Breaking News: U.S. Supreme Court Stops Gay Marriage In Utah

[Silhouette]

Oh, I've taken plenty of "higher ground", but I'm tired of you and Sil suggesting that gays can't be good parents or that our existence is a danger to children. I'm FUCKING tired of it so I'll say it again, fuck ya'll and your bullshit.

If those statistics I had provided earlier were attributed to the children of gay parents, would you be so blase about it?

Sure..defending Harvey Milk, demeaning Milk's teen victims saying "who gives a shit" about them, defending splitting up your twin babies to farm one of them [a boy as I recall] out to two gay men friends of yours....yes...you're always taking the higher ground...

You sound like a lovely parent.

Oh hey, you're from San Francisco and active in the LGBT movement there, did you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer? And his emails expressing his eager praise for the folks putting that stuff together for his "entertainment"? Quiet the read. Brush up on your creative defending skills Seawytch. You're going to need them for this one: http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...rights-advocate-sentenced-for-child-porn.html San Franfreakshow dedicated a special week to honor the guy's LGBT legacy. With him and Harvey Milk heading up the moral code of ethics for LGBT, your pleas for marriage [and access to adoptable orphans via marriage] in Utah should be a slam dunk.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

what it boils down to is that this kind of decision should be decided by the people, not a couple of senile swing voters on the Supreme Court.

Incorrect.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy, whose citizens are subject only to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly; Proposition 8 and Amendment 3 are proof of that.

One’s civil liberties are not determined by ‘majority rule,’ as the people lack the authority to decide who will or will not have his civil rights.

What it boils down to is laws seeking to deny same-sex couples their civil liberties are predicated solely on hatred toward gay Americans, not a rational desire to pursue a proper legislative end, where such laws are being invalidated accordingly.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

decisions of WE the people aren't popularity contests either. If that is your attitude towards Democracy/Republicanism, Then maybe you should move to some dictatorship somewhere. Apparently you would rather have a panel of judges such as a beauty contest would have.

If we had waited for interracial marriage to be "popular"...

Oops, and how about this?

So let's get that National referendum eh? The blue states (where all the people live) will decide.

I am an advocate for a national initiative/referendum option....I have no problem with that...that is the way it should be done.

Fortunately the Framers had a problem with that, hence a Republic as opposed to a democracy.

And in a Constitutional Republic, a ‘national initiative/referendum’ would still be subject to a court challenge, and its results rendered invalid if demonstrated repugnant to the Constitution.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, I've taken plenty of "higher ground", but I'm tired of you and Sil suggesting that gays can't be good parents or that our existence is a danger to children. I'm FUCKING tired of it so I'll say it again, fuck ya'll and your bullshit.

If those statistics I had provided earlier were attributed to the children of gay parents, would you be so blase about it?

Sure..defending Harvey Milk, demeaning Milk's teen victims saying "who gives a shit" about them, defending splitting up your twin babies to farm one of them [a boy as I recall] out to two gay men friends of yours....yes...you're always taking the higher ground...

You sound like a lovely parent.

Oh hey, you're from San Francisco and active in the LGBT movement there, did you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer? And his emails expressing his eager praise for the folks putting that stuff together for his "entertainment"? Quiet the read. Brush up on your creative defending skills Seawytch. You're going to need them for this one: http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...rights-advocate-sentenced-for-child-porn.html San Franfreakshow dedicated a special week to honor the guy's LGBT legacy. With him and Harvey Milk heading up the moral code of ethics for LGBT, your pleas for marriage [and access to adoptable orphans via marriage] in Utah should be a slam dunk.

Sil, heterosexuals do the same thing. And say nothing about family or personal parenting. Your only warning.

So grow up and step off.

 

[JakeStarkey]

you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer?

Hey did you hear about Anti-Gay Christian Activist anti-gay activist sentenced for child porn - Bing

Arrested for Child Pornography A New Hampshire lawyer who works with a "virulently anti-gay" Christian organization has been convicted of multiple federal child pornography charges for transporting her young daughter from the U.S. to Canada, and filming her having sex with various men, numerous times.

 

[WorldWatcher]

what it boils down to is that this kind of decision should be decided by the people, not a couple of senile swing voters on the Supreme Court.

The people of Alabama decided to amend their constitution to deny interracial marriage also. It was one of the states overturned in the Loving decision.


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[beagle9]

No, the facts of the study is placing blame where it belongs, on intolerant assholes. 43% of gay teens are forced out by their parents...parents that are supposed to love and protect them until they can take care of themselves.

You know where I stand, but the above needs a little clarification from your previous post.

It's not "43% of gays teens" it was 43% of homeless teens there were gay. I'm 100% in agreement that parents that force a gay teen out of the home are intolerant assholes but your misstatements paints a picture which I believe you weren't going for in that 43% of straight parent will kick out a gay teen. I don't think that is true.



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No, that wasn't a picture I ever intended to paint. 43% of the gay homeless teens were told to be there by their parents and another 46% left because their parents made it intolerable to be there...by, you know, telling them they are sick, perverted and will burn in hell. That's the kind of thing a kid wants to hear from their parents isn't it?

No the young adult (hopefully that is who you are refering to and no younger) wants to stay there and force everyone to suffer and agree because of his or her wanting to newly try something out in life. The parents of course don't or shouldn't want them to believe that what they do is ok, especially under the same roof with them if they believe that it is a sinful thing to engage in something like that. Now if the young adult wants to move on, and is legal to move on then so be it, but the parents should be strong enough to allow them to move on, and not agree to something that they do not agree with in life, and especially within their own homes. It's sad that they lose their young adults so easily to these things these days, but with the outside pressures so high now, it doesn't surprise me a bit. Oh and as many as there are now for whom are falling these days, you can't tell me that they were all just born that a way, because that argument is becoming more and more rediculous as the days go by.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, I've taken plenty of "higher ground", but I'm tired of you and Sil suggesting that gays can't be good parents or that our existence is a danger to children. I'm FUCKING tired of it so I'll say it again, fuck ya'll and your bullshit.



If those statistics I had provided earlier were attributed to the children of gay parents, would you be so blase about it?

Sure..defending Harvey Milk, demeaning Milk's teen victims saying "who gives a shit" about them, defending splitting up your twin babies to farm one of them [a boy as I recall] out to two gay men friends of yours....yes...you're always taking the higher ground...



You sound like a lovely parent.



Oh hey, you're from San Francisco and active in the LGBT movement there, did you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer? And his emails expressing his eager praise for the folks putting that stuff together for his "entertainment"? Quiet the read. Brush up on your creative defending skills Seawytch. You're going to need them for this one: http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...rights-advocate-sentenced-for-child-porn.html San Franfreakshow dedicated a special week to honor the guy's LGBT legacy. With him and Harvey Milk heading up the moral code of ethics for LGBT, your pleas for marriage [and access to adoptable orphans via marriage] in Utah should be a slam dunk.

Shit for brains, I already told you I didn't split up any twins,

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, I've taken plenty of "higher ground", but I'm tired of you and Sil suggesting that gays can't be good parents or that our existence is a danger to children. I'm FUCKING tired of it so I'll say it again, fuck ya'll and your bullshit.



If those statistics I had provided earlier were attributed to the children of gay parents, would you be so blase about it?

Sure..defending Harvey Milk, demeaning Milk's teen victims saying "who gives a shit" about them, defending splitting up your twin babies to farm one of them [a boy as I recall] out to two gay men friends of yours....yes...you're always taking the higher ground...



You sound like a lovely parent.



Oh hey, you're from San Francisco and active in the LGBT movement there, did you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer? And his emails expressing his eager praise for the folks putting that stuff together for his "entertainment"? Quiet the read. Brush up on your creative defending skills Seawytch. You're going to need them for this one: http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...rights-advocate-sentenced-for-child-porn.html San Franfreakshow dedicated a special week to honor the guy's LGBT legacy. With him and Harvey Milk heading up the moral code of ethics for LGBT, your pleas for marriage [and access to adoptable orphans via marriage] in Utah should be a slam dunk.

Shit for brains, I already told you I didn't split up any twins,

Oh, and the surrogate babies were not my children, ignoramus.

 

[beagle9]

what it boils down to is that this kind of decision should be decided by the people, not a couple of senile swing voters on the Supreme Court.

Equal rights isn't a popularity contest.

Equal rights has become a progressive thing that seems to have no ending to it in sight, especially in this new blanketing form. I mean everyone is jumping on the band wagon with their little new creations in which they want covered under the same rights altogether now, but soon the band wagon will overload, and the people will rebel against alot of the devilish crap that is being added to it these days. We are seeing a lot of bull crap now added or attempted to be added, in which was never intended to be added to these rights, so let the band wagon keep on loading because soon it will break. Then what ?

 

[Silhouette]

Sil, heterosexuals do the same thing. And say nothing about family or personal parenting. Your only warning.

So grow up and step off.

Your only warning:

Heterosexuals don't know someone is a child predator and elevate him as their sexuality icon in spite of that knowledge. KEY difference...

 

[Silhouette]

Sure..defending Harvey Milk, demeaning Milk's teen victims saying "who gives a shit" about them, defending splitting up your twin babies to farm one of them [a boy as I recall] out to two gay men friends of yours....yes...you're always taking the higher ground...



You sound like a lovely parent.



Oh hey, you're from San Francisco and active in the LGBT movement there, did you hear about this guy heading up that movement who was busted for pictures of toddlers being sodomized on his computer? And his emails expressing his eager praise for the folks putting that stuff together for his "entertainment"? Quiet the read. Brush up on your creative defending skills Seawytch. You're going to need them for this one: http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...rights-advocate-sentenced-for-child-porn.html San Franfreakshow dedicated a special week to honor the guy's LGBT legacy. With him and Harvey Milk heading up the moral code of ethics for LGBT, your pleas for marriage [and access to adoptable orphans via marriage] in Utah should be a slam dunk.

Shit for brains, I already told you I didn't split up any twins,

Oh, and the surrogate babies were not my children, ignoramus.

I clearly remember you said you sent one of the twins off and one remained with you. Are you sure none of those babies you shipped out were from your DNA?

You never did say anything about that child porn LGBT advocate guy. What's your opinion. I'm curious.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

what it boils down to is that this kind of decision should be decided by the people, not a couple of senile swing voters on the Supreme Court.

Equal rights isn't a popularity contest.

Equal rights has become a progressive thing that seems to have no ending to it in sight, especially in this new blanketing form. I mean everyone is jumping on the band wagon with their little new creations in which they want covered under the same rights altogether now, but soon the band wagon will overload, and the people will rebel against alot of the devilish crap that is being added to it these days. We are seeing a lot of bull crap now added or attempted to be added, in which was never intended to be added to these rights, so let the band wagon keep on loading because soon it will break. Then what ?

And it’s this sort of ignorance that poses the greatest threat to our civil liberties.

Same-sex couples have always had the right to access marriage law, nothing ‘new’ is being ‘created’ or ‘demanded.’ The issue involves the states denying same-sex couples the rights they’ve always possessed, in violation of the 14th Amendment.

 

[beagle9]

Equal rights isn't a popularity contest.

decisions of WE the people aren't popularity contests either. If that is your attitude towards Democracy/Republicanism, Then maybe you should move to some dictatorship somewhere. Apparently you would rather have a panel of judges such as a beauty contest would have.

I'd much rather a real judge making the call then a bunch of homophobes.

What's a real judge to you, maybe a man that wears womens clothing under his robe or a woman that wears men's clothing under her robe ?

Hollywood & the feds have this nation so screwed up anymore, that it isn't even funny anymore.

People don't know who or what they are anymore, where as they have to go and ask someone or maybe get on the Dr. Phil show before all is said and done.

 

[beagle9]

Equal rights isn't a popularity contest.

Equal rights has become a progressive thing that seems to have no ending to it in sight, especially in this new blanketing form. I mean everyone is jumping on the band wagon with their little new creations in which they want covered under the same rights altogether now, but soon the band wagon will overload, and the people will rebel against alot of the devilish crap that is being added to it these days. We are seeing a lot of bull crap now added or attempted to be added, in which was never intended to be added to these rights, so let the band wagon keep on loading because soon it will break. Then what ?

And it’s this sort of ignorance that poses the greatest threat to our civil liberties.

Same-sex couples have always had the right to access marriage law, nothing ‘new’ is being ‘created’ or ‘demanded.’ The issue involves the states denying same-sex couples the rights they’ve always possessed, in violation of the 14th Amendment.

So why don't you allow the states to vote then, and to have the last word on it in each state, I mean if it is such a straight foward no contest normal situation ? I know why, it's because you all know you are wrong on this, but you are going to use the feds to your advantage because of their idiocy and the infiltration that has taken place now, and you will use their judicial bullying against the will of the people in order to push your agenda on the nation without it's blessings. Classic !

These things are not a like no matter how much you all try and make them so in the eyes of the government. Oh well, yall might as well ride the bandwagon for as long as you can I guess, because that is what has been created here.

 

[dcraelin]

If we had waited for interracial marriage to be "popular"...

I am an advocate for a national initiative/referendum option....I have no problem with that...that is the way it should be done.

Fortunately the Framers had a problem with that, hence a Republic as opposed to a democracy.

And in a Constitutional Republic, a ‘national initiative/referendum’ would still be subject to a court challenge, and its results rendered invalid if demonstrated repugnant to the Constitution.

you are absolutely wrong on the meaning of Republic. Republic and Democracy mean the same thing. Those opposed to the constitution were the original Republicans.

A national referendum might be challenged, but sense the only thing that gives the Constitution legitimacy is its conformity to the will of the people, it is unlikely a court challenge would work.

Our Bill of rights was not originally in the Constitution, they are Amendments passed by a majority vote due to the will of the people.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/membe...ture5998-jefferson-on-mtrushmore-w-quotes.jpg

 

[Flopper]

Good that the Supreme Court put a halt to this. The solution here is to ask the residents of Utah during the midterms later this year. Let the residents of Utah decide the direction of their state.

Putting civil rights up for a ballot question is one of the worst things you can do to a group of people you know.

What do you think would happen if the people of Alabama were left to decide the fate of the African American communities in the 1960's?

Civil rights have nothing to do with what we are discussing here.

And you shouldn't speculate what would or wouldn't have happen. The people may have surprised you. But we will never know because the Courts had their way first.

I think civil rights are the basic issue in this discussion, whether a person has the right to enter into a marriage contract with the person of their choice.

 

[dcraelin]

Good that the Supreme Court put a halt to this. The solution here is to ask the residents of Utah during the midterms later this year. Let the residents of Utah decide the direction of their state.

Putting civil rights up for a ballot question is one of the worst things you can do to a group of people you know.

What do you think would happen if the people of Alabama were left to decide the fate of the African American communities in the 1960's?

Civil rights have nothing to do with what we are discussing here.

And you shouldn't speculate what would or wouldn't have happen. The people may have surprised you. But we will never know because the Courts had their way first.

thats right, and the courts in the south were probably worse than the people as a whole in regard to the issue.....The Supreme court itself has a pathetic history in this regard.

 

[Seawytch]

Shit for brains, I already told you I didn't split up any twins,

Oh, and the surrogate babies were not my children, ignoramus.

I clearly remember you said you sent one of the twins off and one remained with you. Are you sure none of those babies you shipped out were from your DNA?

You never did say anything about that child porn LGBT advocate guy. What's your opinion. I'm curious.

Then you, clearly, need reading comprehension lessons. I never said any such thing. I've told you twice now that the twins were not mine, are not separated and both live with their sister and fathers. I was a gestational surrogate. Look it the fuck up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Good that the Supreme Court put a halt to this. The solution here is to ask the residents of Utah during the midterms later this year. Let the residents of Utah decide the direction of their state.

Putting civil rights up for a ballot question is one of the worst things you can do to a group of people you know.

What do you think would happen if the people of Alabama were left to decide the fate of the African American communities in the 1960's?

Civil rights have nothing to do with what we are discussing here.

And you shouldn't speculate what would or wouldn't have happen. The people may have surprised you. But we will never know because the Courts had their way first.

Nonsense.

The issue is solely about civil rights.

Various state governments are seeking to deny same-sex couples their right to due process and equal protection of the law by denying them access to marriage contracts they’re eligible to enter into.

Also nonsense is the notion that the courts ‘had their way first.’

The people initially sought to deny same-sex couples their civil liberties by enacting measures offensive to the Constitution; same-sex couples had no other recourse than to seek relief in the Federal courts, where the courts consistently and appropriately applied established and settled 14th Amendment jurisprudence and invalidated those un-Constitutional measures.

It’s ridiculous therefore to argue that citizens whose civil liberties have been violated should be compelled to ‘wait patiently’ in the hope that at some unknown point in the future the people will acquiesce and ‘allow’ citizens so adversely effected their civil rights, particularly when it’s not the people’s place to make such a determination in the first place.