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Does Obama' actions on this issue seriously surprise anybody?
After all, this is a man who vehemently said a surge in Iraq would never work. I believe he said it was impossible.
This is a man with no executive experience, and virtually no experience EVER running anything.
This is a man who comes from a deep seated culture of political corruption. In chicago, it's all about politics, and the greasing of politicians hands.
This is a man who is now obviously playing politics with our troops lives. Doesn't want to piss off his far left base, after all. It just might cost him votes in '12.
This is a man who decided to fly off to Copenhagen while his ground commanders were left hanging. It's quite obvious that he was more interested in trying to appease his fellow corrupt political cronies in Chicago, then he was in staying stateside and dealing with the issue.
This is a man who held off a conference with his commanders and members of congress and senate in order to hold a dog and pony show press conference about his floundering healthcare proposal.
When is this idiot going to pay the Wizard a visit and ask him for some balls?
When is he just going to stand up to Biden and Pelosi and very firmly state, "Enough already, I'm tired of hearing from you two. I'm commiting those troops RIGHT NOW. Get the fuck outta my face!"?
As long as he chooses to play politics, it will never happen!
that surge SURE DID WORK! Just look at Iraq now... a bastion of peace and stability. Yup. We probably won't be talking about why we are still in Iraq in three months. Nope. the SURGE solved that little tiddy!
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
that surge SURE DID WORK! Just look at Iraq now... a bastion of peace and stability. Yup. We probably won't be talking about why we are still in Iraq in three months. Nope. the SURGE solved that little tiddy!
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
Praytell, mr FACT. Are you confident that the stated surge will keep us from talking about continued military deaths in Iraq? come on, now. don't be shy about making statements that are tougher to wiggle out from under than your presidential vote 5 years ago.
that surge SURE DID WORK! Just look at Iraq now... a bastion of peace and stability. Yup. We probably won't be talking about why we are still in Iraq in three months. Nope. the SURGE solved that little tiddy!
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.
Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
Praytell, mr FACT. Are you confident that the stated surge will keep us from talking about continued military deaths in Iraq? come on, now. don't be shy about making statements that are tougher to wiggle out from under than your presidential vote 5 years ago.
My presidential vote of 5 years ago was a losing one......but we wont go there right now.
A surge working does not mean "peace on the front"...it means "advantage, sterngth and confidence" on the front.....but someone like you does not know about advatgaes strengths and confidence from a military standpoint. You seem to be an "all or nothing" kind of guy.
Good for you.
And with all of your eight posts, that's all Shogun needs. Nothing reactionary about him/her.I bet it takes a brain surgeon to guess how you voted in 04.
Be careful you don't fall into the pit of idiocy when you make that giant leap of assumption. I bet you're not a brain surgeon.... most of them learn about the patient before cutting.
And with all of your eight posts, that's all Shogun needs. Nothing reactionary about him/her.Be careful you don't fall into the pit of idiocy when you make that giant leap of assumption. I bet you're not a brain surgeon.... most of them learn about the patient before cutting.
Shim...
S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.
Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.
It would be irresponsible for any of us to offer solutions. We do not know enough about what is truly going on.
However, the generals do. They have no other responsibility than to know exactly what is going on.
But then again,...there is you.....you know better thaqn anyone.....right?
LMAO...you are pathetic.
Who gives a shit? The topic is Afghanistan and the low troop morale. You are a disaster.And with all of your eight posts, that's all Shogun needs. Nothing reactionary about him/her.
Shim...
Did you say something or do I need to put you back in your place, corner dweller.
After all.. we sure did see her rebuttal after I posted from here other forum input.
In about 45 minutes you'll get what i'm referencing.
So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?Praytell, mr FACT. Are you confident that the stated surge will keep us from talking about continued military deaths in Iraq? come on, now. don't be shy about making statements that are tougher to wiggle out from under than your presidential vote 5 years ago.
My presidential vote of 5 years ago was a losing one......but we wont go there right now.
A surge working does not mean "peace on the front"...it means "advantage, sterngth and confidence" on the front.....but someone like you does not know about advatgaes strengths and confidence from a military standpoint. You seem to be an "all or nothing" kind of guy.
Good for you.
those are all bullshit nomenclature meant to diffuse the reality of a total lack of impact on the war in iraq. Indeed, ww2 was an ALL OR NOTHING kind of war. Vietnam, and what we are now doing in the mid east, would do well to finally get an ALL OR NOTHING directive that isn't blatant kaka del toro wafting strait from the turn of conservative input since 2003. And, consequently, why your kind rely on silly little "war on terrorism" mantras instead of an actual, tangible strategy to win this side of a full fucking decade in conflict.
Who gives a shit? The topic is Afghanistan and the low troop morale. You are a disaster.Shim...
Did you say something or do I need to put you back in your place, corner dweller.
After all.. we sure did see her rebuttal after I posted from here other forum input.
In about 45 minutes you'll get what i'm referencing.
So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?My presidential vote of 5 years ago was a losing one......but we wont go there right now.
A surge working does not mean "peace on the front"...it means "advantage, sterngth and confidence" on the front.....but someone like you does not know about advatgaes strengths and confidence from a military standpoint. You seem to be an "all or nothing" kind of guy.
Good for you.
those are all bullshit nomenclature meant to diffuse the reality of a total lack of impact on the war in iraq. Indeed, ww2 was an ALL OR NOTHING kind of war. Vietnam, and what we are now doing in the mid east, would do well to finally get an ALL OR NOTHING directive that isn't blatant kaka del toro wafting strait from the turn of conservative input since 2003. And, consequently, why your kind rely on silly little "war on terrorism" mantras instead of an actual, tangible strategy to win this side of a full fucking decade in conflict.
Is that what you are saying?
Holy shit people!....We have Obama himself posting on this MB. He goes by the name of "Shogun"
LMAO!
Seriously, pull your head out of your obviously ignorant ass!
wow...you support "assumption" as fact and declare fact as false.
jeez....
S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.
Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.
So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?those are all bullshit nomenclature meant to diffuse the reality of a total lack of impact on the war in iraq. Indeed, ww2 was an ALL OR NOTHING kind of war. Vietnam, and what we are now doing in the mid east, would do well to finally get an ALL OR NOTHING directive that isn't blatant kaka del toro wafting strait from the turn of conservative input since 2003. And, consequently, why your kind rely on silly little "war on terrorism" mantras instead of an actual, tangible strategy to win this side of a full fucking decade in conflict.
Is that what you are saying?
Holy shit people!....We have Obama himself posting on this MB. He goes by the name of "Shogun"
LMAO!
Seriously, pull your head out of your obviously ignorant ass!
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.
and, in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months, 15 months, 18 months etc... when your kind is STILL at it trying to drape yourself in a bloody flag, we will STILL be in Iraq under the same baseless circumstances.
Wanna bet? I'll bet the sum total of all my rep vs yours that we'll STILL be no where close to wrapping up Iraq despite that surge. So, when you get done wiping your pussy come take my bet.
LMAO!So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?those are all bullshit nomenclature meant to diffuse the reality of a total lack of impact on the war in iraq. Indeed, ww2 was an ALL OR NOTHING kind of war. Vietnam, and what we are now doing in the mid east, would do well to finally get an ALL OR NOTHING directive that isn't blatant kaka del toro wafting strait from the turn of conservative input since 2003. And, consequently, why your kind rely on silly little "war on terrorism" mantras instead of an actual, tangible strategy to win this side of a full fucking decade in conflict.
Is that what you are saying?
Holy shit people!....We have Obama himself posting on this MB. He goes by the name of "Shogun"
LMAO!
Seriously, pull your head out of your obviously ignorant ass!
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.
and, in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months, 15 months, 18 months etc... when your kind is STILL at it trying to drape yourself in a bloody flag, we will STILL be in Iraq under the same baseless circumstances.
Wanna bet? I'll bet the sum total of all my rep vs yours that we'll STILL be no where close to wrapping up Iraq despite that surge. So, when you get done wiping your pussy come take my bet.
And with all of your eight posts, that's all Shogun needs. Nothing reactionary about him/her.
Shim...
Did you say something or do I need to put you back in your place, corner dweller.
After all.. we sure did see her rebuttal after I posted from here other forum input.
In about 45 minutes you'll get what i'm referencing.
Is SHOGUN one of those candyass Polanski sympathizers?S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.
Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.
ROFL...
Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...
It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.
LOL... LEFTISTS.
Is SHOGUN one of those candyass Polanski sympathizers?Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.
ROFL...
Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...
It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.
LOL... LEFTISTS.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit!
I got ya'.Is SHOGUN one of those candyass Polanski sympathizers?ROFL...
Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...
It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.
LOL... LEFTISTS.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit!
Oh she's a major advocatmong other of faggery among other feminizing proclivities.
She outed herself, to me; when she was responding to a post wherein the OP asserted that homosexuality is directly tied to pedophilia.
Having been through this argument 10,000 times I set her up to inform the board of all of the cultures which prospered on their having normalized homosexuality; where she bit hard sourced a book wherein the author spoke specifically to the Samurai Culture's pedophilic essence; she of course preferred to speak to the overt pursuit of pre-pubecsent or barely post pubescent boys for sexual relations by that perverse culture, as 'mentoring'... but it didn't pass for such by myself or any other non-idiot.
She's a pencil-neck little cock polisher, whose one malt liquor short of having to register with the local cops as a pedophile... It's only a matter of time before she departs the barely legal to the illegal to satisfy her twisted 'needs' and that'll be that for a while.
The problem is that YOU people threw American troops into a fucking firepit without any clear objective besides "win the war on terrorism". Which, as you've been told, means jack and shit. You people hide behind mantras and gop talking points when Bush is in office and then act like martyrs when Obama can't magically snap his fingers and win the "war on trrrrorrrrrrsm". So, in fact, I'd say YES bring them back home. Bring those in Iraq back home as well. Until you sorry bastards can defend your own war-hawkishness spare me your hilarious bullshit trying to pin the failures of the mid east fronts on Obama.
go find Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz now, motherfuckers.
Making such sweeping and generalized pronouncements isn't typically a wise decision. Not everyone in this thread supported Bush or the War on Terrorism. I agree that we need to get out of Iraq, as well as every other country we currently occupy.
the very same people trying to pin this shit on Obama in this thread are the exact same people who was busy talking about trrrrrorrrrsts in 2004. In this company I am really not too concerned with their opinion of what a wise decision is.
