CAIR Launches Website Exposing America's 'Islamophobia Network'

[Unkotare]

Can you become Japanese? Can a Muslim from Nigeria also become a Japanese person?

Are you really incapable of distinguishing citizenship from ethnicity?

 

[Rikurzhen]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

Least tolerant of what?

Tolerance towards homosexuals? Muslim communities in general tend to be conservative on matters of sex and are among the least tolerant towards gay rights. Opinion polls generally support that. However, I think it's important to recognize that this level of tolerance is not a long standing British value - it's one that has gained ground slowly and painfully and much of the non-western world lags behind as do traditionally religious groups. That doesn't mean that greater tolerance isn't possible, won't happen or isn't happening now or that pressure shouldn't be applied to push for greater tolerance and recognition of homosexuals and their rights.

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality says poll UK news theguardian.com

The survey, the Gallup Coexist Index 2009, concluded that while European Muslims not only accepted but welcomed the freedoms, democratic institutions, justice, and human rights that characterised their societies, their perceived lack of integration was often explained by their rejection of liberal, sexual mores.

It said: "Some researchers point out that the greatest differences between Muslims and westerners lie more in eros than demos. In other words, the Muslim-west gap rests on differences in attitudes toward sexual liberalisation and gender issues rather than democracy and governance.

On the other hand, there are other types of intolerance. For example religious intolerance.

Some interesting perspectives on tolerance in Britain:

From June 2014: Who Is More Likely To Be Ashamed To Be British - Scots Or Muslims

Scottish people are more likely than Muslims to say they are not proud to be British, a new poll has found, but the research also showed some non-religious Brits still believe that Muslims should not celebrate their religion openly.

Sixty-three per cent of British Muslims declare themselves proud to be British, while the number who do not share that pride is just 13% – less than the 17% of Scots who say the same.

According to the YouGov opinion poll on behalf of the charity Islamic Relief to mark the beginning of Ramadan, a quarter of non-Muslims believe that the holy month should not be openly celebrated in this country.

“This poll paints a very different picture of the British Muslim community from the extremist caricature that is sometimes peddled by certain politicians and in some sections of the media,” Channel 4 broadcaster Jon Snow said at the charity's fundraising dinner Thursday night.

"Seventy per cent of British Muslims say they believe in 'freedom, tolerance of others, accepting personal and social responsibility, and respecting and upholding the rule of law' – the core values of Britishness as recently defined by David Cameron – while a tiny 6% do not.”

....The survey results come just days after thousands of young British Muslim men from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association took part in a rally to defend British values and promising to reject recruitment into radical groups.

Has Islam-bashing tarnished ‘tolerant Britain?’

Yet all is not lost. The majority of the British population reject the UKIP line with around 62% seeing it as racist or attractive to racists. British Muslims are climbing the ladder to the top in most professions increasingly engaged in British public life. But UKIP’s popularity, fleeting or not, should not be ignored and its anti-Islamic, xenophobic rhetoric properly shown up for what it is. It is a warning shot both to the Muslim community that for its own sake needs leadership and strategy to move forward and to the political establishment that has still lamentably failed to engage maturely with British Muslims and ethnic minorities. The legitimate public concerns and fears that UKIP has profited from such as the future of the EU and mass immigration must be addressed but shorn of the racist hate-fest that too many of its core membership embrace.

Quarter of young British people do not trust Muslims - BBC Newsbeat

Of the 1,000 young people questioned, 28% said Britain would be better off with fewer Muslims, while 44% said Muslims did not share the same values as the rest of the population.

Attitudes to Muslims British Religion in Numbers
Another article exploring views on the aftermath of the youtube film "Innocence of Muslims". While a lot of attention has been paid to the Muslim outrage and calls for banning the film and prosecuting the maker of it as examples of Islamic intolerance in Britain, a substantial number of British express a similar view.

Britain as a whole is an extremely diverse and tolerant society and it appears that it's Muslim population reflects that tolerance with the notable exception of attitudes towards homosexuality. They appear to be tolerant of other religions, largely British in culture, attitudes and views towards governance. There are always going to be examples of intolerance (cue - honor killing article) but it doesn't seem to jive with the claim of "least tolerant by far" of others and their views and religions. The other aspect to consider is that Britain's Muslims come from a vast array of immigrant cultures covering Asia, N Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe - each of whom bring with them their own cultural background and have been in Britain for differing lengths of time. Is it accurate to paint them as one homogenous group?

Are you a member of Nation of Islam?

You were calling people "crackers" in another thread.



Speaking of intolerance, however, 2/3 of British Muslims want criticism of Islam to be an offense punishable by law.

How is that less tolerant than those calling for a ban on the veil in Britain? (beyond the common sense in certain occupations)?

Because calling for a ban is in defense of British culture and calling for a ban on criticism of Islam is in defense of a foreign religion that has no roots in British culture.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

]

What? I called people crackers? I don't think I've ever done that - link please.

Do you have a link to that claim 2/3 want criticism of Islam to be punishable?

How is that less tolerant than those calling for a ban on the veil in Britain? (beyond the common sense in certain occupations)?

My mistake on the cracker comment. It was Guno. My apologies for the mistake.

The 2/3 figure comes from Pew research. It is part of the polling figures that reveal that 40% of British Muslims want Sharia to rule the land.

Are you Muslim? You still have not answered.

 

[Coyote]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

Least tolerant of what?

Tolerance towards homosexuals? Muslim communities in general tend to be conservative on matters of sex and are among the least tolerant towards gay rights. Opinion polls generally support that. However, I think it's important to recognize that this level of tolerance is not a long standing British value - it's one that has gained ground slowly and painfully and much of the non-western world lags behind as do traditionally religious groups. That doesn't mean that greater tolerance isn't possible, won't happen or isn't happening now or that pressure shouldn't be applied to push for greater tolerance and recognition of homosexuals and their rights.

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality says poll UK news theguardian.com

The survey, the Gallup Coexist Index 2009, concluded that while European Muslims not only accepted but welcomed the freedoms, democratic institutions, justice, and human rights that characterised their societies, their perceived lack of integration was often explained by their rejection of liberal, sexual mores.

It said: "Some researchers point out that the greatest differences between Muslims and westerners lie more in eros than demos. In other words, the Muslim-west gap rests on differences in attitudes toward sexual liberalisation and gender issues rather than democracy and governance.

On the other hand, there are other types of intolerance. For example religious intolerance.

Some interesting perspectives on tolerance in Britain:

From June 2014: Who Is More Likely To Be Ashamed To Be British - Scots Or Muslims

Scottish people are more likely than Muslims to say they are not proud to be British, a new poll has found, but the research also showed some non-religious Brits still believe that Muslims should not celebrate their religion openly.

Sixty-three per cent of British Muslims declare themselves proud to be British, while the number who do not share that pride is just 13% – less than the 17% of Scots who say the same.

According to the YouGov opinion poll on behalf of the charity Islamic Relief to mark the beginning of Ramadan, a quarter of non-Muslims believe that the holy month should not be openly celebrated in this country.

“This poll paints a very different picture of the British Muslim community from the extremist caricature that is sometimes peddled by certain politicians and in some sections of the media,” Channel 4 broadcaster Jon Snow said at the charity's fundraising dinner Thursday night.

"Seventy per cent of British Muslims say they believe in 'freedom, tolerance of others, accepting personal and social responsibility, and respecting and upholding the rule of law' – the core values of Britishness as recently defined by David Cameron – while a tiny 6% do not.”

....The survey results come just days after thousands of young British Muslim men from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association took part in a rally to defend British values and promising to reject recruitment into radical groups.

Has Islam-bashing tarnished ‘tolerant Britain?’

Yet all is not lost. The majority of the British population reject the UKIP line with around 62% seeing it as racist or attractive to racists. British Muslims are climbing the ladder to the top in most professions increasingly engaged in British public life. But UKIP’s popularity, fleeting or not, should not be ignored and its anti-Islamic, xenophobic rhetoric properly shown up for what it is. It is a warning shot both to the Muslim community that for its own sake needs leadership and strategy to move forward and to the political establishment that has still lamentably failed to engage maturely with British Muslims and ethnic minorities. The legitimate public concerns and fears that UKIP has profited from such as the future of the EU and mass immigration must be addressed but shorn of the racist hate-fest that too many of its core membership embrace.

Quarter of young British people do not trust Muslims - BBC Newsbeat

Of the 1,000 young people questioned, 28% said Britain would be better off with fewer Muslims, while 44% said Muslims did not share the same values as the rest of the population.

Attitudes to Muslims British Religion in Numbers
Another article exploring views on the aftermath of the youtube film "Innocence of Muslims". While a lot of attention has been paid to the Muslim outrage and calls for banning the film and prosecuting the maker of it as examples of Islamic intolerance in Britain, a substantial number of British express a similar view.

Britain as a whole is an extremely diverse and tolerant society and it appears that it's Muslim population reflects that tolerance with the notable exception of attitudes towards homosexuality. They appear to be tolerant of other religions, largely British in culture, attitudes and views towards governance. There are always going to be examples of intolerance (cue - honor killing article) but it doesn't seem to jive with the claim of "least tolerant by far" of others and their views and religions. The other aspect to consider is that Britain's Muslims come from a vast array of immigrant cultures covering Asia, N Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe - each of whom bring with them their own cultural background and have been in Britain for differing lengths of time. Is it accurate to paint them as one homogenous group?

Are you a member of Nation of Islam?

You were calling people "crackers" in another thread.



Speaking of intolerance, however, 2/3 of British Muslims want criticism of Islam to be an offense punishable by law.

How is that less tolerant than those calling for a ban on the veil in Britain? (beyond the common sense in certain occupations)?

Because calling for a ban is in defense of British culture and calling for a ban on criticism of Islam is in defense of a foreign religion that has no roots in British culture.

In other words - you approve of intolerance towards other cultures, religions and views. Which...is...exactly what you are accusing British Muslims of.

 

[Coyote]

]

What? I called people crackers? I don't think I've ever done that - link please.

Do you have a link to that claim 2/3 want criticism of Islam to be punishable?

How is that less tolerant than those calling for a ban on the veil in Britain? (beyond the common sense in certain occupations)?

My mistake on the cracker comment. It was Guno. My apologies for the mistake.

The 2/3 figure comes from Pew research. It is part of the polling figures that reveal that 40% of British Muslims want Sharia to rule the land.

Are you Muslim? You still have not answered.

Can you provide a link to that poll? Pew is a good, reputable source - I'd like to see it in entirety.

As to whether I am a Muslim - what does that have to do with any discussion?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Can you become Japanese? Can a Muslim from Nigeria also become a Japanese person?

Are you really incapable of distinguishing citizenship from ethnicity?

Ethnicity:

British

Not British

 

[Rikurzhen]

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

Least tolerant of what?

Tolerance towards homosexuals? Muslim communities in general tend to be conservative on matters of sex and are among the least tolerant towards gay rights. Opinion polls generally support that. However, I think it's important to recognize that this level of tolerance is not a long standing British value - it's one that has gained ground slowly and painfully and much of the non-western world lags behind as do traditionally religious groups. That doesn't mean that greater tolerance isn't possible, won't happen or isn't happening now or that pressure shouldn't be applied to push for greater tolerance and recognition of homosexuals and their rights.

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality says poll UK news theguardian.com

The survey, the Gallup Coexist Index 2009, concluded that while European Muslims not only accepted but welcomed the freedoms, democratic institutions, justice, and human rights that characterised their societies, their perceived lack of integration was often explained by their rejection of liberal, sexual mores.

It said: "Some researchers point out that the greatest differences between Muslims and westerners lie more in eros than demos. In other words, the Muslim-west gap rests on differences in attitudes toward sexual liberalisation and gender issues rather than democracy and governance.

On the other hand, there are other types of intolerance. For example religious intolerance.

Some interesting perspectives on tolerance in Britain:

From June 2014: Who Is More Likely To Be Ashamed To Be British - Scots Or Muslims

Scottish people are more likely than Muslims to say they are not proud to be British, a new poll has found, but the research also showed some non-religious Brits still believe that Muslims should not celebrate their religion openly.

Sixty-three per cent of British Muslims declare themselves proud to be British, while the number who do not share that pride is just 13% – less than the 17% of Scots who say the same.

According to the YouGov opinion poll on behalf of the charity Islamic Relief to mark the beginning of Ramadan, a quarter of non-Muslims believe that the holy month should not be openly celebrated in this country.

“This poll paints a very different picture of the British Muslim community from the extremist caricature that is sometimes peddled by certain politicians and in some sections of the media,” Channel 4 broadcaster Jon Snow said at the charity's fundraising dinner Thursday night.

"Seventy per cent of British Muslims say they believe in 'freedom, tolerance of others, accepting personal and social responsibility, and respecting and upholding the rule of law' – the core values of Britishness as recently defined by David Cameron – while a tiny 6% do not.”

....The survey results come just days after thousands of young British Muslim men from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association took part in a rally to defend British values and promising to reject recruitment into radical groups.

Has Islam-bashing tarnished ‘tolerant Britain?’

Yet all is not lost. The majority of the British population reject the UKIP line with around 62% seeing it as racist or attractive to racists. British Muslims are climbing the ladder to the top in most professions increasingly engaged in British public life. But UKIP’s popularity, fleeting or not, should not be ignored and its anti-Islamic, xenophobic rhetoric properly shown up for what it is. It is a warning shot both to the Muslim community that for its own sake needs leadership and strategy to move forward and to the political establishment that has still lamentably failed to engage maturely with British Muslims and ethnic minorities. The legitimate public concerns and fears that UKIP has profited from such as the future of the EU and mass immigration must be addressed but shorn of the racist hate-fest that too many of its core membership embrace.

Quarter of young British people do not trust Muslims - BBC Newsbeat

Of the 1,000 young people questioned, 28% said Britain would be better off with fewer Muslims, while 44% said Muslims did not share the same values as the rest of the population.

Attitudes to Muslims British Religion in Numbers
Another article exploring views on the aftermath of the youtube film "Innocence of Muslims". While a lot of attention has been paid to the Muslim outrage and calls for banning the film and prosecuting the maker of it as examples of Islamic intolerance in Britain, a substantial number of British express a similar view.

Britain as a whole is an extremely diverse and tolerant society and it appears that it's Muslim population reflects that tolerance with the notable exception of attitudes towards homosexuality. They appear to be tolerant of other religions, largely British in culture, attitudes and views towards governance. There are always going to be examples of intolerance (cue - honor killing article) but it doesn't seem to jive with the claim of "least tolerant by far" of others and their views and religions. The other aspect to consider is that Britain's Muslims come from a vast array of immigrant cultures covering Asia, N Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe - each of whom bring with them their own cultural background and have been in Britain for differing lengths of time. Is it accurate to paint them as one homogenous group?

Are you a member of Nation of Islam?

You were calling people "crackers" in another thread.



Speaking of intolerance, however, 2/3 of British Muslims want criticism of Islam to be an offense punishable by law.

How is that less tolerant than those calling for a ban on the veil in Britain? (beyond the common sense in certain occupations)?

Because calling for a ban is in defense of British culture and calling for a ban on criticism of Islam is in defense of a foreign religion that has no roots in British culture.

In other words - you approve of intolerance towards other cultures, religions and views. Which...is...exactly what you are accusing British Muslims of.

Exactly.

 

[Unkotare]

OK, "Fun with Pictures!" time is over. Now, anything regarding the discussion at hand?

 

[Coyote]

Can you become Japanese? Can a Muslim from Nigeria also become a Japanese person?

Are you really incapable of distinguishing citizenship from ethnicity?

Ethnicity:

British

Not British

This is a duplicate of what you posted elsewhere.

Of course you show the extremes which are hardly accurate are they?

The average Brit is hardly walking around in bowler hats and suits. The average Brit who is a Muslim is hardly going around screaming abuse. Nice bit of exageration that.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Can you become Japanese? Can a Muslim from Nigeria also become a Japanese person?

Are you really incapable of distinguishing citizenship from ethnicity?

Ethnicity:

British

Not British

This is a duplicate of what you posted elsewhere.

Of course you show the extremes which are hardly accurate are they?

The average Brit is hardly walking around in bowler hats and suits. The average Brit who is a Muslim is hardly going around screaming abuse. Nice bit of exageration that.

The first group was NEVER ASKED to share community with the second group. A silent coup IMPOSED the second group onto the first group.

Immigrants don't say "You know, those bowler hats and the bubbles and squeak, are sure attractive and I want to abandon my culture and faith and become British and Christian. I'm going to immigrate to Britain in order to become British because I so admire British culture." This formulation isn't so troublesome. This formulation though is almost never seen anymore.

What we see instead is the above - the keeping of native culture and religion and co-locating that religion and culture alongside British culture in the UK. This is a recipe for war. Different peoples, different faith, different cultures, different attitudes are far more abrasive than the same people, of the same faith, the same culture and same attitudes living alongside each other.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

As to whether I am a Muslim - what does that have to do with any discussion?

You are a representative of this board and this board asks for donations. The honorable approach, therefore, would be for this site to be above board rather than so sneaky in regards to the agendas of those representing it.

 

[westwall]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

 

[westwall]

As to whether I am a Muslim - what does that have to do with any discussion?

You are a representative of this board and this board asks for donations. The honorable approach, therefore, would be for this site to be above board rather than so sneaky in regards to the agendas of those representing it.

This Board is far from "sneaky'. Take a look at our mission statement. The primary goal is the free exchange of ideas, no matter how warped you might think they are. In other words, you can not get a greater expression of "Freedom of Speech" ANYWHERE, than here on this Board.

 

[Rikurzhen]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

 

[westwall]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

A lot of what you say is true, however the problems in the UK run much deeper than that. The Progressive movement in the UK is deeply entrenched and I do believe it is their goal to destroy the country. The Progressives wish for the entire world to live under a government very much in the image of Soviet Russia.

The UK has been under attack by them for decades, as is our country. Our governmental system makes it much harder for the Progressives to enact their agenda however.

 

[Rikurzhen]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

A lot of what you say is true, however the problems in the UK run much deeper than that. The Progressive movement in the UK is deeply entrenched and I do believe it is their goal to destroy the country. The Progressives wish for the entire world to live under a government very much in the image of Soviet Russia.

The UK has been under attack by them for decades, as is our country. Our governmental system makes it much harder for the Progressives to enact their agenda however.

I was over in the "Canada has a surplus" thread and followed the link to the CBC report and there was another report on the sidebar "ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear."

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney gave Canadians a preview last week of his bid to boost the powers of Canada's spy agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. . . .

But Blaney, who was joined on Thursday by senior officials from both CSIS and the RCMP, shared the highlights, including new provisions to allow the agency to track "homegrown" extremists abroad and extend witness protection to confidential sources.

"Now, more than ever, a radical individual or group of motivated extremists with access to technology can do significant harm to Canada from thousands of miles away," he told reporters.​

This is the misery that multiculturalism brings.

This Canadian isn't going over to fight for ISIS:

It's the Canadian version of this guy that Canadians have to worry about:

All of the NSA intrusions on Americans came about BECAUSE OF MULTICULTURALISM.

Every freedom has to be jettisoned in order to make multiculturalism work. Governments need to surveil their own people because the people are now so fractured that they're no longer all held together by common beliefs, attitudes, histories, values, etc.

 

[westwall]

However, intolerance of others and their views and religions....THAT is un British.

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

A lot of what you say is true, however the problems in the UK run much deeper than that. The Progressive movement in the UK is deeply entrenched and I do believe it is their goal to destroy the country. The Progressives wish for the entire world to live under a government very much in the image of Soviet Russia.

The UK has been under attack by them for decades, as is our country. Our governmental system makes it much harder for the Progressives to enact their agenda however.

I was over in the "Canada has a surplus" thread and followed the link to the CBC report and there was another report on the sidebar "ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear."

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney gave Canadians a preview last week of his bid to boost the powers of Canada's spy agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. . . .

But Blaney, who was joined on Thursday by senior officials from both CSIS and the RCMP, shared the highlights, including new provisions to allow the agency to track "homegrown" extremists abroad and extend witness protection to confidential sources.

"Now, more than ever, a radical individual or group of motivated extremists with access to technology can do significant harm to Canada from thousands of miles away," he told reporters.​

This is the misery that multiculturalism brings.

This Canadian isn't going over to fight for ISIS:

It's the Canadian version of this guy that Canadians have to worry about:

All of the NSA intrusions on Americans came about BECAUSE OF MULTICULTURALISM.

Every freedom has to be jettisoned in order to make multiculturalism work. Governments need to surveil their own people because the people are now so fractured that they're no longer all held together by common beliefs, attitudes, histories, values, etc.

Multiculteralism is not to blame. The governments efforts to control discussion about it, and the control of the radical elements is! Had the government been doing its job, the number of these radicals would be very small. However the government has used these people to further their own Progressive ideals. That is the underlying problem. It isn't multiculturalism, it is Progressivism.

 

[Rikurzhen]

....which would describe a very large percentage of Muslims living in Britain.

They are the the least tolerant segment of the population by far.

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

A lot of what you say is true, however the problems in the UK run much deeper than that. The Progressive movement in the UK is deeply entrenched and I do believe it is their goal to destroy the country. The Progressives wish for the entire world to live under a government very much in the image of Soviet Russia.

The UK has been under attack by them for decades, as is our country. Our governmental system makes it much harder for the Progressives to enact their agenda however.

I was over in the "Canada has a surplus" thread and followed the link to the CBC report and there was another report on the sidebar "ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear."

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney gave Canadians a preview last week of his bid to boost the powers of Canada's spy agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. . . .

But Blaney, who was joined on Thursday by senior officials from both CSIS and the RCMP, shared the highlights, including new provisions to allow the agency to track "homegrown" extremists abroad and extend witness protection to confidential sources.

"Now, more than ever, a radical individual or group of motivated extremists with access to technology can do significant harm to Canada from thousands of miles away," he told reporters.​

This is the misery that multiculturalism brings.

This Canadian isn't going over to fight for ISIS:

It's the Canadian version of this guy that Canadians have to worry about:

All of the NSA intrusions on Americans came about BECAUSE OF MULTICULTURALISM.

Every freedom has to be jettisoned in order to make multiculturalism work. Governments need to surveil their own people because the people are now so fractured that they're no longer all held together by common beliefs, attitudes, histories, values, etc.

Multiculteralism is not to blame. The governments efforts to control discussion about it, and the control of the radical elements is! Had the government been doing its job, the number of these radicals would be very small. However the government has used these people to further their own Progressive ideals. That is the underlying problem. It isn't multiculturalism, it is Progressivism.

Multiculturalism is like a cancer. The government's efforts in response to the cancer are the chemotherapy, the radiation treatments and the aggressive surgery needed to try to keep the body politic healthy and functioning.

At no time in the history of humanity has any multicultural society been more stable than a monocultural society. Divide and Conquer has been a strategy known for millennia.

 

[Unkotare]

What we see instead is the above - the keeping of native culture and religion and co-locating that religion and culture alongside British culture in the UK. This is a recipe for war. Different peoples, different faith, different cultures, different attitudes are far more abrasive than the same people, of the same faith, the same culture and same attitudes living alongside each other.

What is your nationality?

 

[westwall]

And I have no problem sending those asshats packing. The problem I see coming is the moderate Muslims, who don't speak out enough, are going to be swept up in any action geared to get rid of the bad ones.

Even the moderates are a problem because a society needs to sacrifice fundamental freedoms in order to make multiculturalism work.

Imagine a world where all racial and religious minorities are removed from the UK. Now you no longer have to subject British citizens to draconian policing on speech and freedom of association. They can once again be FREE PEOPLE. The Race Relations act can be flushed down the shitter. They are free to criticize Islam without being sent to prison for doing so.

A lot of what you say is true, however the problems in the UK run much deeper than that. The Progressive movement in the UK is deeply entrenched and I do believe it is their goal to destroy the country. The Progressives wish for the entire world to live under a government very much in the image of Soviet Russia.

The UK has been under attack by them for decades, as is our country. Our governmental system makes it much harder for the Progressives to enact their agenda however.

I was over in the "Canada has a surplus" thread and followed the link to the CBC report and there was another report on the sidebar "ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear."

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney gave Canadians a preview last week of his bid to boost the powers of Canada's spy agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. . . .

But Blaney, who was joined on Thursday by senior officials from both CSIS and the RCMP, shared the highlights, including new provisions to allow the agency to track "homegrown" extremists abroad and extend witness protection to confidential sources.

"Now, more than ever, a radical individual or group of motivated extremists with access to technology can do significant harm to Canada from thousands of miles away," he told reporters.​

This is the misery that multiculturalism brings.

This Canadian isn't going over to fight for ISIS:

It's the Canadian version of this guy that Canadians have to worry about:

All of the NSA intrusions on Americans came about BECAUSE OF MULTICULTURALISM.

Every freedom has to be jettisoned in order to make multiculturalism work. Governments need to surveil their own people because the people are now so fractured that they're no longer all held together by common beliefs, attitudes, histories, values, etc.

Multiculteralism is not to blame. The governments efforts to control discussion about it, and the control of the radical elements is! Had the government been doing its job, the number of these radicals would be very small. However the government has used these people to further their own Progressive ideals. That is the underlying problem. It isn't multiculturalism, it is Progressivism.

Multiculturalism is like a cancer. The government's efforts in response to the cancer are the chemotherapy, the radiation treatments and the aggressive surgery needed to try to keep the body politic healthy and functioning.

At no time in the history of humanity has any multicultural society been more stable than a monocultural society. Divide and Conquer has been a strategy known for millennia.

Once again, I disagree with you. Progressivism is the cancer. Multiculteralism corrupted is the tool.