Zone1 Calling/accusing other members "groomer"

[Bob Blaylock]

The mods in this thread have said that calling someone a groomer is accusing them of a crime worse than murder. First of all, no, that's bullshit, murder is worse than pedophilia, murder victims are dead forever and nothing can fix that…

It can be. My wife survived, and has gone on to live a worthwhile life, albeit with some clear damage. She was eight when her father started sexually abusing her, and was ten when it ended.

The very best thing that my father-in-law ever did was when it came out what he was doing to his daughter; he put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The world would be a much better place if all pedophiles, groomers, and their allies, including several users on this forum, and even including several moderators and staff, here, would follow his final example.

Many victims of child abuse end up committing suicide. Many others don't but end up being badly fucked-up for life, and suffer the rest of their lives much worse than my wife has.

This new wave of transsexual-based grooming and abuse is much, much worse. This confuses vulnerable children about who and what they are, and leads to destructive quasi-medical Frankensteinery that results in them being permanently, physically damaged in a way that deprives them of any hope of ever having a healthy sex life after they grow up. Anyone who has any willing part in this needs to die, as soon as possible, and in as painful a way as possible.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

That is where my father-in-law is right now, has been since long before I met his daughter. Plenty of others on this very forum, including several of the moderators and staff of this forum, in time, will be there too, keeping him company.

There are many smug people here who have absolutely no reason for being so smug. Not being particularly bright or introspective people, though, they simply cannot place themselves in the positions of those like your wife who were the victims of extreme sexual abuse, They are just SO convinced of their own superiority that they are completely callous.

This entire forum is now callous by very design and intentional manipulation.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is also a community, and no innocent person one wants to be accused of being a pedo. Would you?
This isn't the first time we've had someone targeted for harrassment [sic] in this way.

I call bullshit.

Who is is being “targeted for harrassment [sic] in this way” that hasn't given us clear reason to believe that he is, at the very least, supportive of the sexual abuse of children?

 

[mak2]

only if you wish to create a Kangaroo court where moderators have absolutely no accountability, anyway.

The result of systems where power is invested in a small oligarchy that is never held responsible for the decisions they make are always fascistic in nature.


Perhaps that is why the notion is so attractive to you.

I respond to questions by PM about my decisions as a mod. Reality is there is not accountability for the forum. It can do what it wants, it is, after all, a private entity. But this thread is just stirring discontent. And this forum is a privately owned entity. There is no obligation to hold it accountable or responsible for free speech. They just need more posters and more advertisers. Goofballs running around here calling people child molesters probably wont help the forum grow. But hey, I am having fun for now. When I am not, I will just move on. That is what posters do.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Coyote -- Are you counting your snarky, mocking laughing reactions to me? Tommy has certainly crossed the threshold for stalking long ago, but he is negligible. I sure wouldn't want you crossing that same threshold as outlined by Flac because I would miss you terribly if the rules were ever enforced as written.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Btw, for the record nobody in their right mind would call me a pedophile because I don't display any pedophile behavior at all.

If someone were to call you a pedophile, do you think anyone would believe him? I certainly don't.

But if someone were to call that creepy old man that often speaks of very young children in sick, sexual terms a pedophile, would anyone believe it? I think everyone already knows, even if nobody says it.

 

[BlueGin]

I respond to questions by PM about my decisions as a mod. Reality is there is not accountability for the forum. It can do what it wants, it is, after all, a private entity. But this thread is just stirring discontent. And this forum is a privately owned entity. There is no obligation to hold it accountable or responsible for free speech. They just need more posters and more advertisers. Goofballs running around here calling people child molesters probably wont help the forum grow. But hey, I am having fun for now. When I am not, I will just move on. That is what posters do.

The board has a history of bad moderation. If it has a bad reputation they came by it on their own. No stirring discontent needed.

 

[Gracie]

What you THINK of Coyote has no bearing on the matter.

The truth of the matter is that she has, indeed threatened to burn me for making posts that are not violations, proceeded to do just that, and banned me for 5 days. Aye has confirmed that they were, in fact, not posts that should have been infracted.

That shouldn't be difficult for you to understand.

Maybe she just doesn't like you, The Coyote I know is far from protecting a perv. FAR from it. So her actions may be from flat out dislike? Its not an excuse...just something to muse on. Is she wrong for feeling that intense dislike for someone she doesn't even really know except thru words on a message board? No...but maybe something beyond her control. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. And sometimes there are those who just rub us the wrong way and no clue as to WHY.

Point is..accusing her and other mods of protecting the P word (pervert will be next to be a no no, I'm betting) is about as unfair as what you feel has been done to you.

Just sayin'.

A good rule of thumb for everyone is:

Address the post, and not the poster.

Something I need to work on myself.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I respond to questions by PM about my decisions as a mod. Reality is there is not accountability for the forum. It can do what it wants, it is, after all, a private entity. But this thread is just stirring discontent. And this forum is a privately owned entity. There is no obligation to hold it accountable or responsible for free speech. They just need more posters and more advertisers. Goofballs running around here calling people child molesters probably wont help the forum grow. But hey, I am having fun for now. When I am not, I will just move on. That is what posters do.

Of course this forum can do what they please, and so if they wish to enable the sexualization of children, that is certainly their choice.

Thank you for pointing out that enabling the sexualization of children is, indeed, their choice.

 

[Missourian]

 

[mak2]

Of course this forum can do what they please, and so if they wish to enable the sexualization of children, that is certainly their choice.

Thank you for pointing out that enabling the sexualization of children is, indeed, their choice.

If you truly believe they are attempting to enable child abuse it is your duty to report it. do it now. Or shut up about it;.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Maybe she just doesn't like you, The Coyote I know is far from protecting a perv. FAR from it. So her actions may be from flat out dislike? Its not an excuse...just something to muse on. Is she wrong for feeling that intense dislike for someone she doesn't even really know except thru words on a message board? No...but maybe something beyond her control. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. And sometimes there are those who just rub us the wrong way and no clue as to WHY.

Point is..accusing her and other mods of protecting the P word (pervert will be next to be a no no, I'm betting) is about as unfair as what you feel has been done to you.

Just sayin'.

A good rule of thumb for everyone is:

Address the post, and not the poster.

Something I need to work on myself.

Are you the last person in this entire forum who has figured out that Coyote absolutely despises me, Gracie?

 

[Road Runner]

If someone were to call you a pedophile, do you think anyone would believe him?

Just going by my posts in this thread alone,.. I highly doubt it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

If you truly believe they are attempting to enable child abuse it is your duty to report it. do it now. Or shut up about it;.

I have no duty to do anything, despite your authoritarian claims and attempt to silence me.

Now, I realize by now that you are a complete authoritarian, but some of us rather imagine ourselves as free beings.

Yes, yes, I realize for kids like you that is a very antiquated notion, but for my generation, freedom was actually a quite popular notion -- especially among liberals.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Let's start with the one who recently started a thread openly advocating that child pornography, specifically crafted to normalize pedophilia, should be made available to minors.

I could also mention another individual, that I think almost everyone here knows (or at least very strongly suspects) is a pedophile, who frequently speaks of children as young as two or three in disgustingly sexual terms.

have you reported them to the authorities? It is your duty to report known pedophiles

Can't really do much that way. I have no evidence of what anyone here has or has not done outside the forum; only what they say, advocate, and defend inside the forum. Speech itself isn't criminal. In the second case, it seems very likely that the individual in question has crossed the line into action, but I have nothing beyond weak circumstantial evidence to that effect.

The second individual, like most on this forum, goes by an anonymous pseudonym, and I have no evidence to connect his identity on this forum to his identity in The Real World.

Any effort to bring either of them, or any other suspected childfuckers to justice, will have to come from The Real World, from outside this forum.

 

[mak2]

I have no duty to do anything, despite your authoritarian claims and attempt to silence me.

Now, I realize by now that you are a complete authoritarian, but some of us rather imagine ourselves as free beings.

Yes, yes, I realize for kids like you that is a very antiquated notion, but for my generation, freedom was actually a quite popular notion -- especially among liberals.

So you truly believe this forum is enabling known child abusers, but you are too free to report them? Do you not have any morals or ethics? I was not talking about laws I was talking about what a normal ethical human would do. But hey. you go bro, I am probably older than you, but indeed, you are free not to report child abuse. Hope you sleep well tonight.

 

[Gracie]

Are you the last person in this entire forum who has figured out that Coyote absolutely despises me, Gracie?

I guess so!!! I had no clue. Really. But I can relate to the emotion towards someone else and it bugs the everlovin' hell out of me because I don't know WHY this neverending disgust comes forth whenever I run across that person. I just can't help myself in being ornery to that person. Maybe its the same way with her.

Since I am in the dark about a lot of stuff here lately...I wonder if you are more angry about the P word situation this thread is about, or more angry at the mod that wants to burn you? I ask because you have brought that up numerous times, so it makes me wonder. You also said you were not a victim of a P, but your posts say otherwise.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Let's start with the one who recently started a thread openly advocating that child pornography, specifically crafted to normalize pedophilia, should be made available to minors.

You and I both know damn well what that makes him, but if I say it, you'll abuse your power to punish me. You'll censor me to protect him.

I could also mention another individual, that I think almost everyone here knows (or at least very strongly suspects) is a pedophile, who frequently speaks of children as young as two or three in disgustingly sexual terms. I've been suspended several times for calling that piece of shit out for what he very obviously is.

No links ever provided of course. Report it to a Sr Mod: Aye, Flac, or Taz.

Are you claiming not to have seen this thread? There, the OP is openly advocating that a work of blatant child pornography should be made available to minors—a work that is explicitly and obviously crafted to groom its target audience into thinking that sexual behavior between grown men and young boys is normal and acceptable. I'm not calling on you to censor him. I believe yet is better to let such filth speak, the better to see them for what they are. But this is a very clear, undeniable example of someone on this forum, openly supporting the sexual abuse of minors.

I call bullshit on any claim on your part to to have already known what it is that I just told you. You have no plausible deniability, here.

In the other case, you've punished me multiple times for calling out that piece of shit, so you know damn well what I wrote on those occasions what it was that he wrote to which I was responding. No plausible deniability there, either. In fact not only do you have no plausible deniability, there but you have been willfully and knowingly complicit.

 

[mak2]

Can't really do much that way. I have no evidence of what anyone here has or has not done outside the forum; only what they say, advocate, and defend. Speech itself isn't criminal. In the second case, it seems very likely that the individual in question has crossed the line into action, but I have nothing beyond weak circumstantial evidence to that effect.

The second individual, like most on this forum, goes by an anonymous pseudonym, and I have no evidence to connect his identity on this forum to his identity in The Real World.

Any effort to bring either of them, or any other suspected childfuckers to justice, will have to come from The Real World, from outside this forum.

At least on the forums I mod, it takes minutes to find a posters address and sometimes we can just come to the general ISP. I am sure this forum probably works about the same way. But anyway, this is the most schocking thread I have seen,

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I think much could be accomplished by just pruning out the black heart at the center of USMB but there is absolutely no indication that this will ever happen. The management structure of USMB as presented to us and the actual management structure seems to be two different things.

Ever since I have been here, all power seems to be invested in the same individual.

I do not see any way that that is going to happen.

If it were up to me to dictate how an alternative forum were to be set up, transparency would certainly be a big part of it. It would be made much clear, in a way that it isn't here who owns the forum, who runs it, and in what manner. Moderator actions would be accompanied by public notices, so everyone could know what moderator did what to whom, and for what reason.

The evil at the heart of this forum thrives in darkness and secrecy.