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[rightwinger]

There were a group of states that overestimated the extent of the 10th Amendment in the early 1860s. We actually fought a war to decide whether states rights or federal rights would prevail.....States rights lost

Wrong answer dipwad. Were the Ninth and Tenth Amdments stricken or amended to reflect what you just wrote?

Answer ? -NO-

You truth has fallen on the obtuse just like water on a ducks back.

Unfortunately for you, there was a shift in power from the States to the Federal Government after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War, the country was too dispersed and communications took too long to execute a strong central government. At the time of the founding of the country, residing power at the State level made sense.

However, once the States Rights folks made a power grab in the 1860s it all became moot. We went from a bunch of united states to "The United States"

We are now the primary economic and military power on earth...there is no going back to a bunch of united states

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Wrong answer dipwad. Were the Ninth and Tenth Amdments stricken or amended to reflect what you just wrote?

Answer ? -NO-

You truth has fallen on the obtuse just like water on a ducks back.

Unfortunately for you, there was a shift in power from the States to the Federal Government after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War, the country was too dispersed and communications took too long to execute a strong central government. At the time of the founding of the country, residing power at the State level made sense.

However, once the States Rights folks made a power grab in the 1860s it all became moot. We went from a bunch of united states to "The United States"

We are now the primary economic and military power on earth...there is no going back to a bunch of united states

What shift in power? Has the Tenth Amendment been repealed?

 

[The T]

Wrong answer dipwad. Were the Ninth and Tenth Amdments stricken or amended to reflect what you just wrote?

Answer ? -NO-

You truth has fallen on the obtuse just like water on a ducks back.

Unfortunately for you, there was a shift in power from the States to the Federal Government after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War, the country was too dispersed and communications took too long to execute a strong central government. At the time of the founding of the country, residing power at the State level made sense.

However, once the States Rights folks made a power grab in the 1860s it all became moot. We went from a bunch of united states to "The United States"

We are now the primary economic and military power on earth...there is no going back to a bunch of united states

You're still wrong and have not addressed the 9th or 10th issue. Sure they can ignore them, but they do so unlawfully.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You truth has fallen on the obtuse just like water on a ducks back.

Unfortunately for you, there was a shift in power from the States to the Federal Government after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War, the country was too dispersed and communications took too long to execute a strong central government. At the time of the founding of the country, residing power at the State level made sense.

However, once the States Rights folks made a power grab in the 1860s it all became moot. We went from a bunch of united states to "The United States"

We are now the primary economic and military power on earth...there is no going back to a bunch of united states

What shift in power? Has the Tenth Amendment been repealed?

You are not a constitutional expert, so end of that comment. The CW made states' right a moot point in terms of federalism. Supremacy is vested in the national government, with the states having specified powers. The states are not sovereign equals of the national government.

 

[Oddball]

Who told you that?

What would even be the point in having states, if not for dual sovereignty?

 

[The T]

Unfortunately for you, there was a shift in power from the States to the Federal Government after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War, the country was too dispersed and communications took too long to execute a strong central government. At the time of the founding of the country, residing power at the State level made sense.

However, once the States Rights folks made a power grab in the 1860s it all became moot. We went from a bunch of united states to "The United States"

We are now the primary economic and military power on earth...there is no going back to a bunch of united states

What shift in power? Has the Tenth Amendment been repealed?

You are not a constitutional expert, so end of that comment. The CW made states' right a moot point in terms of federalism. Supremacy is vested in the national government, with the states having specified powers. The states are not sovereign equals of the national government.

Bullshit. Chapter and verse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why do you think that, Dude? You don't believe history has consequences?

 

[The T]

Why do you think that, Dude? You don't believe history has consequences?

Show us where it is written...LAW...has the Constitution been abridged?
I know it gets ignored. The 9th and 10th are still in effect.

 

[Oddball]

Why do you think that, Dude? You don't believe history has consequences?

That didn't answer the question, Uncle Leon.

What is the point of states, if there is no dual sovereignty?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point of the states today is that the relationship, Brother Welch, between the national and state governments changed because of the Civil War.

 

[Oddball]

Where did you learn this peculiar version of history?

 

[JakeStarkey]

In high school, in university, in reading hundreds of histories, articles, and position papers. In reading, writing, and discussing about it. Your basic issue is that you want no one telling you what to do and to stay off your property even to the determent of yourself, your neighbors, and your community.

Doesn't matter if you don't like being part of community, Dude, because you are, because you don't have the numbers to change, because that is the way it is.

 

[The T]

Man! Talk of history revisionism? Good lord!

Just because the Federal Government has become overbearing, over reaching...and unlawful Constitutionally...these cretins are now claiming it goes back to the Civil War?

Riiiiiiight.

 

[rightwinger]

Why do you think that, Dude? You don't believe history has consequences?

Show us where it is written...LAW...has the Constitution been abridged?
I know it gets ignored. The 9th and 10th are still in effect.

Yes they are still in effect and their execution has been defined by 150 years of court decisions clarifying the powers of the Federal and State governments.

However, there is good news for you. As a citizen, you are free to challenge the constitutionality of those 150 years of court decisions and have them reversed

I wish you good luck

 

[The T]

In high school, in university, in reading hundreds of histories, articles, and position papers. In reading, writing, and discussing about it. Your basic issue is that you want no one telling you what to do and to stay off your property even to the determent of yourself, your neighbors, and your community.

Doesn't matter if you don't like being part of community, Dude, because you are, because you don't have the numbers to change, because that is the way it is.

Translation: "We're in power now and we are going to run roughshod over all of you and make shit up in the process...and there isn't anything the people can do about it..."

 

[Oddball]

Sure love their judicial oligarchy as long as the results turn out in their favor, don't they?

But let the courts rule that the 2nd Amendment really means what it says or that people can pay for all the political speech they want under the auspices of their corporate identity, and it's Katie bar the door!

 

[rightwinger]

In high school, in university, in reading hundreds of histories, articles, and position papers. In reading, writing, and discussing about it. Your basic issue is that you want no one telling you what to do and to stay off your property even to the determent of yourself, your neighbors, and your community.

Doesn't matter if you don't like being part of community, Dude, because you are, because you don't have the numbers to change, because that is the way it is.

Translation: "We're in power now and we are going to run roughshod over all of you and make shit up in the process...and there isn't anything the people can do about it..."

The powers of the Federal Government have been legally defined over the last 150 years. If you are unhappy with the shift of power to the Federal Government, you are free to avail yourself to our constitutional form of government and get it changed.

What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts

 

[Oddball]

Not really, as SCOTUS only rules on cases brought to them, rather than proactively going out and striking down usurpations of federal jurisdiction.

But nice try.

 

[rightwinger]

Sure love their judicial oligarchy as long as the results turn out in their favor.

But let the courts rule that the 2nd Amendment really means what it says or that people can pay for all the political speech they want under the auspices of their corporate identity, and it's Katie bar the door!

Just goes to prove that the door swings both ways. Some decisions are reviled by the left, some are reviled by the right. The key is that our system of government allows you to challenge the decision or revise the law.

America.......what a country!

 

[rightwinger]

Not really, as SCOTUS only rules on cases brought to them, rather than proactively going out and striking down usurpations of federal jurisdiction.

But nice try.

EXACTLY....thanks for pointing that out Dude

That is what the rightwing conservatives don't understand. You don't have to prove that a law or power of government is within the bounds of the Constitution. It is up those who oppose it to prove it is unconstitutional and take it to the courts to decide