Can Obama Keep His Generals In Check In The War Against Isis?

[Care4all]

Neo-cons have not a clue about nation reconstruction.

Iraq is neither Germany nor Japan. Shinseki was right, Runfsfeld wrong, and Bush listened to Darth Cheney.

And here we are.

Bush?

Congress approved the invasion of Iraq.

Accusing Bush of policy failures 6 years after his presidency really only makes the Community Organizer look more incompetent.

The Iraq resolution was not Congress approving for a war in Iraq, even Bush said at the signing that it WAS NOT a resolution for war....

READ THE WHOLE RESOLUTION

It was congress relinquishing their constitutional duty and powers, and handing those constitutional powers over to the President, for the President, and the President ALONE to make the decision.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No amount of defending Buish and excoriacating Obma saves Bush's reputation.

Obama has his own problems, but the history books will show that he was dealt an awful hand when entering office.

 

[Samson]

Neo-cons have not a clue about nation reconstruction.

Iraq is neither Germany nor Japan. Shinseki was right, Runfsfeld wrong, and Bush listened to Darth Cheney.

And here we are.

Bush?

Congress approved the invasion of Iraq.

Accusing Bush of policy failures 6 years after his presidency really only makes the Community Organizer look more incompetent.

The Iraq resolution was not Congress approving for a war in Iraq, even Bush said at the signing that it WAS NOT a resolution for war....

READ THE WHOLE RESOLUTION

It was congress relinquishing their constitutional duty and powers, and handing those constitutional powers over to the President, for the President, and the President ALONE to make the decision.

Ok.

What does this have to do with the US leaving Iraq and the predictable outcome of that exit during the past 6 years?

 

[Samson]

No amount of defending Buish and excoriacating Obma saves Bush's reputation.

Obama has his own problems, but the history books will show that he was dealt an awful hand when entering office.

It will make for an interesting, if rather bare, Presidential Library: One statue, of Bush, with the inscription "It was Bush's Fault."

After all, every other President had it really easy.

Perhaps there will be a wall, displaying Obama's Golf Scores, and the difficulties on each course that he had without a lower handicap.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Even you should know that Islam is not the problem.



No, you probably don't know that.

 

[Vigilante]

Even you should know that Islam is not the problem.



No, you probably don't know that.

No Islam....NO FUCKING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, you douchebag!

 

[Jroc]

How about we seal the damn border genius something you liberals refuse to do

I wasn't aware that any elected administration had acted to "seal the damn border."

About time we do it don't you think? Liberals complain about interfering in other countries business, but have no problem with other countries interfering in ours, by intentionally flooding our country with their citizens. Of course mixed in there are terrorist muslim and otherwise

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Even you should know that Islam is not the problem.



No, you probably don't know that.

No Islam....NO FUCKING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, you douchebag!

Sorry but since you can't write the English language, I can't tell wth youj're trying to say.

Islam is not the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Memorize it.

 

[Vigilante]

Even you should know that Islam is not the problem.



No, you probably don't know that.

No Islam....NO FUCKING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, you douchebag!

Sorry but since you can't write the English language, I can't tell wth youj're trying to say.

Islam is not the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Memorize it.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

So Obama refuses to put even special forces on the ground to help defeat ISIS? This guy is all political. He doesn't want to defeat anybody. What's the point of announcing no boots on the ground never?..The answer, politics. You liberals must be proud. Notice the weak Obama handshake. Like the general could crush him if he wanted and Obama and Biden know it.... LOL

The president promised no combat troops to fight ISIS, but his top general says he may recommend them. Why Obama and his commanders are not on the same page for the new war.
In his major address explaining America’s new war against ISIS, President Obama pledged that there would be no U.S. combat troops. On Tuesday, Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he may recommend ground forces in the future.

The White House is seeking to gloss over the rift between the president and his top general, but it is clear that just below the waterline Obama is not on the same page as the commanders who will be leading the new fight. U.S. military officials and members of Congress have complained privately for weeks that Obama appears unwilling to commit the resources necessary to achieve his aim of defeating ISIS.

The Washington Post reported this week that Gen. Lloyd Austin, the general in charge of the military command that includes Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan, recommended a war strategy with a small contingent of special operations forces fighting alongside Iraqi and Kurdish security forces. But Obama rejected that advice. Obama traveled to Tampa Wednesday to meet with Austin about the ISIS strategy on his own turf.

Can Obama Keep His Generals in Check in the War Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

What a fucking embarrassment Obama is. Damn you liberals!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

OP- Yes. Sure makes him look good, and scares ISIS too...the media has too much time on their hands.

They no doubt laugh at Obama he even looks like a little bitch

At this point, the American public would favor our Generals staging a coup against him. Installing Biden would still be an improvement.

 

[Care4all]

Why can't the countries in the region that are affected by this come in with enough boots on the ground to defeat the bad guys? Are they smart enough to know, that they don't want to get involved because it is a lost cause? Where is Israel in this....? Aren't they strong enough to defeat ISIS.....? Shoot, Israel knows how to fight a down and dirty war, they'd just blow them up...in to smithereens, regardless of who is in the way....

Can someone tell me how American boots on the ground is going to make this better? And what do you realistically see as the end result, and being a good ending for all involved and how long do you believe we should be there with boots on the ground and how many dead Americans are you willing to hand over to this cause of yours and for how much of our taxes should we spend on it, until you all call "when"? And don't you think this is PRECISELY what ISIS wants? They are begging us to come in and try to get them with the beheadings... They WANT Americans or even Israelis to be involved so they can increase their recruiting abilities, like what happened when we went in to Iraq.... It only made more and more join their groups and emboldened them....


Knee jerk reactions are the worst kind and only cause more harm than good. A wise man, does not go in to war, without knowledge or good advice on how the outcome and end game will look like and be once it is all over...

and JUST WAR requires that it be BETTER for all involved once the war is over.

 

[Care4all]

OP- Yes. Sure makes him look good, and scares ISIS too...the media has too much time on their hands.

They no doubt laugh at Obama he even looks like a little bitch

At this point, the American public would favor our Generals staging a coup against him. Installing Biden would still be an improvement.

BULL CRAP..... asshole!

 

[JoeB131]

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How about we seal the damn border genius something you liberals refuse to do

You realize sealing a border is pretty much impossible, right?

 

[JoeB131]

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Interesting.

So, unless enemy landing craft are beaching themselves in California or North Carolina, then its too easy to "call for deaths of our husbands, our children, our fathers....?"

Um, no.

If they ever get like a Navy that can cross oceans, then I'd be seriously concerned.

But let's be honest about what is going on here.

ISIL hates us just a little more than the people they are fighting- The Iraqi Shi'ites, The Mullahs in Iran and the Allawites in Syria. Who all hate us, too. And they ALL hate our buddies, the Zionists.

You see, when ISIL was fighting Bashir Assad, we were all for it because the Zionists want to see Assad go.

Just like when Saddam was fighting the Iranians, we were all for Saddam. Until he invaded Kuwait.

Just like when Bin Laden was fighting the Russians, we were all for Bin Laden. Until he turned on America.

There has to be a point where your realize that sticking your dick in the hornet's nest is always a bad idea.

 

[Jroc]

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How about we seal the damn border genius something you liberals refuse to do

You realize sealing a border is pretty much impossible, right?

No it isn't.. Troops, Fence, electronic surveillance its very possible

 

[Samson]

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Interesting.

So, unless enemy landing craft are beaching themselves in California or North Carolina, then its too easy to "call for deaths of our husbands, our children, our fathers....?"

Um, no.

If they ever get like a Navy that can cross oceans, then I'd be seriously concerned.

But let's be honest about what is going on here.

ISIL hates us just a little more than the people they are fighting- The Iraqi Shi'ites, The Mullahs in Iran and the Allawites in Syria. Who all hate us, too. And they ALL hate our buddies, the Zionists.

You see, when ISIL was fighting Bashir Assad, we were all for it because the Zionists want to see Assad go.

Just like when Saddam was fighting the Iranians, we were all for Saddam. Until he invaded Kuwait.

Just like when Bin Laden was fighting the Russians, we were all for Bin Laden. Until he turned on America.

There has to be a point where your realize that sticking your dick in the hornet's nest is always a bad idea.

I like your analogy.

We should definitely take a flame thrower to the hornet's nest.

 

[JoeB131]

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How about we seal the damn border genius something you liberals refuse to do

You realize sealing a border is pretty much impossible, right?

No it isn't.. Troops, Fence, electronic surveillance its very possible

Okay, you know, fences can be climbed over, cut through, dug under or gone around. troops can be outwitted. electronic survellience can be foiled. It's done every day when places with guards and cameras are broken into.

But let's live in your fantasy land and say it works. How are you going to pay for it? I mean, we can stop sending money to the Zionists, but we'd need a lot more money that that to completely seal the southern border.

 

[JoeB131]

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There has to be a point where your realize that sticking your dick in the hornet's nest is always a bad idea.

I like your analogy.

We should definitely take a flame thrower to the hornet's nest.

Okay, somehow, I don't think genocide is the answer. Just saying.

 

[Samson]

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There has to be a point where your realize that sticking your dick in the hornet's nest is always a bad idea.

I like your analogy.

We should definitely take a flame thrower to the hornet's nest.

Okay, somehow, I don't think genocide is the answer. Just saying.

Neither do I.

Your analogy though, of "sticking your dick in the hornet's nest" describes the Strategic US military approach to "interventions," and the invasion of Iraq: a partial commitment, e.g. reluctance to triangulate firepower on enemy positions because they happen to be within civilian populations or religious buildings (mosques). Had this approach been applied to Germany or Japan, they never would have been defeated.

I'm proposing that such an approach cannot be successful either in theory or in practice. The only successful way to use military power is to apply it without reluctance and with total commitment to destroy the enemy. If Americans cannot accept this reality, then they had better prepare for WWIII because that will be the only military conflict where they will be successful, or they should expect more half-ass results like Iraq.

Frankly, if we compare the relative success of defeating Japan and Germany, we also must recognize that there was much more that the atomic bomb at play: Russians, the real "Flame Throwers," to the Hornet's Nest. Both Germany and Japan understood that unlike America, Russians had a certain level of commitment to defeating their enemy that even a country possessing atomic weapons could not match.