Can there really be a two state solution?

[Billo_Really]

Until the Palestinians are prepared to moderate their current position, there will never be a two State solution!

Don't forget that on three occasions the Palestinians walked away when they were offered 95% of their demands.

The problem is that despite all the bravado both Fatah and Hamas have the same charter and ideology and that is the obliteration of the State of Israel which must become a purely Arab Palestinian State.

So ...what is the point of speculating about two States when the reality is the Palestinians want only one State, which is their State.

You just want to keep spewing bullshit Israeli propaganda, don't you?

 

[Kondor3]

you mean the palestinians don't have east Jerusalem. Israel has had it since '67.
Israel will not let it be divided ever again. They will not let the jews be denied access to the western wall to pray.

The world didn't let Germany annex Poland and it won't allow you to annex East Jerusalem.

Nobody is going to war with Israel over the pissant Palestinians, nor over East Jerusalem, which is already a fait accompli.

Besides... "The World" (The West, the part that counts the most) likes the Christian Poles far more than it likes the Muslim Palestinians.

 

[Kondor3]

Until the Palestinians are prepared to moderate their current position, there will never be a two State solution!

Don't forget that on three occasions the Palestinians walked away when they were offered 95% of their demands.

The problem is that despite all the bravado both Fatah and Hamas have the same charter and ideology and that is the obliteration of the State of Israel which must become a purely Arab Palestinian State.

So ...what is the point of speculating about two States when the reality is the Palestinians want only one State, which is their State.

True enough.

The Palestinians shot themselves in the foot over a two-state solution, eons ago, and that window of opportunity has closed - quite probably, forever.

Just as well... the time is fast-approaching, to kick them off the lands they're squatting on, anyway.

 

[Billo_Really]

Nobody is going to war with Israel over the pissant Palestinians, nor over East Jerusalem, which is already a fait accompli.

Besides... "The World" (The West, the part that counts the most) likes the Christian Poles far more than it likes the Muslim Palestinians.

Well, that's probably true.

 

[docmauser1]

funny, is the reality of intent of driving jews out as entertaining as my "fantasy"? heh

That is no more an acceptable solution than ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.

Why, but it is perfectly acceptable! Jews, being the politically incorrect community, "must" abandon the eastern Jerusalem, jews "must" abandon judea and samaria, jews "must accept" the "right of return" that will drive jews out, in short, imagined peace and quiet for Europe and others "must" be bought and paid for in jews.

You must be confused.

Nah.

Jews are clearly the "politically correct" community as I'm sure you are aware.

Nah, no aware.

Just look at the posts in these boards, they are overwelmingly pro-Jewish/pro-Israeli. So let's stop pretending it's poor little Israel vs the big bad world that wants to eliminate them.

Cool! So, not everyone is a common core product!

Israel "must accept" the right of return? No. That is not a widely supported position in the international community. Most people realize that would be demographic suicide and that any viable solution to the conflict must recognize Israel's need for security.

Indeed, it has been recycled into a "binational" state with a "right of return" to follow. hehe

East Jeruselum - Israel demands as it's own in entirety cleansed of a substantial portion of it's original inhabitants who are simultaneously attempting to cleanse Jewish incomers from it. Quite a mess. But, of course the "politically correct" folks (like you who pretend Israel is just a misunderstood innocent in this) claim it belongs entirely to Israel. It may end up that way but it is by no means settled nor "rightfully" Israel's.

Jerusalem has been annexed. And that's it.

As far as the Jews abandoning areas that aren't rightfully theirs - what's wrong with that?

Really?! Then Europe must be running redrawing its borders to reflect their pre-war status. hehe

Seriously - they are acting like Russia barging around in the Ukraine and annexing territories under false pretenses then proclaiming themselves to be the victims.

Oh, bog off. The Crimea has never been ukrainian in the first place. The US-engineered coup threatened the future of the russian Black Sea naval base, and Russia took the Crimea back.

The settlements are illegal and those territories do not (yet) belong to Israel. And what's the solution? Remove all the Palestinians.

Indeed, and since they've built nothing of notice so far, they've got nothing to lose too.

Drivel.

[yaaaaawwwwwn] Drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

The world didn't let Germany annex Poland and it won't allow you to annex East Jerusalem.

"The world" has its own problems. Palistanians are a collective jackass. And Jerusalem's is annexed.

 

[docmauser1]

The world didn't let Germany annex Poland and it won't allow you to annex East Jerusalem.

"The world" has its own problems. Palistanians are a collective jackass. And Jerusalem is annexed.

 

[Phoenall]

yayayaya...I know what you're solution is Kondor and you know what I think of it

You can think of it what you will.

A one-state solution is not viable.

A two-state solution is not viable.

The situation will remain in stasis until Israel decides that there is more danger in leaving the Palestinians in-place than there is in expelling them.

And then things will happen at the speed of light.

So quickly that outside intervention will be impossible.

The mark of high-quality tactical planning and logistics.

Two aspects of military operations that the Israelis positively excel at.

What you or I think of it matters very little, once the shit hits the fan.

The only that would work for that many millions of people would be genocide or concentration camps or for Israel to give the land with it's people to Egypt and Jordan to sort out. I doubt they or other states would be able to take that many people in without severe disruption on a scale that would rival Syria's refugee crisis. They have enough of their own problems to sort out I think it's a nice fantasy but the fall out would destroy Israel and put it on par with NK, Iran, etc.

Meaning less anti Israel resolutions from the UN, less terrorist attacks, less fear of being killed. See the way it is going, and would Israel care any more that Iran of N.K. ?

NK is run by a spoiled child madman...so...hard to know what would make them care, however Iran and more recently Russia are suffering under sanctions as a result of their bad behavior.

And they still thumb their noses at the UN and keep trading on the open market. Russia has a strangle hold over Europe with its oil and gas reserves paid for 12 months ago, just the threat of closing the pipeline has Europe breaking the sanctions

 

[Phoenall]

you mean the palestinians don't have east Jerusalem. Israel has had it since '67.
Israel will not let it be divided ever again. They will not let the jews be denied access to the western wall to pray.

The world didn't let Germany annex Poland and it won't allow you to annex East Jerusalem.

Watch this space

 

[Mindful]

Unreported world.

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[aris2chat]

Unreported world.

JEWSNEWS Documentary The Gaza Real Estate Boom that the Media Refuses To Show You

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