Calvin Coolidge born July 4 Hero to tea partiers

[Oddball]

Cal was cool.

Yeah!...Yeah!

 

[Charles_Main]

Calvin Coolidge, born July 4: Hero to tea partiers Breaking News The Herald Bulletin

They are building a museum in his honor. With his austerity, shouldn't they instead donate they money raised to...I don't know...BP or something?

Coolidge was the last president who truly practiced limited government the way the Founders intended.

Where did the founders state what size government they expected in the year 2010?

Where do they put any limitations on the size of government?

Any power not enumerated in the constitution does not belong to the Federal government. That is how they limited it, limit what it can do, and limit it's size and scope. The problem is politicians on both sides have ignored and bent the constitution to their will. Leaving us with a bloated power abusing Federal Government that is not looking out for us, and consistently over steps its bounds and claims powers not specifically given to it. The issue of states rights in this country is dead, and that is sad because it is at the core of what the Founders intended. It is the core of limiting Federal power. However today the states have little rights when it comes to resisting the will of the Fed. Politicians from both sides have seen to that.


YAY.

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today. No SS, not Medicare, Not Obamacare, not even Federal Taxes. They knew they were nothing but tools of oppression sold as social justice. They saw that when over half the electorate benefited but did not pay into the System, that those people would oppress the people who do pay in at the ballot box, and just continue to vote to take more and more from those who do contribute, until the whole things falls apart. As far as Federal Income tax goes we are close to passing the point where more than half of Voters do not actually pay anything in Federal Income tax. So why in gods name would they care how much we spend or how high taxes on those who do pay go. They are something for nothing, and will continue to vote for more of it. The Dems know it, and are setting up their Imperial Rule ignoring the border and trying to give 15 Million illegals citizenship and voter cards, and by making our taxes so "progressive" that they can count on over half the people being happy with getting something for nothing at the cost of those who do contribute.

Super system they have. I just love it.

We are all nothing but a bunch of slaved.

"16 Tons what do ya get, another day older and deeper in debt" That used to be a pro union song about being in debt to the old time company stores. It fits great today only the company store is state and Federal government.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Calvin Coolidge, born July 4: Hero to tea partiers Breaking News The Herald Bulletin

They are building a museum in his honor. With his austerity, shouldn't they instead donate they money raised to...I don't know...BP or something?

Coolidge was the last president who truly practiced limited government the way the Founders intended.

Where did the founders state what size government they expected in the year 2010?

Where do they put any limitations on the size of government?

It's called the Constitution of the United States.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Calvin Coolidge, born July 4: Hero to tea partiers Breaking News The Herald Bulletin

They are building a museum in his honor. With his austerity, shouldn't they instead donate they money raised to...I don't know...BP or something?

and Woodrow Wilson would be the liberals hero.

 

[Jack Fate]

About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.

Speech on the Occasion of the One Hundred and Fiftieth Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence by Calvin Coolidge

 

[rightwinger]

Sure it does. You have only a short list of things federal government may do. The Fed size is then governed by logistics and waste toleration.

Still playing a losing hand......

Can you back it up with Legal findings?

RW, can you believe that Fits is still claiming that he is a constitutional scholar and has anything worthwhile to say about it. He is the forum punch bag on this issue and keeps coming back for more.

You are right. The Constitution says nothing about the size of the government.

Those who have read it realize the Constitution does not say much about anything. It provides a framework for the struture of our government. It provides very little of "you must do this, you can't do that"

 

[rightwinger]

Coolidge was the last president who truly practiced limited government the way the Founders intended.

Where did the founders state what size government they expected in the year 2010?

Where do they put any limitations on the size of government?

Any power not enumerated in the constitution does not belong to the Federal government. That is how they limited it, limit what it can do, and limit it's size and scope. The problem is politicians on both sides have ignored and bent the constitution to their will. Leaving us with a bloated power abusing Federal Government that is not looking out for us, and consistently over steps its bounds and claims powers not specifically given to it. The issue of states rights in this country is dead, and that is sad because it is at the core of what the Founders intended. It is the core of limiting Federal power. However today the states have little rights when it comes to resisting the will of the Fed. Politicians from both sides have seen to that.


YAY.

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today. No SS, not Medicare, Not Obamacare, not even Federal Taxes. They knew they were nothing but tools of oppression sold as social justice. They saw that when over half the electorate benefited but did not pay into the System, that those people would oppress the people who do pay in at the ballot box, and just continue to vote to take more and more from those who do contribute, until the whole things falls apart. As far as Federal Income tax goes we are close to passing the point where more than half of Voters do not actually pay anything in Federal Income tax. So why in gods name would they care how much we spend or how high taxes on those who do pay go. They are something for nothing, and will continue to vote for more of it. The Dems know it, and are setting up their Imperial Rule ignoring the border and trying to give 15 Million illegals citizenship and voter cards, and by making our taxes so "progressive" that they can count on over half the people being happy with getting something for nothing at the cost of those who do contribute.

Super system they have. I just love it.

We are all nothing but a bunch of slaved.

"16 Tons what do ya get, another day older and deeper in debt" That used to be a pro union song about being in debt to the old time company stores. It fits great today only the company store is state and Federal government.

Unfortunately, under the Supremacy Clause, powers executed by the federal government supercede those of the states.
We actually fought a war to settle whether those rights reside within the states or the federal government.....

The states lost

We have a strong federal government which is the most effective means to run a modern society

 

[rightwinger]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

 

[Jack Fate]

Still playing a losing hand......

Can you back it up with Legal findings?

RW, can you believe that Fits is still claiming that he is a constitutional scholar and has anything worthwhile to say about it. He is the forum punch bag on this issue and keeps coming back for more.

You are right. The Constitution says nothing about the size of the government.

Those who have read it realize the Constitution does not say much about anything. It provides a framework for the struture of our government. It provides very little of "you must do this, you can't do that"

Do you believe the US Constitution is outdated?

 

[Jack Fate]

Where did the founders state what size government they expected in the year 2010?

Where do they put any limitations on the size of government?

Any power not enumerated in the constitution does not belong to the Federal government. That is how they limited it, limit what it can do, and limit it's size and scope. The problem is politicians on both sides have ignored and bent the constitution to their will. Leaving us with a bloated power abusing Federal Government that is not looking out for us, and consistently over steps its bounds and claims powers not specifically given to it. The issue of states rights in this country is dead, and that is sad because it is at the core of what the Founders intended. It is the core of limiting Federal power. However today the states have little rights when it comes to resisting the will of the Fed. Politicians from both sides have seen to that.


YAY.

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today. No SS, not Medicare, Not Obamacare, not even Federal Taxes. They knew they were nothing but tools of oppression sold as social justice. They saw that when over half the electorate benefited but did not pay into the System, that those people would oppress the people who do pay in at the ballot box, and just continue to vote to take more and more from those who do contribute, until the whole things falls apart. As far as Federal Income tax goes we are close to passing the point where more than half of Voters do not actually pay anything in Federal Income tax. So why in gods name would they care how much we spend or how high taxes on those who do pay go. They are something for nothing, and will continue to vote for more of it. The Dems know it, and are setting up their Imperial Rule ignoring the border and trying to give 15 Million illegals citizenship and voter cards, and by making our taxes so "progressive" that they can count on over half the people being happy with getting something for nothing at the cost of those who do contribute.

Super system they have. I just love it.

We are all nothing but a bunch of slaved.

"16 Tons what do ya get, another day older and deeper in debt" That used to be a pro union song about being in debt to the old time company stores. It fits great today only the company store is state and Federal government.

Unfortunately, under the Supremacy Clause, powers executed by the federal government supercede those of the states.
We actually fought a war to settle whether those rights reside within the states or the federal government.....

The states lost

We have a strong federal government which is the most effective means to run a modern society

The states lost on the issue of slavery. Nothing else.

Why isn't the Federal government enforcing the immigration law by closing the border? Evidently a government is only as strong as the laws it chooses to enforce. Woudn't you agree with that?

 

[Jack Fate]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

So we expand these social programs which will cost more money. Great. Where do we get the money?

 

[bodecea]

Calvin Coolidge, born July 4: Hero to tea partiers Breaking News The Herald Bulletin

They are building a museum in his honor. With his austerity, shouldn't they instead donate they money raised to...I don't know...BP or something?

Coolidge was the last president who truly practiced limited government the way the Founders intended.

One of my favorite quotes of his when talking about the growing Army Air Corps:

"Why can't we buy just one aeroplane and let the aviators take turns flying it?"

 

[Jack Fate]

Calvin Coolidge, born July 4: Hero to tea partiers Breaking News The Herald Bulletin

They are building a museum in his honor. With his austerity, shouldn't they instead donate they money raised to...I don't know...BP or something?

Coolidge was the last president who truly practiced limited government the way the Founders intended.

One of my favorite quotes of his when talking about the growing Army Air Corps:

"Why can't we buy just one aeroplane and let the aviators take turns flying it?"

Sounds like he was a very frugal man.

 

[Big Fitz]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

Huh, ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion?

BTW, here's the history of US taxation from the Treasury Dept.

U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of the U.S. Tax System

Your welcome.

When the Constitution was adopted in 1789, the Founding Fathers recognized that no government could function if it relied entirely on other governments for its resources, thus the Federal Government was granted the authority to raise taxes. The Constitution endowed the Congress with the power to "…lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." Ever on guard against the power of the central government to eclipse that of the states, the collection of the taxes was left as the responsibility of the State governments.

To pay the debts of the Revolutionary War, Congress levied excise taxes on distilled spirits, tobacco and snuff, refined sugar, carriages, property sold at auctions, and various legal documents.

Excise taxes affect anyone who purchase a product.

And then THIS is just marvelous.

As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

Incredible. pop goes the myth of "you earn/have/get too much".

 

[rightwinger]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

So we expand these social programs which will cost more money. Great. Where do we get the money?

We belong to a modern society. A modern society depends on a middle class which provides the labor to drive the economic engine. As such, we must provide a wage level to the working class that allows them to provide the basic necessities for survival.
Social programs allow workers to contribute to society and have an expectation that they will be taken care of in their old age and if they become ill.

The social darwinism of the Coolidge era lead to the disaster of the Great Depression

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Where did the founders state what size government they expected in the year 2010?

Where do they put any limitations on the size of government?

Any power not enumerated in the constitution does not belong to the Federal government. That is how they limited it, limit what it can do, and limit it's size and scope. The problem is politicians on both sides have ignored and bent the constitution to their will. Leaving us with a bloated power abusing Federal Government that is not looking out for us, and consistently over steps its bounds and claims powers not specifically given to it. The issue of states rights in this country is dead, and that is sad because it is at the core of what the Founders intended. It is the core of limiting Federal power. However today the states have little rights when it comes to resisting the will of the Fed. Politicians from both sides have seen to that.


YAY.

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today. No SS, not Medicare, Not Obamacare, not even Federal Taxes. They knew they were nothing but tools of oppression sold as social justice. They saw that when over half the electorate benefited but did not pay into the System, that those people would oppress the people who do pay in at the ballot box, and just continue to vote to take more and more from those who do contribute, until the whole things falls apart. As far as Federal Income tax goes we are close to passing the point where more than half of Voters do not actually pay anything in Federal Income tax. So why in gods name would they care how much we spend or how high taxes on those who do pay go. They are something for nothing, and will continue to vote for more of it. The Dems know it, and are setting up their Imperial Rule ignoring the border and trying to give 15 Million illegals citizenship and voter cards, and by making our taxes so "progressive" that they can count on over half the people being happy with getting something for nothing at the cost of those who do contribute.

Super system they have. I just love it.

We are all nothing but a bunch of slaved.

"16 Tons what do ya get, another day older and deeper in debt" That used to be a pro union song about being in debt to the old time company stores. It fits great today only the company store is state and Federal government.

Unfortunately, under the Supremacy Clause, powers executed by the federal government supercede those of the states.
We actually fought a war to settle whether those rights reside within the states or the federal government.....

The states lost

We have a strong federal government which is the most effective means to run a modern society

The 10th amendment has something to say against what you said.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

For those pea brains too stupid to acknowledge what the Revolutionary was over here’s a hint
TAXES.
From the Declaration of Independence
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

 

[rightwinger]

Any power not enumerated in the constitution does not belong to the Federal government. That is how they limited it, limit what it can do, and limit it's size and scope. The problem is politicians on both sides have ignored and bent the constitution to their will. Leaving us with a bloated power abusing Federal Government that is not looking out for us, and consistently over steps its bounds and claims powers not specifically given to it. The issue of states rights in this country is dead, and that is sad because it is at the core of what the Founders intended. It is the core of limiting Federal power. However today the states have little rights when it comes to resisting the will of the Fed. Politicians from both sides have seen to that.


YAY.

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today. No SS, not Medicare, Not Obamacare, not even Federal Taxes. They knew they were nothing but tools of oppression sold as social justice. They saw that when over half the electorate benefited but did not pay into the System, that those people would oppress the people who do pay in at the ballot box, and just continue to vote to take more and more from those who do contribute, until the whole things falls apart. As far as Federal Income tax goes we are close to passing the point where more than half of Voters do not actually pay anything in Federal Income tax. So why in gods name would they care how much we spend or how high taxes on those who do pay go. They are something for nothing, and will continue to vote for more of it. The Dems know it, and are setting up their Imperial Rule ignoring the border and trying to give 15 Million illegals citizenship and voter cards, and by making our taxes so "progressive" that they can count on over half the people being happy with getting something for nothing at the cost of those who do contribute.

Super system they have. I just love it.

We are all nothing but a bunch of slaved.

"16 Tons what do ya get, another day older and deeper in debt" That used to be a pro union song about being in debt to the old time company stores. It fits great today only the company store is state and Federal government.

Unfortunately, under the Supremacy Clause, powers executed by the federal government supercede those of the states.
We actually fought a war to settle whether those rights reside within the states or the federal government.....

The states lost

We have a strong federal government which is the most effective means to run a modern society

The 10th amendment has something to say against what you said.

There were a group of states that overestimated the extent of the 10th Amendment in the early 1860s. We actually fought a war to decide whether states rights or federal rights would prevail.....States rights lost

 

[rightwinger]

Unlike Liberals today our founders recognized the inherit danger in having a society where more than half the people do not pay into the Federal System but gain from it. They saw that the people in power would use that to enslave us. That is why they would have never been for the kind of Social programs we have today.

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

For those pea brains too stupid to acknowledge what the Revolutionary was over here’s a hint
TAXES.
From the Declaration of Independence
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

Actually, Americans paid lower taxes than the British at the time. The major grievance of the Declaration was the lack of representation in the government.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Bull Shit

Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along.

The founding fathers had no concept of what it takes to run a modern society. That is why they did not try to restrict it

For those pea brains too stupid to acknowledge what the Revolutionary was over here’s a hint
TAXES.
From the Declaration of Independence
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

Actually, Americans paid lowr taxes than the British at the time. The major grievance of the Declaration was the lack of representation in the government.

You said and I quote
"Most of the people at the founding of our nation were not landholders ande did not pay taxes.....you are obviously making this up as you go along."

BULLSHIT.