Caller: Why is Reagan a hero to conservatives? Rush: Derp

[Sarah G]

sheesh, the man has been dead how long?

and they are still dumping on him..

pretty pathetic is you ask me.

Rs have been trying so hard to find another person exactly like him. They're thinking Palin is that person.. I guess she might be afterall.

The right is like that, they thought Arnold was like that and even wanted to change the constitution so he could be president.

they though Bush was like that too.

Like the trickle down thing they never admit to being wrong and adjust their behaviour.

They thought W was a moderate until Rove swallowed his brain and Cheney took over the presidency. Although I do believe Bush took the presidency back after Cheney shot his friend and the Scooter perjury.

By then it was too late.

 

[uscitizen]

When Bush left office, the word on the street was that the USA was finished. The Chinese were taking over and we were a footnote in history. No international respect, no ideas, no passion and no future. Plenty of rust and plenty of bloat.

 

[Ravi]

the sun rose AND set every day during the reagan administration.




you can look it up.

way to go, gipper

There were several days when it was so dark and cloudy it was hard to tell if the sun really did rise...

 

[uscitizen]

The sun does not rise. Do you not understand elementary solar system mechanics?

 

[del]

the sun rose AND set every day during the reagan administration.




you can look it up.

way to go, gipper

There were several days when it was so dark and cloudy it was hard to tell if the sun really did rise...

typical huffpo spin

 

[del]

The sun does not rise. Do you not understand elementary solar system mechanics?

i read popular mechanix, does that count?

 

[uscitizen]

The sun does not rise. Do you not understand elementary solar system mechanics?

i read popular mechanix, does that count?

That still exists? Do they still have weird plans for sale? LIke anti gravity devices, pain generators, etc?

 

[Woyzeck]

the sun rose AND set every day during the reagan administration.




you can look it up.

way to go, gipper

Tides go in, tides go out, never a miscommunication.

 

[uscitizen]

the sun rose AND set every day during the reagan administration.




you can look it up.

way to go, gipper

Tides go in, tides go out, never a miscommunication.

Umm the moon causes that.

 

[JBeukema]

oooooooooooooooooooo, they CRUSHED Rush.

good grief...

Crushed? Rush was completely destroyed.

His retort? "You have an understanding of Reagan that is flawed"..

What the heck does that mean?

Reality is flawed?

If the caller were wrong..Rush should have tore about his points. He didn't. He attacked the caller..and the source of his information.

What he just should have said, is, "These things nevered happened".

You know why he didn't say that?

Bad trip to the Vet? Calm down Spot. Sit! Stay! Good Boy!!!

You have an understanding of Reagan that is flawed Sallow, it has everything but context. In your current state a logical argument is futile. You need an intervention first. Collective Hive Think bad. Free Market, Value for Value, Good. You can choose to support excellence or mediocrity, you have to make a choice. Now Go fetch.

On behalf of both the Ministry of Truth, AgitProp Division (MoTA) and the American Trolling League (ATL), I applaud this post.

 

[JBeukema]

The sun does not rise. Do you not understand elementary solar system mechanics?

 

[Toro]

Reagan was a conservative but he was also a pragmatist. He sat down and negotiated with The Evil Empire after all.

Heck, if the GOP leaders had had their way, Reagan would have been shunned as a candidate in the last election!

Reagan would fail proposed GOP purity test

A pundit called today's Republican Party "the bar scene from Star Wars"

Republican Litmus Test - Even Ronald Reagan Would Fail It! - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

 

[sangha]

That was an interesting exchange and eemonstrated the difference in the thinking of a Liberal vs a Conservative. Rush's response was not really included except in the few words between the statements of the caller.

When Reagan came to office, the country was a mess. When he was re-elected, he came within .18% of the votes in Minnesota of carrying every state in the union. There has never been a more decisive victory in history. The caller may or may not have known this, but it strikes any challenge to the impact Reagan had on the country moot.

Reagan changed the way that Americans thought about themselves and about the country. This conversion of attitude crossed party lines, economic stratas, race, religion and gender. He ushered in the period of the "Peace Dividend" that cut back military spending and helped to lead to the boom times of the 90's.

The caller called out various details that the Right likes to use as litmus tests. He set up the false gambit that if this is true than that is true. If these are the tennets of the Right then Reagan cannot be a hero of the Right because he did not champion these petty issues.

In truth, Reagan was a hero to the country and the country knew it. .18% of the vote in Minnesota is all that kept Reagan from carrying every state in the union. His opponent was from Minnesota and he almost did not carry his own state.

What might we gleen from this?

So wait. Because Reagan carried almost every state, that makes every single criticism about him "moot"? (1)

On top of that, he cut military spending? What? (2)

Domestic policy of the Ronald Reagan administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Domestic policy - Ronald Reagan - election

But Reagan, in fact, increased spending too. He proposed an enormous increase in the military budget ($1.5 trillion over five years) to rebuild armed forces that he claimed had been allowed to deteriorate badly in the 1970s. Congress approved that increase, although it was later scaled back significantly.

If you would care to respond to what I said, then do so. If you would like to respond to voices echoing in your own head, then why quote me?

1. Not every criticism is stiken moot. He did that whole Contra thing and he did raise taxes and blah, blah, blah. Who cares? Were you there?

When Carter left office, the word on the street was that the USA was finished. The Japanese were taking over and we were a footnote in history. No international respect, no ideas, no passion and no future. Plenty of rust and plenty of bloat.

When Reagan left office, the USA was the pre eminent Super Power and was poised to reconstruct the economy of the world using computers.

2. Reagan did not cut defense spending. By uping the ante in the weapons race, the Russians had to cash out their chips. When Reagan talked about the SDI, the Russians thought it was ready to deploy.

How does"ushered in the era of" and "cut" translate as synonomous in your language?

1) The caller didn't criticize Regan, The caller asked why wingnuts support a president who gave amnesty to illegals, cut and run in Lebanon, raised taxes and negotiated with terrorists. Election results don't make the question moot. The only thing you did is render yourself mute when it comes to answering the question

That's because wingnuts are scared of the answer. That's why you won't answer the question either

2) There haven't been any cuts to the miliatary. The "Peace Dividend" you referred to never materialized. Your claims of military cuts are a fiction

 

[sangha]

Reagan didn't back amnesty he got played by the sleaze bag in congress.
He was a punk in the ME.

Ah, the old Blame Congress gambit. So, Reagan got played, eh?

Like the caller, you obviously don't understand Reagan

Reagans' tendency to be duped by congress is another sign of his GREATNESS!!

 

[Political Junky]

Rush was a blubbering fool. He couldn't come close to answering the question the caller asked.
The call is word for word from Rush and a caller. Cons don't like to be confronted with audio or video of their own bullshit, which is what Media Matters does.

 

[Flopper]

I think Reagan was a hero to conservatives because he told them exactly what they wanted to hear. Cut government spending since we know government is wasteful and evil. Then we won't need high taxes. More money in the hands of the wealthy, will mean more investments which creates more jobs. More jobs means more government revenue from taxes. Then we can cut taxes again and everything just gets better and better. Just like a perpetual motion machine. Hell what's not like.

 

[Avatar4321]

This is exactly why I don't think we should exalt Reagan. He was a great President and did much to further the Conservative agenda, but we shouldn't ignore the mistakes he made either. Immigration being one of them. Reagan's mistake is exactly why we don't pass an amnesty again. Because we cant trust anyone in washington to actually fix the problem after such an amnesty.

It's one of the things I got annoyed with in the 2008 Rep Primary. Everyone was trying to pretend to be Reagan rather than being themselves.

We need to be looking forward, not back. We can appreciate the achievements he made. Particularly how we wouldn't be where we are now if not for eliminating the Unconstitutional Fairness doctrine. We need to build on the good things Reagan did and improve on the things he didn't do as well. But we can't do that if we aren't honest about them.

Reagan is a conservative hero because he brought hope back to alot of people who saw the nation being destroyed during the Carter administration. He is a hero because he articulated the concepts of limited government in a way that many people understood.

Unfortunately, he also did things that weren't up to those ideals. But id rather someone have the correct ideals and fail to live them than someone pretend the ideals dont exist or actively fight against them.

 

[Two Thumbs]

This is the 2nd Reagan post in as many days.

What's with the Reagan Derangement Syndrom?

Are you all pissed off that some people cared about his birthday? Or are you out of ways to back big 0 and you're doing this to make yourselves feel better about having been duped by big 0?

Lebanon? Damn, if we had gone in you fucks would be calling him a war monger for having done so.

Remember Libya and "The Line of Death"? Recall the "Surgical removal of terrorist encampments"?

no?

of course not

 

[Varth Dader]

By the way, this is the great work of a guy named Mike Stark.

Mike Stark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mad Scientist]

This is the 2nd Reagan post in as many days.

What's with the Reagan Derangement Syndrom?

The DNC gave marching orders to their minions to exalt Reagan and compare Obama favorably to him in the run up to the 2012 elections and from what I can tell, most of them are up in arms about it.

I think the big problem is that Reagan loved America and the Obama-Bots don't.