BREAKING:Obama says he would veto bill letting you keep your present health care plan

[Derideo_Te]

If you still truly believe in Freedom & Liberty, you would have to support scrapping this Un-American travesty. We just need more good Americans to get involved. They will listen, if you have the numbers.

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

Get that Obamacare...or else! It's a profoundly oppressive intrusion into Citizens' lives. It's not what America is about. It's as Un-American as it gets. It should be scrapped.

The concept of mandatory health insurance is a conservative one as defined by the Heritage Foundation who proposed the ACA in the first place.

 

[dblack]

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

Get that Obamacare...or else! It's a profoundly oppressive intrusion into Citizens' lives. It's not what America is about. It's as Un-American as it gets. It should be scrapped.

The concept of mandatory health insurance is a conservative one as defined by the Heritage Foundation who proposed the ACA in the first place.

And just as wrong.

 

[paulitician]

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

Get that Obamacare...or else! It's a profoundly oppressive intrusion into Citizens' lives. It's not what America is about. It's as Un-American as it gets. It should be scrapped.

The concept of mandatory health insurance is a conservative one as defined by the Heritage Foundation who proposed the ACA in the first place.

Unleash the IRS Hounds! YAY BIG BROTHER!! It's shocking so many are supporting this debacle. Shame on them.

 

[dblack]

If you still truly believe in Freedom & Liberty, you would have to support scrapping this Un-American travesty. We just need more good Americans to get involved. They will listen, if you have the numbers.

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

What's un-American is pinning them down and forcing them to hold still for the gouging.

 

[paulitician]

It's very regrettable so many Americans have chosen to hand so much of their Freedom & Liberty over to Big Brother. This particular Healthcare solution is not the right solution. I just hope & pray the Democrats decide to do what's best for the Country, not their Party. It's time to support repealing this debacle.

 

[Derideo_Te]

If you still truly believe in Freedom & Liberty, you would have to support scrapping this Un-American travesty. We just need more good Americans to get involved. They will listen, if you have the numbers.

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

What's un-American is pinning them down and forcing them to hold still for the gouging.

As opposed to the gouging that they were already getting before the ACA came into law?

 

[Derideo_Te]

It's very regrettable so many Americans have chosen to hand so much of their Freedom & Liberty over to Big Brother. This particular Healthcare solution is not the right solution. I just hope & pray the Democrats decide to do what's best for the Country, not their Party. It's time to support repealing this debacle.

Why would they support repealing the ACA? It isn't as though what existed before was any better. It was considerably worse in fact. The concept of going backwards only appeals to those who have fantasies of what the past was like as opposed to the reality.

 

[dblack]

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

What's un-American is pinning them down and forcing them to hold still for the gouging.

As opposed to the gouging that they were already getting before the ACA came into law?

Yes, as opposed to that. Back then, we could still walk away. Many were. That's why the insurance lobby acquiesced to 'reform' and proceeded to twist it into the corporatist boondoggle it became. They now have us as captive customers.

 

[Derideo_Te]

What's un-American is pinning them down and forcing them to hold still for the gouging.

As opposed to the gouging that they were already getting before the ACA came into law?

Yes, as opposed to that. Back then, we could still walk away. Many were. That's why the insurance lobby acquiesced to 'reform' and proceeded to twist it into the corporatist boondoggle it became. They now have us as captive customers.

Only those with the good fortune to be healthy could afford to "walk away" and hope that they weren't involved in accident. Anyone who was in less than perfect health or who had a sick child was gouged to the point of bankruptcy if they didn't have employer healthcare benefits.

 

[dblack]

As opposed to the gouging that they were already getting before the ACA came into law?

Yes, as opposed to that. Back then, we could still walk away. Many were. That's why the insurance lobby acquiesced to 'reform' and proceeded to twist it into the corporatist boondoggle it became. They now have us as captive customers.

Only those with the good fortune to be healthy could afford to "walk away" and hope that they weren't involved in accident. Anyone who was in less than perfect health or who had a sick child was gouged to the point of bankruptcy if they didn't have employer healthcare benefits.

Bullshit. We had the freedom to choose as much or as little insurance as we thought made sense. ACA took that freedom from us. You can deny that all you want, but the fact won't go away.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Yes, as opposed to that. Back then, we could still walk away. Many were. That's why the insurance lobby acquiesced to 'reform' and proceeded to twist it into the corporatist boondoggle it became. They now have us as captive customers.

Only those with the good fortune to be healthy could afford to "walk away" and hope that they weren't involved in accident. Anyone who was in less than perfect health or who had a sick child was gouged to the point of bankruptcy if they didn't have employer healthcare benefits.

Bullshit. We had the freedom to choose as much or as little insurance as we thought made sense. ACA took that freedom from us. You can deny that all you want, but the fact won't go away.

The dubious "freedom" to watch your child suffering from cystic fibrosis choking on the fluid buildup in their lungs or your spouse dying of breast cancer because you couldn't afford the exorbitant premiums for their "pre-existing conditions". I''ll pass on that BS "freedom" in exchange for affordable healthcare in a heartbeat.

 

[RKMBrown]

Only those with the good fortune to be healthy could afford to "walk away" and hope that they weren't involved in accident. Anyone who was in less than perfect health or who had a sick child was gouged to the point of bankruptcy if they didn't have employer healthcare benefits.

Bullshit. We had the freedom to choose as much or as little insurance as we thought made sense. ACA took that freedom from us. You can deny that all you want, but the fact won't go away.

The dubious "freedom" to watch your child suffering from cystic fibrosis choking on the fluid buildup in their lungs or your spouse dying of breast cancer because you couldn't afford the exorbitant premiums for their "pre-existing conditions". I''ll pass on that BS "freedom" in exchange for affordable healthcare in a heartbeat.

Sorry to hear about your family having all these health problems. How many families do you plan to force into bankruptcy to fund your family finances, so you don't have to find a way to pay your way in life?

Affordable health care is not affordable for the people being forced to pay. It's only affordable for parasites like you.

 

[Antares]

Poor Jake, I've been bitch slapping you since I arrived on this board...you have just NEVER been up to taking me one.....well...or anyone else actually...you are a mental midget.

Antares, if that nonsense keeps you feeling good about yourself, go for it.

Ever notice how much time and effort the extreme right puts into trying to bring others down to their level? It never works but they never give up trying either.

You seem to lack any real ability to comprehend what you read, my apologies.
Jake is a moron who picks the fight and the runs...I don't really care if you like it or not

 

[Antares]

ACA essentially gives the insurance industry the power to levy and collect taxes. We're forced to buy their product yet have no meaningful control over what it costs. It's truly taxation without representation. If we're giving up our freedom to decide individually how to pay for our health care, we should at least retain control as voters in charge of our government. We have no such control over corporations, nor should we.

Don't get me wrong, I think single payer would be, in general, a bad idea. But not as bad as the corporate/government collusion at the heart of ACA.

We're forced to buy their product yet have no meaningful control over what it costs.

Um....do you know who sets the rates?

The insurance lobby.

(5) PREMIUMS-
(A) PREMIUMS SUFFICIENT TO COVER COSTS- The Secretary shall establish geographically adjusted premium rates in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs (including claims and administrative costs) using methods in general use by qualified health plans.

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Nope

 

[dblack]

Only those with the good fortune to be healthy could afford to "walk away" and hope that they weren't involved in accident. Anyone who was in less than perfect health or who had a sick child was gouged to the point of bankruptcy if they didn't have employer healthcare benefits.

Bullshit. We had the freedom to choose as much or as little insurance as we thought made sense. ACA took that freedom from us. You can deny that all you want, but the fact won't go away.

The dubious "freedom" to watch your child suffering from cystic fibrosis choking on the fluid buildup in their lungs or your spouse dying of breast cancer because you couldn't afford the exorbitant premiums for their "pre-existing conditions". I''ll pass on that BS "freedom" in exchange for affordable healthcare in a heartbeat.

No. The fundamental freedom to say "no" to a product or service that isn't, in your view, worth the asking price.

 

[dblack]

We're forced to buy their product yet have no meaningful control over what it costs.

Um....do you know who sets the rates?

The insurance lobby.

(5) PREMIUMS-
(A) PREMIUMS SUFFICIENT TO COVER COSTS- The Secretary shall establish geographically adjusted premium rates in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs (including claims and administrative costs) using methods in general use by qualified health plans.

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Nope

LOL.... riiiiight. "methods in general use by qualified health plans". That says the Secretary will use the same methods the insurance companies do. Tell me you weren't going for irony?

 

[Antares]

The insurance lobby.

(5) PREMIUMS-
(A) PREMIUMS SUFFICIENT TO COVER COSTS- The Secretary shall establish geographically adjusted premium rates in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs (including claims and administrative costs) using methods in general use by qualified health plans.

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Nope

LOL.... riiiiight. "methods in general use by qualified health plans". That says the Secretary will use the same methods the insurance companies do. Tell me you weren't going for irony?

(smile) You were wrong sally, man up.

All rate increases must be filed with the Dept. of Insurances of each State...the Secretary is now an added layer...the Sec and Ins Commissioners will now set rates.

But by all means continue in your ignorance

 

[dblack]

(5) PREMIUMS-
(A) PREMIUMS SUFFICIENT TO COVER COSTS- The Secretary shall establish geographically adjusted premium rates in an amount sufficient to cover expected costs (including claims and administrative costs) using methods in general use by qualified health plans.

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Nope

LOL.... riiiiight. "methods in general use by qualified health plans". That says the Secretary will use the same methods the insurance companies do. Tell me you weren't going for irony?

(smile) You were wrong sally, man up.

All rate increases must be filed with the Dept. of Insurances of each State...the Secretary is now an added layer...the Sec and Ins Commissioners will now set rates.

But by all means continue in your ignorance

I'm neither wrong, nor ignorant. You, however, are naive if you think prices will be set in a way that doesn't guarantee healthy profits to the insurance industry, or that such price setting won't be influence by lobbying. By fixing prices via a regulatory regime, rather than through free markets, profits become a matter of influencing government (something insurance companies are very adept at) rather than attracting customers.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What exactly is "un-American" about allowing corporations to gouge hardworking people over an essential issue like healthcare?

What's un-American is pinning them down and forcing them to hold still for the gouging.

As opposed to the gouging that they were already getting before the ACA came into law?

The difference is one could jump to another insurer.
With ACA, "you will comply"....And then get gouged.
Big difference.
Liberal ideas....so good for us, they have to be mandatory.

 

[oreo]

Bullshit. We had the freedom to choose as much or as little insurance as we thought made sense. ACA took that freedom from us. You can deny that all you want, but the fact won't go away.

The dubious "freedom" to watch your child suffering from cystic fibrosis choking on the fluid buildup in their lungs or your spouse dying of breast cancer because you couldn't afford the exorbitant premiums for their "pre-existing conditions". I''ll pass on that BS "freedom" in exchange for affordable healthcare in a heartbeat.

No. The fundamental freedom to say "no" to a product or service that isn't, in your view, worth the asking price.

It's not only the lies about being able to keep your insurance. Not many are talking about the COST of Obamacare out of their pockets. The states that elected to do Obamacare web-sites are not getting a lot of paying customers. WHY? The premiums are outrageous.

For the millions that are receiving cancellations notices their premiums are doubling or tripling in these state Obamacare exchanges. That's the next shoe to drop if they ever get the Federal web-site working. Which is why only 27,000 signed up for pay for it yourself on these exchanges, while 500,000 signed up for free Medicade.

What a total fiasco.