Cancelling Republican Presidential Primaries Is By Definition Corruption!

[JimBowie1958]

Then you're totally cool with the choice of Trump vs any one of Insane Clowns pandering absolute authoritarianism and hand-outs....
I'm just not in a mood to joke about any of this for obvious reasons.. With these 2 parties, the end is near for representative Democracy and Liberty...

Sometimes despair can be overwhelming, unless you just decide to say F it all, and then laugh from then on out.

I am 61 almost 62 years old and the Oligarchs that run things are some of the most deceptive and manipulative people ever born as a class, and I like it. Because that is better than slap-you-in-your-face authoritarianism.

So I laugh instead of cry or rant in anger. I used to do that other stuff, but I realize now, late in life that there is no point to tears or expletives, all that does is burn my candle a little faster.

So I laugh, and ridicule and tell the Oligarchs 'Thank you for all the fish!'

 

[Papageorgio]

It is a significant rollback and taking away of the American people's rights to select the President of the United States, that is, their fundamental and natural right to choose the top leader of the Executive Branch of the government of the United States in four states, South Carolina, Kansas, Nevada and Arizona where Republican Party leaders decided not to hold a Republican presidential primary for 2020. Not only does it unfairly make it harder for a Republican challenger to the current Republican President to get the needed number of delegates to win the Republican nomination because these four state contests are shut down and so the opportunity to get these states delegates is also shut down; but, it deprives the Republican voters in these states from being part of a vigorous campaign for their primary votes and the opportunity to really and clearly voice their policy priorities and positions which they hold!

This canceling of these four states Republican Presidential primaries stinks to high heavens of corruption of how our nation's democracy is being controlled by monied interests. Monied interests in America stand to lose big if the current globalization model is significantly scrapped and America embarks on a semi-protectionist trade policy. Monied interests doesn't want to promote dialogue that the current globalization model doesn't work America loses to many middle class manufacturing jobs from it, Donald Trump recognizes this and is trying to change the model to protect American manufacturing jobs and ordinary people love this about President Trump they think he is spot on and he is the only major political force in the last fifty years that has been championing these American workers and offering real help; these ordinary Americans commitment to this issue is remarkable beyond words they are willing to overlook character flaws in President Trump that make him unfit to be President on multiple major levels because he is right with them on trade. Monied interests doesn't want it broadcasted widespread and intently that this is where the mass of the Republican voters are on trade they want this bad situation stopped no more excuses we want it done now stopped, the Republican establishment doesn't want this voice of the America people spotlighted because if it is they will have to offer a credible solution and the only credible solution is at minimum limited protectionism for America's domestic manufacturing industries - and the monied interests that is the people behind and that financially back the Republican Party establishment will be livid if this happens because they profit so greatly from off-shoring manufacturing for goods sold in America.

This writer is an American in his fifties and has followed politics closely for the past two decades and I never remember something like this taking place the canceling of four state'ss Republican primaries; this is outrageous it is political corruption at an epic level. What this behavior compellingly calls for is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that will ban a political party leadership from ever doing this, cancelling a state primary. State primaries have too vital a role in the granting of and providing to the American people their right to select the president. Remember it is not like a person who is qualified and wants to be President can tell election boards across the country put my name on the Presidential ballot it is a very expensive and am arduous process for a candidate to get his or her name on the Presidential ballot across the country; only powerful political party's have the resources to consistently do this. So for our democracy to be truly a democracy, political parties must be required to hold fair primary elections across the country.

Beyond upholding general tenets of a democracy, political primaries across the nation make candidates accountable for their record and boy do we ever need that with Mr. Trump. Primaries act as leverage for the American people to get their candidate to serve them which is what candidates should be doing primaries for incumbent Presidents make them better Presidents. I submit as an accurate prediction if President Trump got into a close primary race he or a powerful person behind him would get his butt off "twitter" and wouldn't that be great for America all the less problems we would see because Trump's not self creating them (at the end of the 2016 race he was muzzled on twitter)! If Trump got into a close primary, the American people would see significant progress on many issues such as stopping of excessive pricing of pharmaceuticals in America, on common sense gun control to scale back these mass murders the country sees, improvement of the Affordable Care Act - support for the Alexander/Murray bill that will significantly reimburse Health Insurance companies for the humongous cost on them for paying medical claims from Americans with preexisting conditions which if this bill passes will significantly drive down insurance premiums in the individual market.

The monied interests in America behind this cancelling of the Republican Presidential primaries are extremely clever because not only in canceling these primaries do they muzzle debate on the legitimate issues that underpin President Trump's support and thereby muzzle support for the needed solution of significant protectionist measures but also they are setting up America to sweep this issue away to put a giant cloud over it so that the American public won't be able to organize to bring about the needed change to the current trade model in America. Specifically, monied interests are setting themselves up to win even if President Trump loses the 2020 general election because if he loses their spin their lesson from this election will be Donald Trump made a catastrophic error with his tariffs and his trade wars American politicians specifically Republican politicians should treat tariffs and trade war promotion as political suicide behavior just keep offering the American people empty promises that the American government has to focus on getting our trading partners to act fair and to lower their trade barriers that is the solution. Cancelling state primaries for monied interests puts this election in a nice tidy box where Trump's the only issue so when Trump loses for them they throw the Trump box into the dumpster and move on getting back to business as usual where no significant Republican group threatens the current globalization model. Political party leaders might be in the pocket of monied interests that doesn't mean ordinary Americans have to be; the American people should call for and support a change to the U.S. Constitution that bans political parties from canceling statewide primaries to select nominees for national office!

No party has to hold primaries. The Democrats last election set it up for Clinton to win and look how did that turn out? Big money promotes the two party system and they are both corrupt however not enough people vote for a third party to help break up the corrupt two party system.

 

[flacaltenn]

Then you're totally cool with the choice of Trump vs any one of Insane Clowns pandering absolute authoritarianism and hand-outs....
I'm just not in a mood to joke about any of this for obvious reasons.. With these 2 parties, the end is near for representative Democracy and Liberty...

Sometimes despair can be overwhelming, unless you just decide to say F it all, and then laugh from then on out.

I am 61 almost 62 years old and the Oligarchs that run things are some of the most deceptive and manipulative people ever born as a class, and I like it. Because that is better than slap-you-in-your-face authoritarianism.

So I laugh instead of cry or rant in anger. I used to do that other stuff, but I realize now, late in life that there is no point to tears or expletives, all that does is burn my candle a little faster.

So I laugh, and ridicule and tell the Oligarchs 'Thank you for all the fish!'

I'm not leaving this mess to fester.. I'm doing things to get more Independents and 3rd parties elected....

All you gotta do is show folks how OBVIOUS the problem is.. And I'm typing my fingers off getting folks to stop "voting for winners" just to swing power between two insane and useless old crusty parties....

Here's how obvious the problem is....

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.
JOHN ADAMS, letter to Jonathan Jackson, October 2, 1789

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

Party leads to vicious, corrupt and unprofitable legislation, for the sole purpose of defeating party.
JAMES FENIMORE COOPER, The American Democrat

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm not leaving this mess to fester.. I'm doing things to get more Independents and 3rd parties elected....
All you gotta do is show folks how OBVIOUS the problem is.. And I'm typing my fingers off getting folks to stop "voting for winners" just to swing power between two insane and useless old crusty parties....
Here's how obvious the problem is....

Well, good luck and GO GET 'EM!

Meanwhile, I plan to enjoy my grandkids, love my wife and shitpost on the internet, lol.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The DNC just fixes theirs. Having said that, the Republicans should hold primaries-small and cost effective.

Why?

The purpose of primaries is to select the best nominee.

Trump is the best nominee.

A primary is a waste of money. Especially with who's competing with Trump

Hey, so is the primary system in California that results in only two names on the General Election ballot.. NO Independents, no write-ins, no 3rd parties.. AND LATELY -- not even a SECOND PARTY... The last 2 senators from Cali were picked with NO REPUBS allowed on the ballots... NO CHOICES....

This horseshit is gonna kill the country and YOU --- want the GOP to mimic it????

Not the same thing. This is a primary. There are many 3rd parties. They all put up A candidate.

 

[iceberg]

“Cancelling Republican Presidential Primaries Is By Definition Corruption!”

It’s certainly undemocratic, cowardly, and authoritarian – typical of most on the right.

Don't be quite so much a big partisan asshole!

The DNC already plowed that argument under in court two years ago when they screwed Bernie Sanders over. DNC argues in court: We don't owe anyone a fair primary process

Did you whine about that? I may have missed it if you did...which is unlikely.

Nobody on the right is pleading to see Mark Sanford take on Donald Trump. F&ck off!

this falls back onto "our rules don't apply to us" mindsets. frankly they don't deserve anything more than a FO from people.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

It is a significant rollback and taking away of the American people's rights to select the President of the United States, that is, their fundamental and natural right to choose the top leader of the Executive Branch of the government of the United States in four states, South Carolina, Kansas, Nevada and Arizona where Republican Party leaders decided not to hold a Republican presidential primary for 2020. Not only does it unfairly make it harder for a Republican challenger to the current Republican President to get the needed number of delegates to win the Republican nomination because these four state contests are shut down and so the opportunity to get these states delegates is also shut down; but, it deprives the Republican voters in these states from being part of a vigorous campaign for their primary votes and the opportunity to really and clearly voice their policy priorities and positions which they hold!

This canceling of these four states Republican Presidential primaries stinks to high heavens of corruption of how our nation's democracy is being controlled by monied interests. Monied interests in America stand to lose big if the current globalization model is significantly scrapped and America embarks on a semi-protectionist trade policy. Monied interests doesn't want to promote dialogue that the current globalization model doesn't work America loses to many middle class manufacturing jobs from it, Donald Trump recognizes this and is trying to change the model to protect American manufacturing jobs and ordinary people love this about President Trump they think he is spot on and he is the only major political force in the last fifty years that has been championing these American workers and offering real help; these ordinary Americans commitment to this issue is remarkable beyond words they are willing to overlook character flaws in President Trump that make him unfit to be President on multiple major levels because he is right with them on trade. Monied interests doesn't want it broadcasted widespread and intently that this is where the mass of the Republican voters are on trade they want this bad situation stopped no more excuses we want it done now stopped, the Republican establishment doesn't want this voice of the America people spotlighted because if it is they will have to offer a credible solution and the only credible solution is at minimum limited protectionism for America's domestic manufacturing industries - and the monied interests that is the people behind and that financially back the Republican Party establishment will be livid if this happens because they profit so greatly from off-shoring manufacturing for goods sold in America.

This writer is an American in his fifties and has followed politics closely for the past two decades and I never remember something like this taking place the canceling of four state'ss Republican primaries; this is outrageous it is political corruption at an epic level. What this behavior compellingly calls for is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that will ban a political party leadership from ever doing this, cancelling a state primary. State primaries have too vital a role in the granting of and providing to the American people their right to select the president. Remember it is not like a person who is qualified and wants to be President can tell election boards across the country put my name on the Presidential ballot it is a very expensive and am arduous process for a candidate to get his or her name on the Presidential ballot across the country; only powerful political party's have the resources to consistently do this. So for our democracy to be truly a democracy, political parties must be required to hold fair primary elections across the country.

Beyond upholding general tenets of a democracy, political primaries across the nation make candidates accountable for their record and boy do we ever need that with Mr. Trump. Primaries act as leverage for the American people to get their candidate to serve them which is what candidates should be doing primaries for incumbent Presidents make them better Presidents. I submit as an accurate prediction if President Trump got into a close primary race he or a powerful person behind him would get his butt off "twitter" and wouldn't that be great for America all the less problems we would see because Trump's not self creating them (at the end of the 2016 race he was muzzled on twitter)! If Trump got into a close primary, the American people would see significant progress on many issues such as stopping of excessive pricing of pharmaceuticals in America, on common sense gun control to scale back these mass murders the country sees, improvement of the Affordable Care Act - support for the Alexander/Murray bill that will significantly reimburse Health Insurance companies for the humongous cost on them for paying medical claims from Americans with preexisting conditions which if this bill passes will significantly drive down insurance premiums in the individual market.

The monied interests in America behind this cancelling of the Republican Presidential primaries are extremely clever because not only in canceling these primaries do they muzzle debate on the legitimate issues that underpin President Trump's support and thereby muzzle support for the needed solution of significant protectionist measures but also they are setting up America to sweep this issue away to put a giant cloud over it so that the American public won't be able to organize to bring about the needed change to the current trade model in America. Specifically, monied interests are setting themselves up to win even if President Trump loses the 2020 general election because if he loses their spin their lesson from this election will be Donald Trump made a catastrophic error with his tariffs and his trade wars American politicians specifically Republican politicians should treat tariffs and trade war promotion as political suicide behavior just keep offering the American people empty promises that the American government has to focus on getting our trading partners to act fair and to lower their trade barriers that is the solution. Cancelling state primaries for monied interests puts this election in a nice tidy box where Trump's the only issue so when Trump loses for them they throw the Trump box into the dumpster and move on getting back to business as usual where no significant Republican group threatens the current globalization model. Political party leaders might be in the pocket of monied interests that doesn't mean ordinary Americans have to be; the American people should call for and support a change to the U.S. Constitution that bans political parties from canceling statewide primaries to select nominees for national office!

No party has to hold primaries. The Democrats last election set it up for Clinton to win and look how did that turn out? Big money promotes the two party system and they are both corrupt however not enough people vote for a third party to help break up the corrupt two party system.

And yet every person has the absolute right to vote for any 3rd party.

I'm happy with the current Republican choice.

 

[flacaltenn]

The DNC just fixes theirs. Having said that, the Republicans should hold primaries-small and cost effective.

Why?

The purpose of primaries is to select the best nominee.

Trump is the best nominee.

A primary is a waste of money. Especially with who's competing with Trump

Hey, so is the primary system in California that results in only two names on the General Election ballot.. NO Independents, no write-ins, no 3rd parties.. AND LATELY -- not even a SECOND PARTY... The last 2 senators from Cali were picked with NO REPUBS allowed on the ballots... NO CHOICES....

This horseshit is gonna kill the country and YOU --- want the GOP to mimic it????

Not the same thing. This is a primary. There are many 3rd parties. They all put up A candidate.

Then you're unaware of the problem.. Cali stuck it's nose into the PARTIES' business of picking candidates to appear on the GENERAL ELECTION ballot... NOW -- NO ONE gets on the General Election ballot except the "Top Two" winners in the primary.... NO ONE.... Only 2 dems on the last two senate races.. Similiar for House races.. They SCHEMED to make Cali a ONE PARTY Communist style state and succeeded.

So if the Repubs want to offer 5 or 6 choices (or can't prevent them all from running) --- they ALL FAIL in primaries (due to vote dilution) and NONE ever MAKE tthe General... Same with 3rd parties.. And Independents are FORCED to run in the primary even tho they don't have a party "nomination" process...

It's a blatant power grab... I opposed them since tthe 90s when this "jungle primary" concept first hit the ballots out there.. The Libertarians and Greens and Independents killed that idea for 20 years -- but they finally got it thru.....