California Democrats want businesses to give half their tax-cut savings to state

[Bush92]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

More fake headlines from the Trump zealots!

Two people introduce a bill and in the world of the partisan zealots that means that things "MUST" happen.

The fact you have to put lies in your headlines shows just what a lack of morals and content you have

You think “Governor Moonbat” won’t support it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

More fake headlines from the Trump zealots!

Two people introduce a bill and in the world of the partisan zealots that means that things "MUST" happen.

The fact you have to put lies in your headlines shows just what a lack of morals and content you have

You think “Governor Moonbat” won’t support it?

Hey bush92 can you even comprehend what these posters are writing?

I can't the year is 2017 they act like it's 1952.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

So....

List of U.S. states and territories by unemployment rate - Wikipedia

unemployment rates by state.

1. Alaska at 7.2%. Republican Senate, House has more Republicans than any other party.
2. New Mexico at 6.3% Republican Governor,
3. Ohio at 5.4% Republican Governor, Senate, House
4. Kentucky at 5.4% Republican Governor, Senate, House
5. Mississippi at 5.3% Republican Governor, Senate, House
6. Louisiana at 5.2% Republican House and Senate
7. California.

Well, looks like 5 out of 6 of the top states for unemployment are basically Republican. Three of them have a Republican sweep of the Governor, House and Senate.

Yeah, Republican politics work amazingly.

Wikipedia...Lol.

Is the information wrong?

Look, I'm not going to spend an hour collating all the information and putting it together for a person like you who wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

If you think the information is wrong, you're welcome to try and attack this.

However wikipedia takes its information from other sources, which are presented.

The information comes from the BLS

Current Unemployment Rates for States and Historical Highs/Lows

Lol.

 

[dcbl]

Urban areas often have such problems in any country, but in the US it's much more of a problem. Why?

I think it has more to do with the shortage of quality men stepping up as leaders in the black community and the sad state of affairs for family life in that segment of our population

From less involvement and concern from parents with their kids at school; to the amazingly higher percentage of single parent households

I get it, it's hard to be actively invloved with your kids education when you are worried about making the rent, paying the light bill and often working 2 jobs

But stronger families and more role models that spend time with kids would be a great place to start

Blacks especially suffered racial segregation, intimidation and exclusion. Trump was denying black people the chance to live in his apartments.

Meh, not a Trump issue, that was a standard practice through the early 70's

On the segregation, intimidation, etc...

I don't deny that these things were a part of our culture, I just don't agree that it has anything to do with the problems we see today

Look at Asian communities or even Mexicans; those groups dealt with the same thing, the difference as to why they were (and are) able to succeed is that they have an amazing sense of community and tend to lift each other up and help each other when they can

A Vietnamese business owner will almost always buy from a Vietnamese vendor when he has a choice, same with Mexicans

They do what they can to create opportunities for each other and lift up those around them whenever they can.

The same holds true for Jewish folks, but I left them out of this example because it is typically easier for them to assimilate in "white America" (excluding Orthodox Jews) - but no group has been persecuted more than Jewish people throughout history, even here in the US; yet no group has excelled like they have

You want a loan, oh, sorry, we don't give to black people. You want to start a business, sorry, we're not going to buy your products. An it's led to a bunch of people who lost hope that they'll ever amount to anything, and a cycle keep going.

I don't think this is true to any real extent today, if anything, it is"cool" to do business with blacks in many circles

And just to make sure I don't disappoint... Leftist policies that encourage a perpetual state of dependence on the government are doing more harm than good

 

[frigidweirdo]

Urban areas often have such problems in any country, but in the US it's much more of a problem. Why?

I think it has more to do with the shortage of quality men stepping up as leaders in the black community and the sad state of affairs for family life in that segment of our population

From less involvement and concern from parents with their kids at school; to the amazingly higher percentage of single parent households

I get it, it's hard to be actively invloved with your kids education when you are worried about making the rent, paying the light bill and often working 2 jobs

But stronger families and more role models that spend time with kids would be a great place to start

Blacks especially suffered racial segregation, intimidation and exclusion. Trump was denying black people the chance to live in his apartments.

Meh, not a Trump issue, that was a standard practice through the early 70's

On the segregation, intimidation, etc...

I don't deny that these things were a part of our culture, I just don't agree that it has anything to do with the problems we see today

Look at Asian communities or even Mexicans; those groups dealt with the same thing, the difference as to why they were (and are) able to succeed is that they have an amazing sense of community and tend to lift each other up and help each other when they can

A Vietnamese business owner will almost always buy from a Vietnamese vendor when he has a choice, same with Mexicans

They do what they can to create opportunities for each other and lift up those around them whenever they can.

The same holds true for Jewish folks, but I left them out of this example because it is typically easier for them to assimilate in "white America" (excluding Orthodox Jews) - but no group has been persecuted more than Jewish people throughout history, even here in the US; yet no group has excelled like they have

You want a loan, oh, sorry, we don't give to black people. You want to start a business, sorry, we're not going to buy your products. An it's led to a bunch of people who lost hope that they'll ever amount to anything, and a cycle keep going.

I don't think this is true to any real extent today, if anything, it is"cool" to do business with blacks in many circles

And just to make sure I don't disappoint... Leftist policies that encourage a perpetual state of dependence on the government are doing more harm than good

The problem is that you're pushing the blame again. Society needs to deal with the problems of society. The US isn't doing that.

No, Asians and Mexicans did not deal with the same thing. They did not deal with a history of slavery.

Yes, there have been different groups in the US who have managed to come out of a certain amount of problems and blacks still struggle, but when you have a problem in society and you ignore it, it doesn't go away.

You talk about stronger families. The right say you need a strong family and then go and make sure that families break up because they're trying to make labor as cheap as possible. They claim one thing, then do the opposite. Then blame black people for having lots of single parent families.

First, I didn't say it was a Trump issue. I was using it as an example. As for standard practice in the 1970s, well, doesn't that go to show the difficulties for black people in a post-segregation world in a state which never had it in the first place? Black people could NOT live in areas with good schools, they could not do this that or the other, and then people blame THEM for the problems.

You say Mexicans succeed. Well, Hispanics and blacks have a similar poverty rate of about 25%. Some blacks have succeeded. The issue is a general one.

I'm not going to defend the left. The Republicans and Democrats are both to blame. They keep a system which doesn't benefit the people, but the rich, and the poor can go fuck themselves.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

More fake headlines from the Trump zealots!

Two people introduce a bill and in the world of the partisan zealots that means that things "MUST" happen.

The fact you have to put lies in your headlines shows just what a lack of morals and content you have

You think “Governor Moonbat” won’t support it?

I think it has not gotten anywhere near his desk yet. So, again no matter how you spin it, your "headline" was fake news.

 

[dcbl]

The problem is that you're pushing the blame again. Society needs to deal with the problems of society. The US isn't doing that.

I'd like to see the conversation tilt towards accepting responsibility rather than assigning blame

stronger and more involved families is an obvious good thing; seems that you agree with this? kids in 2 family homes typically do better and have a better chance to succeed

so the question is, what can be done to encourage this positive change?

You talk about stronger families. The right say you need a strong family and then go and make sure that families break up because they're trying to make labor as cheap as possible. They claim one thing, then do the opposite. Then blame black people for having lots of single parent families.

what?

how does the right "make sure" that families are broken up?

are you talking about deporting people that have American kids?

and making labor cheap? are you talking about resistance to a $15 minimum wage, or are you saying that we need to get tougher on deporting illegals?

most blacks are for stronger borders and tougher deportation policies, and that makes sense as illegals compete with them for lower skilled jobs more often and more directly

higher minimum wages tend to reduce the number of jobs in depressed communities; seems to me we'd be better off with more job training, especially in tech related fields

I don't have a problem with Mexicans, but I remain frustrated with illegal immigration because it not only creates greater strain on our resources (welfare, health & education); but also because it exacerbates the problems in lower income communities

 

[Indeependent]

There is no detail to be found and you keep deflecting by stating no one asked for detail.
Your original rebuttal consisted of anything but a government site, so you lied.
The new sites have no detail just like the first sites.

I did not lie, I did not say they were from a government site, I said they were government statistics. Which they are.

You're right, you didn't lie but I provided impetus for further research and you pretty much told me to fuck off.

Yes, I told you to fuck off. You and your fellow zealot made a claim and then asked me to prove your claim was true. That is stupid. If you make a claim, you back up, you do not ask others to do it for you.

We explained why any claim has to be researched.
You just happen to be an ideologue.

I agree with you that such a claim needs to be researched. My only question is why did you make a claim that you are too lazy to research?

I don't need to do the research as I'm very good friends with this guy and speak to him at least an hour a week.
He knows pretty much what's going on all over the world.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem is that you're pushing the blame again. Society needs to deal with the problems of society. The US isn't doing that.

I'd like to see the conversation tilt towards accepting responsibility rather than assigning blame

stronger and more involved families is an obvious good thing; seems that you agree with this? kids in 2 family homes typically do better and have a better chance to succeed

so the question is, what can be done to encourage this positive change?

You talk about stronger families. The right say you need a strong family and then go and make sure that families break up because they're trying to make labor as cheap as possible. They claim one thing, then do the opposite. Then blame black people for having lots of single parent families.

what?

how does the right "make sure" that families are broken up?

are you talking about deporting people that have American kids?

and making labor cheap? are you talking about resistance to a $15 minimum wage, or are you saying that we need to get tougher on deporting illegals?

most blacks are for stronger borders and tougher deportation policies, and that makes sense as illegals compete with them for lower skilled jobs more often and more directly

higher minimum wages tend to reduce the number of jobs in depressed communities; seems to me we'd be better off with more job training, especially in tech related fields

I don't have a problem with Mexicans, but I remain frustrated with illegal immigration because it not only creates greater strain on our resources (welfare, health & education); but also because it exacerbates the problems in lower income communities

Well, the bigger problem is that under the current political system, the politicians aren't going to try and figure out the intelligent way of solving these problems. Everything seems to come back to the way people vote. You don't change anything unless you change this.

How do they end up causing the break up of the family?

Well, the US has one of the highest divorce rates in the world.

Divorce demography - Wikipedia
Apparently, according to this, Russia has the highest, the US is 5th, but the US has a much lower marriage rate to begin with.

Countries With The Highest Divorce Rates In The World

Here the US is joint 5th.

Why? Russia is a country with a right wing guy totally in charge of the country. Belarus is the same. Why does the US have such a high rate? Could it be that its politics are much further to the right than all these other first world nations? If not then what?

Denmark is the next highest 1st world country at 2.9 compared to 3.2 for the US according to the wikipedia info.
Finland and Sweden at 2.5
The UK has a rate of 1.9.

Here's my anecdote.

I was working with a girl from Nebraska. We were hanging out one day many years ago. 2000 I think. Brad Pitt and Jennifer Annison were getting married. I said "It's not a matter of when they're getting married, it's a matter of when they get divorced." This girl went mental, saying how people got married and basically lived happily ever after. People were happy when they got married.

From someone for one of the worst countries for divorce in the world.

Who was realistic? I was, they got divorced. Her view of marriage was unrealistic. Where did this view come from? Probably from the 1950s version of marriage that was peddled back in those days, and still is today. That people get married and are happy. You don't need to work at the marriage, it's just happy.

People trying to impose their ideology on people, rather than accepting reality, and this causes the problems.

Partisan politics is destroying the US. Problems don't get solved.

 

[dcbl]

I did not lie, I did not say they were from a government site, I said they were government statistics. Which they are.

You're right, you didn't lie but I provided impetus for further research and you pretty much told me to fuck off.

Yes, I told you to fuck off. You and your fellow zealot made a claim and then asked me to prove your claim was true. That is stupid. If you make a claim, you back up, you do not ask others to do it for you.

We explained why any claim has to be researched.
You just happen to be an ideologue.

I agree with you that such a claim needs to be researched. My only question is why did you make a claim that you are too lazy to research?

I don't need to do the research as I'm very good friends with this guy and speak to him at least an hour a week.
He knows pretty much what's going on all over the world.

let it go

this guy is obviously not interested in conversation - he is only good for trolling

everything is an insult, and when he gets his ass handed to him he has a tantrum

kind of sad really

 

[dcbl]

Why? Russia is a country with a right wing guy totally in charge of the country. Belarus is the same. Why does the US have such a high rate? Could it be that its politics are much further to the right than all these other first world nations? If not then what?

you have lost me here

I agree, you were right in your conversation with that girl

but "right wing" or right leaning politics has nothing to do with divorce - I see it as a part of the breakdown of morality and stepping away from personal responsibility

if anything, we were more "right wing" and conservative in the 1950's - divorce rates were much lower.

the studies I am looking at show that the lower the education, the higher the divorce rate & that blacks & hispanics are more likely than whites and asians to divorce (asians being the least likely)

couple that with mothers that never even got married in black communities & boom

2 family homes with a mom and a dad are not just better for kids because of the morality & support - the practical implication is that traditional families almost always have more financial stability

to your point; blacks tend to vote liberal and have the highest divorce rates (and lower numbers getting married in the 1st place)

I just don't see this as a conservative or liberal issue though

 

[Bush92]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

So....

List of U.S. states and territories by unemployment rate - Wikipedia

unemployment rates by state.

1. Alaska at 7.2%. Republican Senate, House has more Republicans than any other party.
2. New Mexico at 6.3% Republican Governor,
3. Ohio at 5.4% Republican Governor, Senate, House
4. Kentucky at 5.4% Republican Governor, Senate, House
5. Mississippi at 5.3% Republican Governor, Senate, House
6. Louisiana at 5.2% Republican House and Senate
7. California.

Well, looks like 5 out of 6 of the top states for unemployment are basically Republican. Three of them have a Republican sweep of the Governor, House and Senate.

Yeah, Republican politics work amazingly.

now do the big cities in each of those states and look at their rates and who runs them

except Alaska; I will grant you that, but anyone in Alaska that isn't working isn't trying...

Albuquerque NM...UE of 5.5% Mayor is a member of the Dem party

Columbus Ohio...UE rate of 3.9% Mayor is a member of the Dem party

Louisville Ky, UE rate also of 3.9%...Mayor is a member of the Dem party

I think I will stop now. Thanks for playing.

Well, had a little time to kill while my coffee was brewing...

Jackson Miss...UE of 4.8. Mayor is a member of the Dem party

New Orleans La...UE of 5.4 Mayor is a member of the Dem party

Red state and red state. Jackson has casino’s and New Orleans is tourism.

 

[Bush92]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

More fake headlines from the Trump zealots!

Two people introduce a bill and in the world of the partisan zealots that means that things "MUST" happen.

The fact you have to put lies in your headlines shows just what a lack of morals and content you have

/——/ You admit it’s true then accuse me of putting lies on the headline.

Are you Bush92 also? Did you just out yourself? that is funny as hell!

New Orleans is fucked-up by Democrats...former mayor Ray-Ray “Chocolate City” Nagin is in a jail cell for embezzlement and the levees failed during Katrina because of him. Landriue is a grandstanding dickhead.

 

[Bush92]

Corrupt Robber Barons.

How many times have The People of California voted on referendums and how many times has The Deep State of California totally ignored the outcome of those votes by the People of California and instead made the wishes of the Elitist governor (Dictator) and The wealthy law?

Ignore the BS from these two Chavista "legistators". This tax bill is all about continuing the funding of Democrat corruption.

Sooner or later, people are gonna get sick of the abuse. If they strung up Moonbeam and his traitor co-conspirators like the Italians did Mussolini it would be totally justified.

RESIST! Take back California from the Communist swine!!!

California Split Into Six Separate States

Californians CLEARLY voted to bring a referendum to California voters in 2016 to divide California into 6 states.
1.3 MILLION signatures were gathered.

The California Secretary of State rejected the signatures claiming "There were not enough".
"Six Californias" Initiative (2016) - Ballotpedia

California is run EXACTLY the same as the Maduro Dictatorship in Venezuela....

By the Dictator....For the Dictator....Fuck The People
It's time for Californians to realize they live in a dictatorship.

Of course, ignorant jackasses who lick dictator's boots will find this serious matter funny.
To them, pissing on Americans is hilarious.

I am from Illinois (now live in a red state...thank you God) and used to live in California. I have seen the corruption of the Democratic Party machines first hand.

 

[Bush92]

We know that as goes California and New York States...the national party will soon follow. No wonder blue states can’t attract jobs.
California Democrats want some businesses to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

Shouldn't your thread title say '2 Democrats in California want businesses to fork over half tax cut savings to state'?

No it should say “typical” Democrats.

 

[Thinker101]

Corrupt Robber Barons.

How many times have The People of California voted on referendums and how many times has The Deep State of California totally ignored the outcome of those votes by the People of California and instead made the wishes of the Elitist governor (Dictator) and The wealthy law?

Ignore the BS from these two Chavista "legistators". This tax bill is all about continuing the funding of Democrat corruption.

Sooner or later, people are gonna get sick of the abuse. If they strung up Moonbeam and his traitor co-conspirators like the Italians did Mussolini it would be totally justified.

RESIST! Take back California from the Communist swine!!!

California Split Into Six Separate States

Californians CLEARLY voted to bring a referendum to California voters in 2016 to divide California into 6 states.
1.3 MILLION signatures were gathered.

The California Secretary of State rejected the signatures claiming "There were not enough".
"Six Californias" Initiative (2016) - Ballotpedia

California is run EXACTLY the same as the Maduro Dictatorship in Venezuela....

By the Dictator....For the Dictator....Fuck The People
It's time for Californians to realize they live in a dictatorship.

Of course, ignorant jackasses who lick dictator's boots will find this serious matter funny.
To them, pissing on Americans is hilarious.

I am from Illinois (now live in a red state...thank you God) and used to live in California. I have seen the corruption of the Democratic Party machines first hand.

Tell me about it. I'm live in California, currently in N.C., my first trip to check out a new state.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You're right, you didn't lie but I provided impetus for further research and you pretty much told me to fuck off.

Yes, I told you to fuck off. You and your fellow zealot made a claim and then asked me to prove your claim was true. That is stupid. If you make a claim, you back up, you do not ask others to do it for you.

We explained why any claim has to be researched.
You just happen to be an ideologue.

I agree with you that such a claim needs to be researched. My only question is why did you make a claim that you are too lazy to research?

I don't need to do the research as I'm very good friends with this guy and speak to him at least an hour a week.
He knows pretty much what's going on all over the world.

let it go

this guy is obviously not interested in conversation - he is only good for trolling

everything is an insult, and when he gets his ass handed to him he has a tantrum

kind of sad really

look little boy, I gave you exactly what you asked for in your little challenge.

Then you and your butt boy came back and said the numbers I gave did not tell the whole story. This may or may not be true, but either way it is not my job to support your claims.

If you were to actually provide some support for your claim I would be happy to discuss it and if your claim was correct I would be more than happy to say so.

But this bullshit of it being my job to support your claim is just stupid and shows that you are just full of shit and have not clue what you are talking about.

 

[dcbl]

look little boy, I gave you exactly what you asked for in your little challenge.

you're hilarious

what are we on now - 4, 5 pages of a tantrum?

you really are bothered by being shown to be wrong

almost impressive to see someone whine this much

 

[Harpy Eagle]

look little boy, I gave you exactly what you asked for in your little challenge.

you're hilarious

what are we on now - 4, 5 pages of a tantrum?

you really are bothered by being shown to be wrong

almost impressive to see someone whine this much

I want you to show me I am wrong, I have been begging you and your fellow zealot to show me I am wrong, but you will not do it.

Why is that?

Do you think I am just going to take the word of some 40 year old living in his parents basement talking shit on the internet?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why? Russia is a country with a right wing guy totally in charge of the country. Belarus is the same. Why does the US have such a high rate? Could it be that its politics are much further to the right than all these other first world nations? If not then what?

you have lost me here

I agree, you were right in your conversation with that girl

but "right wing" or right leaning politics has nothing to do with divorce - I see it as a part of the breakdown of morality and stepping away from personal responsibility

if anything, we were more "right wing" and conservative in the 1950's - divorce rates were much lower.

the studies I am looking at show that the lower the education, the higher the divorce rate & that blacks & hispanics are more likely than whites and asians to divorce (asians being the least likely)

couple that with mothers that never even got married in black communities & boom

2 family homes with a mom and a dad are not just better for kids because of the morality & support - the practical implication is that traditional families almost always have more financial stability

to your point; blacks tend to vote liberal and have the highest divorce rates (and lower numbers getting married in the 1st place)

I just don't see this as a conservative or liberal issue though

You see it as a breakdown of morality. I don't. It's not that I disagree with what you're saying, it's that I think there's more to it than that.

First is the breakdown of traditional structures.

Russia, Belarus, Lithuania, Moldova were all part of the Soviet Union. A breakdown of the traditional family, massive upheaval during WW2 and the like over a 80 year period could be to explain.
But then there's the US. Was there a breakdown in the traditional? Potentially. Lots of people moved from lots of countries around the world, leaving behind mothers, fathers who would have become grandparents. This has happened over a very long period of time.

Then you've got Denmark as the next highest first world country. Denmark doesn't have this destruction so much.

So we move on to "liberalism". I don't think what people claim is liberalism that is the problem, potentially it's FREEDOM. Yes, in part freedom from the traditional "values" that have often kept marriages together.

The Philippines isn't on this list. Why not? Divorce is illegal. Do they keep their morals? No. They have the second highest murder rate in the region. They just force people to stay together. Ireland has divorce but it's restricted and only been in since 1997.

The lowest countries on the list are Chile, Catholic, restricted though not as much as Ireland's, but the legalization is much more modern.
There are some other Catholic countries. Also Sri Lanka, some Muslim countries.

The world has moved on, people don't want to stay in bad marriages where before they would have. With more free time, people have more chances of hating their spouse. With independence of women there's more chance they can financially move from a bad marriage.

It's not immorality that is causing divorce, it's freedom and a growing strength of women not to take any crap from asshole men who have a tendency of getting drunk and beating their wives.

Personally I think it's a good thing people can get divorced, and that they do. Yes, I'd prefer that people put more thought into their marriage, more effort into their marriage, and more education before they get married so that people can learn to be tolerant. In the US intolerance is rife. Parents are saying that tolerance is government "indoctrination". Countries that are more likely to have racism problems might also have higher divorce rates, maybe, I'm suggesting this but I think to prove it would take a lot of effort. But Russia is certainly a racist place, the US has racist problems. However it doesn't account for everything. It might mean a 0.5% more divorce rate or something. Reasons for divorce can be quite complex.

Divorce was lower in the 1950s, but that was because women had less freedoms back then. The more free they become, the more divorce rates rise.



The question is how do you make people more able to cope with marriage and make it work?

1) tell them it's hard, it's important rather than telling them it's a fairy tale.
2) Teach them tolerance. Teach them how to understand others and their quirks, that they should expect this.
3) teach them about marriage, that men may feel like they want to cheat, but that TRUST is the most important thing. You break trust, you break the relationship and unless you're willing to get this trust, then you might as well not bother.

Deal with reality. Educate.