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every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.
Why? What good is pouring money into a corrupt island. We put the goods there, sent donations and the dumbass drivers went on strike and this is Trump’s fault? Really?every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?
The politics of calculating hurricane deaths
Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”
They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.
Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.
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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.
I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.
Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.PR has seen what America can do for it, which is not help at all. So I'd suggest that they declare independence and tell Americans where they can stick their territory.
Wow, that is funny. Puerto Rico has continued to allow corrupt and incompetent, democrat governors run the island...
They have only had two republican governors since 1965 and the last one was out of office in 2013 the first one was out of office n 1973....so the democrats, again, have destroyed another state....
No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.PR has seen what America can do for it, which is not help at all. So I'd suggest that they declare independence and tell Americans where they can stick their territory.
Wow, that is funny. Puerto Rico has continued to allow corrupt and incompetent, democrat governors run the island...
They have only had two republican governors since 1965 and the last one was out of office in 2013 the first one was out of office n 1973....so the democrats, again, have destroyed another state....
No, they think that we are that stupid, and that is what needs to change. Hollyweird used all of it's might to create a brain dead society, and this needs to change just as fast as these crazies claim that PR could be fixed after such a devastating event.I've been dispelling your outright LIES...............like the other poster who said the Navy ships weren't sent on time.....They were already there...........10,000 FEMA and army were ALREADY THERE."Can Hurricane deaths 5 months after Hurricane be blamed on Trump?"
Of course they can.
The deaths of American citizens during the storm and subsequently are the consequence of Trump’s incompetence and failure to address the crisis.
And the lie that the Puerto Rican government is ‘corrupt’ fails as a red herring fallacy, just another example of how dishonest and reprehensible Trump supporters are.
You bunch of dumb asses know what kind of damage 2 Cat 5 Hurricanes can do.......
Then I want you to look at a map and show that they have to travel 1200 miles to get there.
Shall we go into the U.S. Navy assets to Key West.........guess what, they were there also.............
Incompetent........our Military was all over these places at the same time.......providing assistance.....
Where the hell you gonna get the other assets for these storms at the same time while fighting Wars overseas.........Did you expect them to pull them out of their asses..........
Good Grief you people are beyond stupid.
We should give PR back to Spain ..... if they would take them.If the Puerto Rican government has been corrupt for 30 years....and has put the Island into 118 billion dollars in debt, while allowing the infrastructure to be destroyed...where is Trump's responsibility...especially when the corruption continued through the hurricane and handling the supplies and aid?
Again, Trump is in charge of FEMA and all the other federal agencies. If anything, he has MORE authority to override local officials because Puerto Rico is a territory and not a state with sovereign rights. He just chose not to.
Giving money to American rather than to those who have repeatedly voted not be part of America but still demand America pay all their bills?
Puerto Rico is a 116-year-old child who refuses to leave Mom's basement.
We need to call Dr Phil ... it's time for 'tough love'.
The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?
The politics of calculating hurricane deaths
Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”
They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.
Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.
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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.
I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.
Is Trump president or not?
Fuck, he's taking credit for the economy doing well when he did nothing, now he doesn't want to take the blame for problems that are happening. What a fucking surprise.
FEMA did it's job, the Puerto Rican government didn't do it's job....and hasn't done it's job in 30 years.
No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.PR has seen what America can do for it, which is not help at all. So I'd suggest that they declare independence and tell Americans where they can stick their territory.
Wow, that is funny. Puerto Rico has continued to allow corrupt and incompetent, democrat governors run the island...
They have only had two republican governors since 1965 and the last one was out of office in 2013 the first one was out of office n 1973....so the democrats, again, have destroyed another state....
PR is still a mess.
Give it up.. You are embarrassing yourself big time.. lolFEMA did it's job, the Puerto Rican government didn't do it's job....and hasn't done it's job in 30 years.
3000 people died. FEMA did not do it's job.
That’s funny. You condemn him for not accepting blame for hurricane deaths and also condemn him for taking credit for the economy. You stated he is not responsible for the economy.Illogical and you contradict yourself in this little post.The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?
The politics of calculating hurricane deaths
Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”
They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.
Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.
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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.
I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.
Is Trump president or not?
Fuck, he's taking credit for the economy doing well when he did nothing, now he doesn't want to take the blame for problems that are happening. What a fucking surprise.
Trump is responsible for hurricane deaths during his presidency, but not responsible for the economy during his presidency. LOL.
Well, that'd be assuming that I said this.
What I'm pointing out is that Trump will take any success as his success and is pinning all failure on other people.
So why did god send hurricanes your way? You all up to no good down there?No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.PR has seen what America can do for it, which is not help at all. So I'd suggest that they declare independence and tell Americans where they can stick their territory.
Wow, that is funny. Puerto Rico has continued to allow corrupt and incompetent, democrat governors run the island...
They have only had two republican governors since 1965 and the last one was out of office in 2013 the first one was out of office n 1973....so the democrats, again, have destroyed another state....
PR is still a mess.
You trying to make a fool of yourself now ??So why did god send hurricanes your way? You all up to no good down there?No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.Wow, that is funny. Puerto Rico has continued to allow corrupt and incompetent, democrat governors run the island...
They have only had two republican governors since 1965 and the last one was out of office in 2013 the first one was out of office n 1973....so the democrats, again, have destroyed another state....
PR is still a mess.
Well you said "god gifted us with", so are the hurricanes another gift from god?You trying to make a fool of yourself now ??So why did god send hurricanes your way? You all up to no good down there?No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??It’s not a state, you numbskull.
PR is still a mess.
Exactly !!!!Then he needs to declare martial law! Put a division of army in there, put the dumb officials in jail and just take over PR. Otherwise he is not responsible.The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?
Completely. Trump is in Charge of FEMA, the organization that is supposed to respond to disasters and get a region like this back on their feet after a disaster.
The storm was catastrophic, and in the modern age those numbers are actually low in regards to the deaths involved. If a Storm like that would have hit them decades ago, the numbers would have been catastrophic in regards to the numbers of deaths. It will probably amaze people as to how many resources have been poured into that area since then. The infrastructure was very fragile due to a number of past reasons, and that also played a huge role in the deaths I'm thinking. Emergency preparedness was probably another factor. We're shelters adequate, high ground routes adequate, transportation adequate, escape routes adequate etc ?
This cheap shot at Trump is pure political bullcrap, just as it was in the blaming of Bush during Katrina. What did that idiot Ralm Emmanuel get caught saying ? "Never let a ??? go to waste"
It amazes me that some people, especially the left never ever question what they are being told. They hate Trump so much that they will take any lie at face value and run with it. Help was sent, troops were sent. The gov. Is corrupt! The aid sits rotting away but instead of getting it to the people the PR officials are busy paying a university to drum up inflated numbers a year later, manufacturing tee shirts and screaming into the cameras!
No! Three thousand people did not die. Stop believing paid for computer generated bullshit! Look for the death certificates!FEMA did it's job, the Puerto Rican government didn't do it's job....and hasn't done it's job in 30 years.
3000 people died. FEMA did not do it's job.
I realize that. But could it not have restored power and gotten roads passable in that time IF THEY REALLY TRIED?every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.
That all depends on where you want to assess the problems with power and other infrastructure resources originating. The infrastructure in regards to power and whatnot where in deteriorated condition before the hurricane ever hit. To expect hurricane response to repair 20 years of decay in 5 months would not be a reasonable expectation.
