California rooftop solar plunges 90%

[Mac-7]

Socialists are usually greenies too

And if so they like solar when taxpayer foot part of their bill

But low income citizens get no subsidies so solar is only for the rich

Which is counter intuitive for the lib brain

 

[progressive hunter]

Socialists are usually greenies too

And if so they like solar when taxpayer foot part of their bill

But low income citizens get no subsidies so solar is only for the rich

Which is counter intuitive for the lib brain

here in missouri there isnt a economic standard to get subsidies,,
they are the same for everyone,,

next thing youre going to tell me is rich people pay lower tax rate than poor people,,

 

[marvin martian]

agreed,,
but I would like to see the energy companies paying some or most of the bill,,

there are to many logical applications to say its all a scam like so many insist on doing,,

That doesn't make sense. Why would energy companies pay the bill? That's like saying when you order room service at a hotel, the hotel should pay for it.

 

[Mac-7]

here in missouri there isnt a economic standard to get subsidies,,
they are the same for everyone,,

next thing youre going to tell me is rich people pay lower tax rate than poor people,,

The biggest subsidy is the federal tax credit

The same deal that EVs get

And that does not help the low incomes

 

[progressive hunter]

That doesn't make sense. Why would energy companies pay the bill? That's like saying when you order room service at a hotel, the hotel should pay for it.

theyre the ones really benefitting from it,,
less wear and rear on their main systems along with reduced fuel costs to run them,,

and would pretty much end peak overload shutdowns and rolling blackouts,,

for the consumer it takes decades to recoup the costs,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The biggest subsidy is the federal tax credit

The same deal that EVs get

And that does not help the low incomes

they still have the same access as the rest of us,,

 

[Mac-7]

they still have the same access as the rest of us,,

How to you give a tax credit to low income households that dont pay federal taxes?

 

[progressive hunter]

How to you give a tax credit to low income households that dont pay federal taxes?

you can thank democrats and republicans for that conundrum,,

 

[marvin martian]

theyre the ones really benefitting from it,,
less wear and rear on their main systems along with reduced fuel costs to run them,,

and would pretty much end peak overload shutdowns and rolling blackouts,,

for the consumer it takes decades to recoup the costs,,

There's no benefit to the utility companies. They would be replacing one system that requires maintenance with another system that requires maintenance. And the replacement cost would be enormous.

 

[progressive hunter]

There's no benefit to the utility companies. They would be replacing one system that requires maintenance with another system that requires maintenance. And the replacement cost would be enormous.

I dont believe you,,

maintenance on solar panels amounts to a hose and scrub brush,,
the home owner can do that,,

 

[The Duke]

It went just like Obama's green energy initiative, when the subsidies dry up, it's done.

 

[marvin martian]

I dont believe you,,

maintenance on solar panels amounts to a hose and scrub brush,,
the home owner can do that,,

I see you know very little about these systems. That explains your overly simplistic view of the whole issue.

Good luck with that.

 

[progressive hunter]

I see you know very little about these systems. That explains your overly simplistic view of the whole issue.

Good luck with that.

and yet you cant explain what I got wrong,,,

 

[marvin martian]

and yet you cant explain what I got wrong,,,

You're WAY underestimating the costs of maintenance and installation of large solar fields.

Do a little research.

 

[progressive hunter]

You're WAY underestimating the costs of maintenance and installation of large solar fields.

Do a little research.

well for one I am not talking about large solar fields,,,

and you still havent said what I got wrong,,

I just had a system priced for my house and according to them comes with a 30 yr warranty and the only maintenance is keeping the panels clean,,

what did I get wrong??

 

[justoffal]

I'd like to see more rooftop solar on multi-family rental properties (large and small apartment complexes), with tenants paying increased rent to cover the cost of installation and maintenance of the panels. Then, their electric bills will be lower. Same with hotels, with increased rates to cover the costs.

Ultimately it's a wash. They call it renewable completely ignoring the fact that the machinery degrades and needs to be replaced. So instead of consuming hydrocarbon you're consuming silica products. I don't know how that stacks up on cost comparison. I do know that the laws of thermodynamics preclude anything that's truly renewable because there's always some form of consumption.

 

[progressive hunter]

Ultimately it's a wash. They call it renewable completely ignoring the fact that the machinery degrades and needs to be replaced. So instead of consuming hydrocarbon you're consuming silica products. I don't know how that stacks up on cost comparison. I do know that the laws of thermodynamics preclude anything that's truly renewable because there's always some form of consumption.

I bet you had to work on wording that to take it completely out of context,,

renewable means you dont have to continuously feed it with fuel,,

 

[Stryder50]

theyre the ones really benefitting from it,,
less wear and rear on their main systems along with reduced fuel costs to run them,,

and would pretty much end peak overload shutdowns and rolling blackouts,,

for the consumer it takes decades to recoup the costs,,

The consumer/electric company customers are paying the costs via added rates to their bill.
Did you flunk basic economics ole wise one?

 

[progressive hunter]

The consumer/electric company customers are paying the costs via added rates to their bill.
Did you flunk basic economics ole wise one?

around here our bills didnt go up with solar,, they went down,,

 

[marvin martian]

well for one I am not talking about large solar fields,,,

and you still havent said what I got wrong,,

I just had a system priced for my house and according to them comes with a 30 yr warranty and the only maintenance is keeping the panels clean,,

what did I get wrong??

You're confusing residential with commercial.

Go get your residential solar, and keep the panels clean. And if there are problems with the mountings, switches, transmission lines, hook-ups to your service panel, breakers, or panel hardware, don't worry about it, it's not part of the "maintenance". LOL