Breaking: Van runs into crowd outside N. London Mosque

[Issa]

Are you drunk?

They put them in ghettos and discriminated against 2nd and 3rd generation kids of immigrants and that's why we see the troubled. France recognized it's mistake, but it's somewhat too late.

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

That's a good point and it IS a problem with Europe. The trick is to make it work.

That's what I've read also and also why the immigrant experience in countries like the US and Canada is very different than that of France for example. The other thing, which I mentioned is that France's policies encourage huge numbers of immigrants from former colonies that had no real job skills, not a lot of education and they brought thier communities with them creating their own insular groups. I think that combined with the French attitudes towards non-French and the economic disparities made integration a lot harder.

As a side point how many illegal immigrants do you have voting in your elections? Answer you don't know, people can literally turn up on voting day with NO ID and just vote.

We do NOT have this situation on the European Continent.

Being asked to show some ID to vote is not racist and the morons who suggest it is are doing that for party political reasons, because they know that the majority of illegal immigrants will vote Democrat as it's ONLY the Democrats who ridiculously say that illegal immigrants are not illegal because there's no such thing as people being illegal, which is why in Democrat areas you have Leftist politicians with the Sanctuary Cities protecting the illegal immigrants and effectively breaking American Federal Law.

In the below States where NO ID is needed, look at California, Arizona, Virginia and the majority of your East Coast, how many illegal immigrants can go from one polling station to another and vote multiple times? There is NOTHING to stop ONE person voting 50 times in ONE election.

You need an ID to get a car, a passport, a bank account etc so why isn't having an ID for those things racist if asking for an ID to vote is racist?

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[flacaltenn]

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

Not a lot of optimists in Somalia. For valid reasons. But at OTHER times, when the bombs are not dropping and people dying daily outside their door -- The ones that WANT more liberty and WANT more opportunity -- are welcome to come. And they KNOW WHY they are coming..

Sometimes I think there is a certain self-selection going on - these people take huge risks, life threatening risks - and many die - for those opportunities. These aren't people who will shy away from hard work and challenges.

That mass migration was motivated solely out of fear. Wasn't much "deliberation" about opportunities involved. It's hard to make critical decisions like that intelligently when your kids are dying and your city is a pile of rubble. That really makes them "refugees" and NOT immigrants. PERHAPS -- since the world took a crap on them for 4 long years of epic destruction in their homelands -- we should MAKE exceptions and recieve them as "TEMP refugees".. But our divided country would never allow that option politically..

From a personal (not pragmatic) standpoint - I feel we owe them for wrecking their country. At the very least we absolutely owe safety and a welcome to any who assisted us and who's live and family are now in jeopardy because of that.

You're right in terms of our complicity. And ABSOLUTELY correct about the folks that supported OUR people when we were in their country. They KNOW what they are coming to America for. It's a more "informed" decision. And we SPEED that up -- because many are endangered.

But instead of spending $200Mill for 10 "freedom fighters" of which only 2 ever MADE IT to a conflict spot -- we should have been organizing the World to build NEW syrian cities in protected zones. We don't ''owe them" citizenship in countries that the majority of refugees would rather NOT be in..

 

[Coyote]

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

I'm curious about something Dalia. France, like many European countries, has an aging population and there are some communities that are in crisis because of that - there aren't enough people to do the low level jobs. It seems like France WANTS workers, but they don't want them to become French. The flood of refugees is one thing - but this is another part of France's immigration that is long standing. Isn't some of this problem also a problem of France's attitude towards immigrants as much as the immigrant's attitude towards French culture?


In the US, an aging population is causing problems in some towns. I heard an interview with one town that was desperate not to close their only school and opening their community to refugees provided them with a win win solution, brought more children into the community and allowed the school to stay open.

 

[Tilly]

They do have free speech - no right, including that of free speech - is unlimited.

Free speech in America has reasonable limits. Europe and Canada's limits to free speech are unreasonable because they exist to appease the unreasonable demands of minorities and satisfy the tyranny of the Left.

That is why all these groups want to change your First Amendment to include what they consider "Hate Speech", hate speech = saying nothing to upset the Kebabs and other minorities.

But for instance the Blacks can say Kill All White People and that's not considered hate speech.

Yes it is considered hate speech. But it's not illegal. People who want to change our First Amendment are in a minority - they would encounter stiff resistance from the left and the right, and the ACLU would fight them in court.

Free speech is only valuable if people understand the truth when they hear it.

We don't have free speech in the U.K. - the term 'islamophobia' was invented to prevent it as it pertains to Islam.

If you look at its definition from ?the Rowntree Trust - where it was conceived - it even mentions specific criticisms of Islam that are 'islamophobic'. Elderly people have actually been incarcerated in the U.K. For saying things like 'piss off out of the country if you hate it so much'! Commentators like Douglas Murray are branded right wing islamophobic extremists by prominent Muslims and the Left, and they demand he be prosecuted. If their demands fail, they issue fatwa's.

Regardless of who we vote for, we still end up watching our way of life and country being destroyed and we aren't even allowed to discuss the problem.

 

[Coyote]

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

Not a lot of optimists in Somalia. For valid reasons. But at OTHER times, when the bombs are not dropping and people dying daily outside their door -- The ones that WANT more liberty and WANT more opportunity -- are welcome to come. And they KNOW WHY they are coming..

Sometimes I think there is a certain self-selection going on - these people take huge risks, life threatening risks - and many die - for those opportunities. These aren't people who will shy away from hard work and challenges.

That mass migration was motivated solely out of fear. Wasn't much "deliberation" about opportunities involved. It's hard to make critical decisions like that intelligently when your kids are dying and your city is a pile of rubble. That really makes them "refugees" and NOT immigrants. PERHAPS -- since the world took a crap on them for 4 long years of epic destruction in their homelands -- we should MAKE exceptions and recieve them as "TEMP refugees".. But our divided country would never allow that option politically..

From a personal (not pragmatic) standpoint - I feel we owe them for wrecking their country. At the very least we absolutely owe safety and a welcome to any who assisted us and who's live and family are now in jeopardy because of that.

You're right in terms of our complicity. And ABSOLUTELY correct about the folks that supported OUR people when we were in their country. They KNOW what they are coming to America for. It's a more "informed" decision. And we SPEED that up -- because many are endangered.

But instead of spending $200Mill for 10 "freedom fighters" of which only 2 ever MADE IT to a conflict spot -- we should have been organizing the World to build NEW syrian cities in protected zones. We don't ''owe them" citizenship in countries that the majority of refugees would rather NOT be in..

I totally agree!

 

[Issa]

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

These people have no business being in the West. It's not their countries. They don't belong here. Their religion and ideology isn't compatible with freedom - they don't fit. The reason they were brought in was to destroy the host culture and pave the way for a more Leftist government controlled system.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

 

[Dalia]

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

I'm curious about something Dalia. France, like many European countries, has an aging population and there are some communities that are in crisis because of that - there aren't enough people to do the low level jobs. It seems like France WANTS workers, but they don't want them to become French. The flood of refugees is one thing - but this is another part of France's immigration that is long standing. Isn't some of this problem also a problem of France's attitude towards immigrants as much as the immigrant's attitude towards French culture?


In the US, an aging population is causing problems in some towns. I heard an interview with one town that was desperate not to close their only school and opening their community to refugees provided them with a win win solution, brought more children into the community and allowed the school to stay open.

Becoming French requires several criteria now it is true, but some countries like Algeria have no problem in getting the papers in France.
And the French have the reputation of being lazy, it is true that many foreigners here work and make the factory and most of all shops work in France

 

[Issa]

Third world countries were occupied by most European countries, that left those countries in ruined and didn't help rebuild them. So there was immigration, that Europe is need of and will always need. And even the refugee crisis both the US and Europe caused it. So why put the blame solely on the migrants?

 

[Coyote]

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

They are actually very discrimminated against as well.

 

[Issa]

My grandfather fought in the French army in (indo-chine) war and the liberation of France. After the war he settled back in Morocco. Both my aunt and uncle moved to France, worked tirelessly for over 40 years, never once had problems with police or authorities, they loved France and considered it to be their home....their kids grow up in Les banlieux....and they were discriminated against when applying for jobs, now some went in bad routes and they hate France. Who should we blame and how can it be corrected?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

I'm curious about something Dalia. France, like many European countries, has an aging population and there are some communities that are in crisis because of that - there aren't enough people to do the low level jobs. It seems like France WANTS workers, but they don't want them to become French. The flood of refugees is one thing - but this is another part of France's immigration that is long standing. Isn't some of this problem also a problem of France's attitude towards immigrants as much as the immigrant's attitude towards French culture?


In the US, an aging population is causing problems in some towns. I heard an interview with one town that was desperate not to close their only school and opening their community to refugees provided them with a win win solution, brought more children into the community and allowed the school to stay open.

Becoming French requires several criteria now it is true, but some countries like Algeria have no problem in getting the papers in France.
And the French have the reputation of being lazy, it is true that many foreigners here work and make the factory and most of all shops work in France

 

[Coyote]

Nice...i need to checkout the book. What's is it about?
Yes did it right, and made it easy for Muslims and others to assimilate. Europe they brought modern day slaves and the seggragated them in ghettos, and that's why we see what we see. But the aging population of Europe will continusouly need the flow of young blood, they better have a better system in place to assimilate new comers into their society for everyone to be a winner and co exist.

That's exactly what happened....im Morooccan and migrants from Morocco in North America fair better than their counterparts in Europe because of the points you made.

They put them in ghettos and discriminated against 2nd and 3rd generation kids of immigrants and that's why we see the troubled. France recognized it's mistake, but it's somewhat too late.

That's a good point and it IS a problem with Europe. The trick is to make it work.

That's what I've read also and also why the immigrant experience in countries like the US and Canada is very different than that of France for example. The other thing, which I mentioned is that France's policies encourage huge numbers of immigrants from former colonies that had no real job skills, not a lot of education and they brought thier communities with them creating their own insular groups. I think that combined with the French attitudes towards non-French and the economic disparities made integration a lot harder.

That's interesting to know! Morocco is interesting, I just finished reading an interesting memoir by Fatima Mernissi about her childhood in Morocco called the "Harem Within".

The other aspect of immigration that is different is that because we don't get entire villages moving over en-masse, immigrant communities are more mixed, so quite often a local Mosque will have Muslims from a variety of Islamic backgrounds attending and that tends to dilute insularity.

It's about her childhood growing up in Morocco in the 1940's, as a girl - https://www.amazon.com/Harem-within-Fatima-Mernissi/dp/0385405421&tag=ff0d01-20

She's written other books I haven't read yet, but here is her information: Fatema Mernissi - Wikipedia

 

[Dalia]

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

The reasons for that humanitarian disaster in MidEast are largely that the entire world refused to stem it by providing new safe DEVELOPMENTS (not camps) in the war zones. Then when the Med started to fill up with rafts and floating bodies and MILLIONS tried to pour in -- Europe THEN decided to be "humanitarian" and allow the migration and TRIED to parcel it out all over the map.

Because they see desperate Arabs -- like we "see" Mexicans. It's that short sighted vision of obtaining a low maintenance underclass to fill in for the crashing Euro birth rates. Several problems with that assessment. By the 2 or 3rd generation, this influx WONT be doing menial tasks. At least not the history of "our Mexicans" (sarcasm). Our 2 and 3rd gen Mex are fully integrated into every profession in the USA. The Euros won't be as fortunate. Because they never INTENDED to facilitate assimilation and integration. And that's an error we shouldn't repeat.

The most important vetting question to be asked should be -- Do you INTEND to become a _______ citizen? And if so, why did you choose _______ over other choices? Answer too often with the RECENT wave of "refugees" is --- they didn't HAVE a choice and don't INTEND to be citizens. They just wanted to survive..

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

Issa simply because the terrorist Muslims were the one who massacred the French, Charlie Hebdo, Paris November 2015 and Nice. We can not forgive horrors like that.
The Americans have not forgotten on September 11th 2001 and neither do i and their worst enemy bin Laden

 

[Coyote]

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

Issa simply because the terrorist Muslims were the one who massacred the French, Charlie Hebdo, Paris November 2015 and Nice. We can not forgive horrors like that.
The Americans have not forgotten on September 11th 2001 and neither have I and their worst enemy bin Laden

We haven't and won't forget 9/11 - but I won't blame all Muslims for the acts of those terrorists.

 

[Issa]

You didn't answer my question.
France also acts a terrorist state killing Libyan, Syrians, Maliens, and others. Your state ruined entire countries to get a grip on natural resources and place puppets in to keep stealing resources in Lot of countries around the world. Isn't that a bigger scale terrorism?

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

Reminds me of a quote I heard, from a Somali born poet - people leave for a reason, and to them it's a good reason...."people don't leave home unless home is a sharks mouth"...

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

Issa simply because the terrorist Muslims were the one who massacred the French, Charlie Hebdo, Paris November 2015 and Nice. We can not forgive horrors like that.
The Americans have not forgotten on September 11th 2001 and neither do i and their worst enemy bin Laden

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

That's exactly what happened....im Morooccan and migrants from Morocco in North America fair better than their counterparts in Europe because of the points you made.

They put them in ghettos and discriminated against 2nd and 3rd generation kids of immigrants and that's why we see the troubled. France recognized it's mistake, but it's somewhat too late.

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

That's a good point and it IS a problem with Europe. The trick is to make it work.

That's what I've read also and also why the immigrant experience in countries like the US and Canada is very different than that of France for example. The other thing, which I mentioned is that France's policies encourage huge numbers of immigrants from former colonies that had no real job skills, not a lot of education and they brought thier communities with them creating their own insular groups. I think that combined with the French attitudes towards non-French and the economic disparities made integration a lot harder.

That's interesting to know! Morocco is interesting, I just finished reading an interesting memoir by Fatima Mernissi about her childhood in Morocco called the "Harem Within".

The other aspect of immigration that is different is that because we don't get entire villages moving over en-masse, immigrant communities are more mixed, so quite often a local Mosque will have Muslims from a variety of Islamic backgrounds attending and that tends to dilute insularity.

I have been to Morocco, to Marrakech and Tangiers, the Marrakech Museum is incredible as is the Museum of Moroccan Arts, see links I provide below.

I have previously written about my appreciation of the architecture of these places. Why would you want to leave a nation like Morocco, so rich in architecture and romance?

I have NEVER said that I hated Muslim peoples, it's Islam I have a problem with, I have a great respect for Arabesque Culture, especially the architecture and also the music.

I would just prefer that Muslims stay in their OWN nations and not come to Western nations, I have NO problem with them visiting for a holiday, just like we visit their nations for a holiday, but we cannot live TOGETHER in Western nations, it's a Culture Clash that can ONLY end in tears.

The Moroccans I met in Marrakech and Tangiers were wonderful people, who were rightly proud of these two amazing and historically rich cities.

Marrakech Museum - Wikipedia

The below is The Museum of Moroccan Arts.

Dar el Makhzen (Tangier) - Wikipedia

In Marrakech they have this green tea, Maghrebi mint tea that is served almost like a Mint Julep but sans the booze, it's served in the glass with fresh mint and sugar and is excellent and the people of Marrakech you see them drinking this tea all day long.

They also have excellent Briouat usually filled with either chicken or lamb and mixed in with cheese and lemon juice and black pepper and then baked.

Also Chebakia which is fried dough which is post-frying coated with honey and sesame seeds, very wonderful.

Um as a side point, when I was in Texas I was given Mint Juleps and I very much liked them. I had a VERY unpleasant moment though when I thought that Alabama Sweet Tea sounded nice and it was DISGUSTING. The people who produce Alabama Sweet Tea should be just taken out and SHOT, alternatively round them up and send them to Gitmo.

A Mint Julep

Alabama Sweet Tea

 

[Dalia]

You didn't answer my question.
France also acts a terrorist state killing Libyan, Syrians, Maliens, and others. Your state ruined entire countries to get a grip on natural resources and place puppets in to keep stealing resources in Lot of countries around the world. Isn't that a bigger scale terrorism?

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

Issa simply because the terrorist Muslims were the one who massacred the French, Charlie Hebdo, Paris November 2015 and Nice. We can not forgive horrors like that.
The Americans have not forgotten on September 11th 2001 and neither do i and their worst enemy bin Laden

ISSA ;I already told you that terrorism and war are not the same...war was declare to the countries who Attack Threatens the safety of the French

 

[flacaltenn]

.and they were discriminated against when applying for jobs, now some went in bad routes and they hate France. Who should we blame and how can it be corrected?

It's failure of the Govt at all levels to monitor and manage the new migration prompted by war. There's a backlash -- like the original heinous act of this thread --- because govt failed at Humanitarian efforts caused by their wars and then neglected the proper administration of integrating and assimilating the massive numbers that they took in from "the migration"..

Similar in US -- There's a LOT of 3rd and 5th Generation Mexican Americans who OPPOSE the influx of the "different types" of immigrants that are now coming across the Southern border. Most pundits get this wrong. But there is fairly high support from the ESTABLISHED Mex-Am community to do BETTER on our Southern Border problem. We've been INVITING literally THOUSANDS of parent-less children to risk death to come thru Mexico from Central America. That's crazy.. And most people see that as crazy..

 

[Dalia]

Gypsies, the Romanians are wrecking havoc in France (crimes, drug dealing, kidnappings, extortion, killingsl) why don't you say the same about them?

Europe is aging and they need migrants. Is a win win.

What about Economic Migrants, they leave home because their nation doesn't have things like Welfare and other hand outs.

Europe is almost broke, she is in agony
It's a comparison that may be simple, but it means something.
At home you do not invite someone if you can not welcome him propely or you do not like that people invite themself to your house when they are not welcome.
Well, it's the same thing for immigration, you have to have the capacity to receive and the people most agree, but with all the attacks that has been made by Muslims are no longer welcome, it's a normal reaction

Issa simply because the terrorist Muslims were the one who massacred the French, Charlie Hebdo, Paris November 2015 and Nice. We can not forgive horrors like that.
The Americans have not forgotten on September 11th 2001 and neither have I and their worst enemy bin Laden

We haven't and won't forget 9/11 - but I won't blame all Muslims for the acts of those terrorists.

This is where it hurts that day is a horror and everybody reacted differently we have the eternal anti-Americans but I saw on live TV that some of them muslims were happy with the misfortune you were living in USA.
It's unforgivable

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The longer this thread goes on, the more it becomes apparent that some who pretended to be only against extremism are against all Muslims and a disturbing number of people support acts of terrorism against innocent civilians.

Anyone who supports that is as barbaric and subhuman as the terrorists they claim to oppose.

Yes but darling the majority of Leftists in this thread, none of us have EVER seen them condemn the latest act of Islamic Terrorism, a lot of the Leftists in this thread have been in the Killer Kebab threads and ALL we've seen is a combination of Deflection, Apologistic gibberish, desperate attempts to change the subject with WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS?! and all out Trolling One Line Drive By posts.

So forgive the rest of us who CONDEMN EVERY Killer Kebab attack AND offer our thoughts and prayers to the VICTIMS of the Killer Kebabs....forgive us if we aren't all crying about Muh Muslims those poor innocent lambs.

Leftists have no moral ground at ALL to criticise ANYONE on this issue, considering so many Leftists are just shills, Apologists and total Propagandists on the Internets for the 7th Century Satan Death Cult.

How many Leftists for example gave a CRAP about nearly 100 people including children who were mowed down by a poor innocent lamb like Muslim in Nice?

The thread at this forum the night the Nice attack happened is absolutely one of the most vile threads I've ever read, it's full of the Leftist Internets Army For Islam Brigade vomiting everything up about Christians, Islam is peace, it wasn't Muslims, Muslims are innocent, what about Timothy McVeigh etc and I cannot recall ONE condemning the Killer Kebab attack or ONE having ANY sympathy with the dead in Nice.

All this Holier Than Thou moralising from the Leftists is beyond hypocritical and absolutely pathetic.

NO Leftist can even give a logical argument for WHY The West even has to have ANY of these fucking animals in Western nations and don't give the response "but but but they were born in The West" and "but but but Diversity and Stop Being a Racist Bigot"

Give a REASON WHY and stop using absurd emotional and totally irrational horsecrap for WHY we NEED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of Muslims, we have survived perfectly well WITHOUT them.....actually it's WHY we have survived for multiple Centuries because our Ancestors kicked them OUT of The West when they attempted to march in and take control.

Why do Leftists SIDE with Islam? Can any Leftist tell us, let's just take two issues:

Islam is anti-Womens Right and anti-Gays....how does this fit in with your Leftist politics of Feminism and Gays?

Yes but darling the majority of Leftists in this thread, none of us have EVER seen them condemn the latest act of Islamic Terrorism

Bullshit!

This is a straight up lie.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The longer this thread goes on, the more it becomes apparent that some who pretended to be only against extremism are against all Muslims and a disturbing number of people support acts of terrorism against innocent civilians.

Anyone who supports that is as barbaric and subhuman as the terrorists they claim to oppose.

Yes but darling the majority of Leftists in this thread, none of us have EVER seen them condemn the latest act of Islamic Terrorism, a lot of the Leftists in this thread have been in the Killer Kebab threads and ALL we've seen is a combination of Deflection, Apologistic gibberish, desperate attempts to change the subject with WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS?! and all out Trolling One Line Drive By posts.

The majority HAS condemned it. I can't think of anyone who was cheering it, or supporting it - can you?

Did ANYONE call terrorists heroic? Did ANYONE say they hoped to see more attacks like Manchester? Anyone? It's a simple question. Don't you think some lines should not be crossed?

So forgive the rest of us who CONDEMN EVERY Killer Kebab attack AND offer our thoughts and prayers to the VICTIMS of the Killer Kebabs....forgive us if we aren't all crying about Muh Muslims those poor innocent lambs.

No one has criticized anyone who condemns terrorist attacks or offer thoughts and prayers to the victims. In fact, I think everyone has joined in the condemnations and tears.

So...how should I take this statement Lucy? Are you saying when innocent Muslims are mowed down in a terrorist attack they don't deserve similar sympathy and condemnation of the terrorist? Are you saying your glad they were attacked?

Leftists have no moral ground at ALL to criticise ANYONE on this issue, considering so many Leftists are just shills, Apologists and total Propagandists on the Internets for the 7th Century Satan Death Cult.

We have the same moral ground as you and any other person. As any rightist.

How many Leftists for example gave a CRAP about nearly 100 people including children who were mowed down by a poor innocent lamb like Muslin in Nice?

Quite a few more than rightists here in this thread I'm thinking.

The thread at this forum the night the Nice attack happened is absolutely one of the most vile threads I've ever read, it's iull of the Leftist Internets Army For Islam Brigade vomiting everything up about Christians, Islam is peace, it wasn't Muslims, Muslims are innocent, what about Timothy McVeigh etc and I cannot recall ONE condemning the Killer Kebab attack or ONE having ANY sympathy with the dead in Nice.

In that thread, did anyone:
support the terrorists?
applaud the deaths?
hope for more killings of innocent people?

Did they?

All this Holier Than Thou moralising from the Leftists is beyond hypocritical and absolutely pathetic.

How is affirming that there is NO JUSTIFICATION for targeting and killing innocent people? Is that so hard?

NO Leftist can even give a logical argument for WHY The West even has to have ANY of these fucking animals in Western nations and don't give the response "but but but they were born in The West" and "but but but Diversity and Stop Being a Racist Bigot"

Give a REASON WHY and stop using absurd emotional and totally irrational horsecrap for WHY we NEED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of Muslims, we have survived perfectly well WITHOUT them.....actually it's WHY we have survived for multiple Centuries because our Ancestors kicked them OUT of The West when they attempted to march in and take control.

Why do Leftists SIDE with Islam? Can any Leftist tell us, let's just take two issues:

Islam is anti-Womens Right and anti-Gays....how does this fit in with your Leftist politics of Feminism and Gays?

I'm siding with one thing only: that terrorism is WRONG, that targeting and killing innocent people is wrong.

It's that simple Lucy.

I have never made one post supporting acts of terrorism, I also in this thread have not cheerleaded whatever the man's name is who drove the vehicle.

As another point I'm not sure that I even consider this situation in Finsbury Park a terrorist attack, as we have become to know terrorist attacks. It's more like a random drunk man crashed the vehicle, we have no independent verification he shouted that he wanted to kill all Muslims, we only have that from the Iman and his cohorts at the Mosque.

I also in this thread have not cheerleaded whatever the man's name is who drove the vehicle.

Bullshit!
You agreed wholeheartedly with Call sign Chaos as he praised the attacker. You are a liar.

He missed the most important one. Cults are easy to join but invoke very harsh penalties for leaving.

There isn't anything more harsh than supporting death for apostates as does Islam.

The British Marxist Party leader this Jeremy Mohammed bin Corbyn, never met a Radical Terrorist he doesn't like.

You're working very hard to disparage anyone and everyone except the attacker.

No that's what you Leftist pro-Islamist Apologists do every time one of your Camel Jockey Kebab friends slaughters Western peoples on Western streets.

Fuck Islam. Fuck The Paedophile Prophet Mohammed. Fuck Leftist pro-Islamist Apologists.

Post up even one example of any leftist saying anything even close to these gems below, dope.

The attacker was a freedom fighter and a hero, hopefully there will be many more acts of self defense against the Islamic Imperialist invaders to come.

He's a hero for fighting back against tge pedophile worshipping Islamic Imperialist invaders who you so love.

Death to the pedophile worshipping death cult of Mohammad (may piss be upon him).

Post where ANYONE has posted ANYTHING to get likened to an ISIS leader.

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^ What Call Sign Chaos said