Britain.....gun crime in 2019 already a problem....

[candycorn]

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

No they would just find another way to kill themselves.

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

Thanks for your Amateur opinion.

Here is an informed one:

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Seems you don't know how to read your own chart

That is for the lethality of suicide attempts by the method chosen not the number of suicides

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

 

[Blues Man]

No they would just find another way to kill themselves.

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

Thanks for your Amateur opinion.

Here is an informed one:

View attachment 247956

Seems you don't know how to read your own chart

That is for the lethality of suicide attempts by the method chosen not the number of suicides

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

 

[candycorn]

Thanks for your Amateur opinion.

Here is an informed one:

View attachment 247956

Seems you don't know how to read your own chart

That is for the lethality of suicide attempts by the method chosen not the number of suicides

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

 

[Blues Man]

Seems you don't know how to read your own chart

That is for the lethality of suicide attempts by the method chosen not the number of suicides

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

 

[candycorn]

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

 

[Blues Man]

that's an assumption.

anyone who really wants to commit suicide will succeed.

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

 

[candycorn]

That part is true.

However, the point stands the 8 out of 10 who try with a gun don’t get a chance to contemplate their life choices ….. fewer deaths is a good thing for most of us. For others? Well, you tell us.

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

 

[Blues Man]

They made their choice when they pulled the trigger.

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

 

[candycorn]

Pretty much the idiotic response I expected

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

 

[Blues Man]

Why do you think it's idiotic for people to make the choice whether they live or die?

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

 

[candycorn]

I wasn’t talking about them, I was talking about your response.

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

The adult is making a rational decision but the kid isn’t?

 

[2aguy]

And again........I notice you didn't answer the question...which British gun control laws stopped these shooters, with guns, from walking into a church, a mall, a theater or a school...with the illegal gun they already had in their possession which they then went on to shoot in public? Please...tell us which British gun control law stopped them.

In case you missed it the last few times I answered, That would be the Firearms Act 1997 and the Firearms (ammendment #2) Act 1997.

Shootings in UK Churches since 1997= 0
Shootings in UK Malls since 1997 = 1 Technically, as it was a kid with a BB gun, but it was still an illegal firearm.
Shootings in UK Theatres since 1997 = 0
Shootings in UK schools since 1997 = 0

Happy to help. Next?

Also how many mass shootings were stopped by American police before they happened? The point you miss is, that without gun control in place, potential mass shooters would have just had to walk into their local gun shop and walk out with an arsenal to carry out their plans.

You would have to show that any of that was due to Britain's gun control laws....and you can't. I show over and over again that illegal guns are flooding Britain...statements from the actual police forces......so if criminals have illegal guns, and they use those illegal guns to commit crimes...

Tell us, oh genius....which British gun control law keeps these criminals with guns from walking into a church, mall, school or theater?

Britain has averaged a mass shooting once every 10 years, before they banned guns..so their nuts weren't hurting other people with guns before they banned them. Now? They have almost had 4....which is an increase, and only stopped by dumb luck......

And again...which British gun control laws are stopping people from using their illegal guns to shoot up public places...please..enlighten us....



Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

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"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?


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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.







Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

 

[2aguy]

Call us when they have 30000 gun deaths per year.

That you can itemize their incidents of gun violence underscores how much better their system is

The Suicide rate in the US is 14 per 100K
In the UK it is 10 per 100K

It seems that gun laws don't do much to lower suicide rates so maybe you should leave suicides out of the equation

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

Wrong...and you know this...that you pretend that you haven't seen this before shows you are dishonest....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

The Suicide rate in the US is 14 per 100K
In the UK it is 10 per 100K

It seems that gun laws don't do much to lower suicide rates so maybe you should leave suicides out of the equation

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

No they would just find another way to kill themselves.

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

Thanks for your Amateur opinion.

Here is an informed one:

View attachment 247956

Seems you don't know how to read your own chart

That is for the lethality of suicide attempts by the method chosen not the number of suicides

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

MY point is…

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

82% of attempts by gun are successful.
Fewer guns means fewer dead people.
For most of us, that’s a good thing.

Wrong....as actual facts and real life statistics show.....

Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people

 

[2aguy]

Call us when they have 30000 gun deaths per year.

That you can itemize their incidents of gun violence underscores how much better their system is

The Suicide rate in the US is 14 per 100K
In the UK it is 10 per 100K

It seems that gun laws don't do much to lower suicide rates so maybe you should leave suicides out of the equation

Suicide attempts would remain attempts if the lethality of means available were reduced.

No they would just find another way to kill themselves.

Half of all suicides are committed without guns

Thanks for your Amateur opinion.

Here is an informed one:

View attachment 247956

Your chart is dumb.....Japan has exteme gun control...only criminals and police can have guns....and their suicide rate is higher than ours.....jumping in front of trains is just as deadly as a gun.

 

[Blues Man]

So you think it's idiotic to allow people to make their own choices
I think I get where you're coming from now

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

The adult is making a rational decision but the kid isn’t?

Yes in a nutshell.

The science agrees with me that teenagers and therefore even younger children do not have fully developed brains and do not have the impulse control of older people.

Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, and Decision Making

 

[candycorn]

If a 45 y/o man reaches into his nightstand, gets his gun and blows his brains out; you’re cool with that and think he came to the decision rationally. Right?

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

The adult is making a rational decision but the kid isn’t?

Yes in a nutshell.

The science agrees with me that teenagers and therefore even younger children do not have fully developed brains and do not have the impulse control of older people.

Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, and Decision Making

A rational person does not choose to kill themselves.

In any case, you take away the gun and the odds of killing yourself decrease dramatically.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

The adult is making a rational decision but the kid isn’t?

Yes in a nutshell.

The science agrees with me that teenagers and therefore even younger children do not have fully developed brains and do not have the impulse control of older people.

Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, and Decision Making

A rational person does not choose to kill themselves.

In any case, you take away the gun and the odds of killing yourself decrease dramatically.

That is your opinion.

I do not judge the quality of a person's choice based on my personal perceptions. As long as a person harms no one else any choice they make is their absolute right

And taking away guns in no way means a person will not kill himself.

 

[2aguy]

Yes I am

I happen to believe that everyone has the absolute unassailable right to have complete control over their life or their death and it's not up to you or anyone else to decide otherwise

And the 15 y/o who blows their brains out because they were bullied in school? Rational choice there too...right?

Minor children require some amount of protection. And don't forget if a minor obtains a handgun it is via the negligence of an adult

I assumed we were speaking of adults here.

The adult is making a rational decision but the kid isn’t?

Yes in a nutshell.

The science agrees with me that teenagers and therefore even younger children do not have fully developed brains and do not have the impulse control of older people.

Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, and Decision Making

A rational person does not choose to kill themselves.

In any case, you take away the gun and the odds of killing yourself decrease dramatically.

Tell that to the Japanese...who have higher suicide rates than we do......gain, guns aren't the issue, determination is the issue.