Can you leftist assure me that this is bs?(Obamacare)

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    Leftist can you reassure me that this isn't true? The health care system in Britain seems to work a lot like this. Why shouldn't we have a system that can supply our entire population with what they need? Why limit and put medical suppliers out of business???



    What this guy was talking about is we won't be able to supply people with what they need. This scares me.
     
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    Could we ever supply people with what they need?

    Or only those who could afford healthcare?
     
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    If someone has to wait months to get basic help. That is what scares me...I don't want to find myself in such a case.
     
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    Link please.
     
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    HHS releases rules requiring pre-existing conditions coverage
    The Hill ^ | 11/20/12 | Sam Baker

    HHS releases rules requiring pre-existing conditions coverage - The Hill's Healthwatch

    This will force everyone to pay equal and force insurance company out of the business.
     
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    You don't wait months for basic help, only nonemergency and elective procedures
     
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    Forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions is exactly why there is an individual mandate. The mandate offsets the higher cost of insuring people with pre-existing conditions.

    Forcing healthy people to pay premiums offsets the outlays for the chronically ill.

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    Everyone should pay equal

    If insurance companies don't like the business they are in, why did they fight so hard against the Government getting involved?
     
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    As for "death panels", the fact that stupid meme persists is incredibly annoying.

    The "death panels" meme began when Congressman Blumenauer of Oregon added a provision to have end of life counseling paid for by insurance. A senior citizen could discuss with a doctor ahead of time what sort of care they would like should they ever become too ill to communicate their wishes. The provision required insurance to pay for this doctor visit.

    This is the exact OPPOSITE of a "death panel". This was a means to EMPOWER the patient.

    Calling that insured doctor visit a "death panel" was a classic case of people not even bothering to read the legislation and instead drinking the piss of ignorant demagogues like Sarah Palin. They really need to be kicked in the nuts.

    To cover up their supreme embarrassment over this incredible fuckup, "death panels" has now been morphed into a whole new meaning.

    Every insurance company has actuaries. And these actuaries determine how much each and every illness and disease under the sun costs, on average, and how frequently they appear in the population, on average.

    Based on these actuarials, insurance companies are able to determine how much outlays they will have for a given number of customers in a given condition of general good health. From this they are able to determine how much money they need those customers to pay to cover the outlays, plus a little profit (or not, if they are a non-profit health insurance).


    If you then get a disease and live past the average, you become a risk to their business model. So they start pressuring the hospital to put you on an ice floe and wave bye-bye.

    Just about every person who has ever had a family member come down with cancer has experienced this.

    Now...have you ever heard Sarah Palin or any other rabid pissing dog call this process a "death panel" in the entire history of the world B.O. (Before Obama)?

    Neither have I.


    So when the government does the EXACT SAME THING by setting up actuarials in the ACA, why is it suddenly the new and improved definition of a "death panel"?

    Because they are fucking asshole hypocrites, that's why.



    Read the bill. There's a lot more valid shit to bitch about in that bill than this bullshit death panel thing.


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    There will certainly be "death panels." Just like Britain and Oregon and every other place that has similar systems, this one encourages over use by people and limits supply. The result is shortage. Since you cannot allocate resources based on price, you must ration them. Ergo some people's lives will not be considered worth saving.
     

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