But what of our history?

[LoneLaugher]

And that's the opposite of what those statues did. They whitewashed history, revised it according to the political proclivities of the white supremacists in power at the time. We're just asking that your side's brazenly racist historical revisionism be undone.

Whoa hold up.

"Your side"? I am neither racist nor do I belong to any "side".

"...we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death."

--Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., dissenting opinion in Abrams v. United States, 250 U.S. 616 (1919)

Please.

Please what?

You have a side. Why lie?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The left are becoming pathetic, seriously the snowflakes are now offended by some damn 100+ year old statue? WTF you would think they would be offended by the lack of jobs and the number of minority murders in the inner cities they control.

This is not about statues. That's what YOUR FAKE MEDIA wants you to focus on. It's about equality and justice. And those are not your strong suit.

 

[Mousterian]

 

[TemplarKormac]

And that's the opposite of what those statues did. They whitewashed history, revised it according to the political proclivities of the white supremacists in power at the time. We're just asking that your side's brazenly racist historical revisionism be undone.

Whoa hold up.

"Your side"? I am neither racist nor do I belong to any "side".

"...we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death."

--Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., dissenting opinion in Abrams v. United States, 250 U.S. 616 (1919)

Please.

Please what?

You have a side. Why lie?

I don't have a side. I stopped playing the team game long ago.

I have varying opinions on many topics, and they don't all concur with one side. I take liberal and conservative positions. I am an independent, as such I don't belong to a side.

If you can't handle that, that's not my problem. Also, if any of your posts address me personally again, I will not reply. Get back on topic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's about equality and justice

Please.

 

[Timmy]

History can be revised to fit a narrative, or a widely held ideological bias. History should be recited in its purest form, away from the preconceptions and political proclivities of those studying or retelling it.

And that's the opposite of what those statues did. They whitewashed history, revised it according to the political proclivities of the white supremacists in power at the time. We're just asking that your side's brazenly racist historical revisionism be undone.

And before someone tells me that they as a taxpayer have a right to demand those monuments be removed, my grandmother (for example) has a right to demand they stay up, as a lawful taxpayer herself. Please do us all a favor and dispense with the self centered attitude.

Ain't democracy wonderful?

Except when you don't like the results, apparently.

Word !

These guys tried to destroy the United States . But the south makes it seem like they were somehow oppressed victims .

 

[aaronleland]

Fuck history. I'll be dead in 50-60 years.

 

[Peach]

Fuck history. I'll be dead in 50-60 years.

"Those who not remember the past......"

 

[WillowTree]

We learn from history only if our parents give us a 'balanced' view. This almost never happens, we inherit the prejudices and bigotry we're raised with, so history repeats itself endlessly.
But statues to Confederate generals are provocative, and a product of the Jim Crow period of the early 20th Century.
There's a good reason memorials to Hitler are nowhere to be seen, except in the homes of the neoNazis.

True. How great would it be to grow up with fond childhood memories of fun white power picnics and family excursions to see all the places where the ******* were kept?

Have you ever been to Charleston South Carolina?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Fuck history. I'll be dead in 50-60 years.

The eclipse is the herald of our doom. You'll probably be dead by next week.

 

[aaronleland]

Fuck history. I'll be dead in 50-60 years.

The eclipse is the herald of our doom. You'll probably be dead by next week.

The sooner the better. I'd throw the Liberty Bell in a lake next week. Stupid bell.

 

[WillowTree]

These monuments were shit when they put them up . Bunch of but hurt southern losers .

Confeds were traitors who killed 1/2 mill us troops .

500,000 died and that includes both north and south! Moron.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The best solution is to commission several statues depicting actual history

And what would your definition of "actual history" be, hmm?

• That the slavery of human beings is EVIL
• That war is the failure of diplomacy
• That demagogues and charlatans made lousy leaders
• That organized religions were the first political parties
• That Greed remains a deadly sin (no matter what Reagan said)

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is a certain someone I know in my neck of the woods (whom I will not call out by name), who thinks we should simply admire our history from the pages of books and get rid of historical monuments deemed offensive because of what they memorialize, this all in a pique of emotion over what happened in Charlottesville. There's a problem with that however. History can be revised to fit a narrative, or a widely held ideological bias. History should be recited in its purest form, away from the preconceptions and political proclivities of those studying or retelling it.

Whether it be a monument on the ground or a picture on a page, history is history, and it would be no less offensive to the offended party if it were standing in public or pictured and written in a book. So what will this actually accomplish? When the offended party gets tired of seeing the images of or reading about these monuments in a book, will the book be the next thing to go?

There's no sating this kind of irrational thought. It is a slippery slope of imposed ignorance.

And before someone tells me that they as a taxpayer have a right to demand those monuments be removed, my grandmother (for example) has a right to demand they stay up, as a lawful taxpayer herself. Please do us all a favor and dispense with the self centered attitude.

What makes you think regressives will not target books next?

Texans are already targeting books, trying to write slavery out of their history in schoolbooks.

 

[francoHFW]

 

[TemplarKormac]

Did you not even attempt to read the OP?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There is a certain someone I know in my neck of the woods (whom I will not call out by name), who thinks we should simply admire our history from the pages of books and get rid of historical monuments deemed offensive because of what they memorialize, this all in a pique of emotion over what happened in Charlottesville. There's a problem with that however. History can be revised to fit a narrative, or a widely held ideological bias. History should be recited in its purest form, away from the preconceptions and political proclivities of those studying or retelling it.

Whether it be a monument on the ground or a picture on a page, history is history, and it would be no less offensive to the offended party if it were standing in public or pictured and written in a book. So what will this actually accomplish? When the offended party gets tired of seeing the images of or reading about these monuments in a book, will the book be the next thing to go?

There's no sating this kind of irrational thought. It is a slippery slope of imposed ignorance.

And before someone tells me that they as a taxpayer have a right to demand those monuments be removed, my grandmother (for example) has a right to demand they stay up, as a lawful taxpayer herself. Please do us all a favor and dispense with the self centered attitude.

Name them, don't be a pussy. I know you well enough to know you don't usually hold back.

 

[Clementine]

There is a certain someone I know in my neck of the woods (whom I will not call out by name), who thinks we should simply admire our history from the pages of books and get rid of historical monuments deemed offensive because of what they memorialize, this all in a pique of emotion over what happened in Charlottesville. There's a problem with that however. History can be revised to fit a narrative, or a widely held ideological bias. History should be recited in its purest form, away from the preconceptions and political proclivities of those studying or retelling it.

Whether it be a monument on the ground or a picture on a page, history is history, and it would be no less offensive to the offended party if it were standing in public or pictured and written in a book. So what will this actually accomplish? When the offended party gets tired of seeing the images of or reading about these monuments in a book, will the book be the next thing to go?

There's no sating this kind of irrational thought. It is a slippery slope of imposed ignorance.

And before someone tells me that they as a taxpayer have a right to demand those monuments be removed, my grandmother (for example) has a right to demand they stay up, as a lawful taxpayer herself. Please do us all a favor and dispense with the self centered attitude.

Good point. Intolerance wouldn't allow so much as a mention. Libs across the country, who have never laid eyes on any of the monuments, are celebrating their destruction. If they can't stand the thought of these statues existing, then certainly being forced to read about them at school in a history book would be unbearable.

Good or bad, history remains the same. I guess truth is too much for some because the left has been trying to rewrite history for decades. They've changed some of it, like the fact that their own were the creators of the KKK. And some isn't even discussed anymore. They've tried to rewrite the failure of socialism so that future generations will think it's a good idea.

This whole effort to destroy all things Confederate is a symptom of a much larger problem. The dumbing down of people and identity politics is ruining us from within.

 

[TemplarKormac]

There is a certain someone I know in my neck of the woods (whom I will not call out by name), who thinks we should simply admire our history from the pages of books and get rid of historical monuments deemed offensive because of what they memorialize, this all in a pique of emotion over what happened in Charlottesville. There's a problem with that however. History can be revised to fit a narrative, or a widely held ideological bias. History should be recited in its purest form, away from the preconceptions and political proclivities of those studying or retelling it.

Whether it be a monument on the ground or a picture on a page, history is history, and it would be no less offensive to the offended party if it were standing in public or pictured and written in a book. So what will this actually accomplish? When the offended party gets tired of seeing the images of or reading about these monuments in a book, will the book be the next thing to go?

There's no sating this kind of irrational thought. It is a slippery slope of imposed ignorance.

And before someone tells me that they as a taxpayer have a right to demand those monuments be removed, my grandmother (for example) has a right to demand they stay up, as a lawful taxpayer herself. Please do us all a favor and dispense with the self centered attitude.

Name them, don't be a pussy. I know you well enough to know you don't usually hold back.

I don't normally out my Facebook friends on a political board, but since you asked nicely...

Her name is Melissa. She is one of the gay friends I have on Facebook, she lives in Germany as a US German dual citizen. I've known her since 2011. She is as you can probably guess a staunch far leftist. She was making the same argument as in the tweet Franco posted. Why have statues when you have books? I thought the suggestion patently absurd, hence this.

 

[Seawytch]

Do not remove them, move them. Put them in one FREE museum in D.C. so every school trip will feature a visit to

1) Smithsonian
2) Holocaust Museum
3) Confederate Traitors Museum