hospital rooms.
I can prove that Britian is facing a problem with certain hospitals only serving older citizens. I can show you that they are experiencing a money shortage for their healthcare.
I can show that those that can afford it come to the U.S. for treatment.

 

[Maxdeath]

Because they don't know any better.

What a load of shit. They know what we do and they want no part of it. Why is the approval of our healthcare so low?

Actually, British subjects who give a shit about their health come to America, or go to private clinics in other nations.

When Mick Jagger needed a heart operation, he had it done in New York instead of by NHS quacks for free in England.

When Canadian subject Alex Trebek came down with his pancreatic problems, he consulted with American doctors instead of standing in line in Saskatoon.

Yes, U,S healthcare is the best in the world if you're rich. Not everybody can afford to get on their private jet and fly to see the most gifted private physicians on Earth. Everyday people would be better off if we had a public option. Rich people would still have private healthcare options because a public option wouldn't ban private ones. Don't worry. The rich wouldn't be forced to mingle with the poors and their mediocre doctors. .

Boy you really are wrong I guess you have missed the almost 90% income tax suggested by some of the current crop of dem candidates to pay for Medicare for all. Hard to pay for private medical if you are paying outrageous taxes.

Then you have those that admit that taxes will rise on those that make $19,000.00 a year or more. You know the so called middle class that requires snap and other government programs.