Breaking News: Israel Bombs Al Aqsa Hospital Killing 4 and wounding 60

[irosie91]

Hypocrite. When Daniel provided a pages-long Wikipedia list of all the rockets coming out of Gaza and falling on Israel in this year alone, instead of talking about the issue, you attacked the news source.

Manchester, what is the reason for your hypocricy?

What is your reason for being soulless?

How does filth like you have the audacity to question the existence of the
"soul" of humans. Did the pile of excrement you worship "speak" to
as it did to the rapist pig? For how long have you been communicating
with shit?

 

[Kondor3]

...Nothing Hamas did or could do justifies unlawfully targeting a hospital...

Incorrect...

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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Commentary - Art. 19. Part II : General protection of populations against certain consequences of war

[p.154] ARTICLE 19 [ Link ] . -- DISCONTINUANCE OF PROTECTION OF HOSPITALS

PARAGRAPH 1. -- CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH PROTECTION IS DISCONTINUED

1. ' Basic condition -- Acts harmful to the enemy '

The immunity bestowed on civilian hospitals cannot be taken away unless they are used to commit acts harmful to the enemy. The wording adopted by the Diplomatic Conference was intended to draw attention to the exceptional character of the provision and to make it clear that protection could only be discontinued in this one case.

Despite the efforts of the 1949 Conference (1), it was not found possible to produce a more concrete definition of the notion "acts harmful to the enemy" (in the French version: actes nuisibles à l'ennemi), which had already been used in the 1929 version of the First Geneva Convention. The idea was made clearer, however, by the insertion of the phrase "outside their humanitarian duties".

Such harmful acts would, for example, include the use of a hospital as a shelter for able-bodied combatants or fugitives, as an arms or ammunition store, as a military observation post, or as a centre for liaison with fighting troops.

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http://www.icrc.org/ihl/COM/380-600183?OpenDocument

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Under such conditions, targeting of a hospital is NOT unlawful.

Epic Fail.

 

[Manchester]

...Nothing Hamas did or could do justifies unlawfully targeting a hospital...

Incorrect...

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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Commentary - Art. 19. Part II : General protection of populations against certain consequences of war

[p.154] ARTICLE 19 [ Link ] . -- DISCONTINUANCE OF PROTECTION OF HOSPITALS

PARAGRAPH 1. -- CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH PROTECTION IS DISCONTINUED

1. ' Basic condition -- Acts harmful to the enemy '

The immunity bestowed on civilian hospitals cannot be taken away unless they are used to commit acts harmful to the enemy. The wording adopted by the Diplomatic Conference was intended to draw attention to the exceptional character of the provision and to make it clear that protection could only be discontinued in this one case.

Despite the efforts of the 1949 Conference (1), it was not found possible to produce a more concrete definition of the notion "acts harmful to the enemy" (in the French version: actes nuisibles à l'ennemi), which had already been used in the 1929 version of the First Geneva Convention. The idea was made clearer, however, by the insertion of the phrase "outside their humanitarian duties".

Such harmful acts would, for example, include the use of a hospital as a shelter for able-bodied combatants or fugitives, as an arms or ammunition store, as a military observation post, or as a centre for liaison with fighting troops.

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You really counldn't make it up. How low can you go that justifying the killing people in a hospital. Morally lower than holocaust denial. Really really just sick stuff.

 

[Kondor3]

...You really counldn't make it up. How low can you go that justifying the killing people in a hospital. Morally lower than holocaust denial. Really really just sick stuff.

The bunker in the basement of the hospital was being utilized as a Hamas command center.

Weapons were being stored in the hospital.

The hospital was being utilized to shelter active, armed combatants.

Rockets were stored on the premises.

The hospital was being utilized as an observation post by Hamas.

Anti-tank fire was coming from Hamas militiamen inside the hospital.

The hospital was in an area that had received warnings to evacuate, 24-48 hours prior.

Most of the hospital patients and staff had already been evacuated; only a small percentage remained on the premises.

Hamas militiamen opened fire upon IDF forces from inside the premises.

Hamas violated the Geneva Convention five ways to Sunday, in using the hospital like that.

One of the things about EU (and even some Brit) Jew-haters is that - playing the part of useful idiots for Militant Islam, in general, and Hamas in this case, in particular - they will lie and obscure and impede the truth about Hamas and its culpability in setting the stage for such incidents, and incite emotionalism, in a lame-assed attempt to deflect attention away from the true range of circumstances surrounding the incident.

Don't like what happened here, Princess?

Tell your bosom buddies in Hamas not to infest a hospital like that, next time.

THAT is the TRUE 'sickness', in all of this.

Suck it up, cupcake... the rest of the world is 'on' to what you're trying (and failing) to accomplish here.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Hospitals are generally protected

"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit…acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.”[5]

While the period of ‘reasonable time’ is not specified, it must be ‘long enough’ to allow the hospital to respond to unfounded accusations, to cease the unlawful acts and retain its protected status, or to remove the hospital patients to safety before an attack.

However, even in a situation where a hospital is acting as a command centre, and after due warning has been given, any attack has to adhere to the principles of IHL in order to be lawful, namely proportionality and precaution. Only the specific part of the hospital in question, one particular wing, for example, could be targeted. Crucially, however, the damage to civilians must be carefully measured and it cannot exceed the expected military advantage of the attack. The threshold of proportionality for essential civilian infrastructure, including medical facilities and hospitals, is very high."


Operation Protective Edge: Medical facilities and IHL - Diakonia

 

[Kondor3]

Ahhhhhhhhh...

And now we've magically gone from 'unlawful' to 'well, maybe, if all of the following..."...

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha...

Gotta love it...

Dumbass Militant Muslim propaganda shills keep moving the goalposts but end-up chasing their own tails --- again.

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Hospitals are generally protected

"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit&#8230;acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.&#8221;[5]

While the period of &#8216;reasonable time&#8217; is not specified, it must be &#8216;long enough&#8217; to allow the hospital to respond to unfounded accusations, to cease the unlawful acts and retain its protected status, or to remove the hospital patients to safety before an attack.

However, even in a situation where a hospital is acting as a command centre, and after due warning has been given, any attack has to adhere to the principles of IHL in order to be lawful, namely proportionality and precaution. Only the specific part of the hospital in question, one particular wing, for example, could be targeted. Crucially, however, the damage to civilians must be carefully measured and it cannot exceed the expected military advantage of the attack. The threshold of proportionality for essential civilian infrastructure, including medical facilities and hospitals, is very high."


Operation Protective Edge: Medical facilities and IHL - Diakonia

 

[Faun]

This is why Israel strikes so-called, "civilian" targets ... because they're not civilian targets ... Hamas uses women, children and infirmed as human shields. Here's evidence that Hamas fires rockets from schools....

 

[Billo_Really]

We are on topic. Trouble is, you don't like the response. If it were not for Hamas Actions Israel would not be doing what they are. Why didn't they accept Egypt's cease fire? That question IS relevant.

You're a fuckin' liar!

Israel started launching missiles on July 4. No rockets pre-dated that.

You're the ones who decided to pull the trigger on the hospital, not Hamas.

Why don't you and your fucked up compadre's grow a pair and take some responsibility for the shit things you do? Fuckin' pussy's!

 

[Hollie]

We are on topic. Trouble is, you don't like the response. If it were not for Hamas Actions Israel would not be doing what they are. Why didn't they accept Egypt's cease fire? That question IS relevant.

You're a fuckin' liar!

Israel started launching missiles on July 4. No rockets pre-dated that.

You're the ones who decided to pull the trigger on the hospital, not Hamas.

Why don't you and your fucked up compadre's grow a pair and take some responsibility for the shit things you do? Fuckin' pussy's!

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

 

[Billo_Really]

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

Okay, if you want to go there, then lets go there.

The very first rocket attack, didn't occur until 2001.

The occupation started a full 37 years before that.

BTW, there isn't a single rocket attack you can mention, where I can't find Israeli military action before it.

 

[Hollie]

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

Okay, if you want to go there, then lets go there.

The very first rocket attack, didn't occur until 2001.

The occupation started a full 37 years before that.

BTW, there isn't a single rocket attack you can mention, where I can't find Israeli military action before it.

You're such a clown.

Are you suggesting that rocket attacks from the Pali terrorists are to be excused?

BTW, Israel has been more than measured in its response to attacks by Pali terrorists. There isn't a single attack by Pali terrorists you can mention that doesn't require an Israeli response.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're such a clown.

And you're a taco short of a combo plate.

Are you suggesting that rocket attacks from the Pali terrorists are to be excused?

Oh, looky here, the little bitch is trying to move the goal posts?

BTW, Israel has been more than measured in its response to attacks by Pali terrorists. There isn't a single attack by Pali terrorists you can mention that doesn't require an Israeli response.

The death toll is 20-1 and you call that measured? Fuck you!

 

[Manchester]

Hypocrite. When Daniel provided a pages-long Wikipedia list of all the rockets coming out of Gaza and falling on Israel in this year alone, instead of talking about the issue, you attacked the news source.

Manchester, what is the reason for your hypocricy?

There wasn;t any hypocrisy. In the discussion in which I laughed that the user had posted a link to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a great source of knowledge but easily open to abuse and can be changed at will by anyone. Had Dan (I'm going to call him Dan from now on, like we're old pals from college) posted an actual news story I'd have been fine with that no matter what the source provided it was an actual news story and not something that he himself could easily have written.

As it was if you had followed that conversation with Danny to it's natural conclusion you would have seen that what I had said was right, the 4 deaths that he was painting as due to Hamas rockets were being done so disingenuously and in fact the Danster was in fact shifting the goalposts mid argument.

But I fully expect you to ignore thsi entire point and go back to blaiming the people of gaza for being in the way of Israeli bombs and deserving to die or whatever way you're justifying genocide today.

The words that both of you are looking for are"we're sorry we called you names that were clearly wrong as you have just shown us"

 

[aris2chat]

We are on topic. Trouble is, you don't like the response. If it were not for Hamas Actions Israel would not be doing what they are. Why didn't they accept Egypt's cease fire? That question IS relevant.

You're a fuckin' liar!

Israel started launching missiles on July 4. No rockets pre-dated that.

You're the ones who decided to pull the trigger on the hospital, not Hamas.

Why don't you and your fucked up compadre's grow a pair and take some responsibility for the shit things you do? Fuckin' pussy's!

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

Date Rockets Fired
1 July &#8776;4
2 July 12 &#8776; 13mortar bombs
3 July 13
4 July 25 >4 mortar bombs
5 July >6 several mortar bombs
6 July >29
7 July About 80

 

[Manchester]

You're a fuckin' liar!

Israel started launching missiles on July 4. No rockets pre-dated that.

You're the ones who decided to pull the trigger on the hospital, not Hamas.

Why don't you and your fucked up compadre's grow a pair and take some responsibility for the shit things you do? Fuckin' pussy's!

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

Date Rockets Fired
1 July &#8776;4
2 July 12 &#8776; 13mortar bombs
3 July 13
4 July 25 >4 mortar bombs
5 July >6 several mortar bombs
6 July >29
7 July About 80

"How many have the rockets killed so far?"

"None"

"What? NOBODY?! How are we going to justify the shelling of Gaza?"

"We could count how many shots they fire and pretend to get all outeraged about that?"

"Will anyone actually buy that?"

"I don't see why not, if someone points ouit nobody is being killed we'll call them an anti-semi who wants jews dead"

"And it will make it seem like a war and not a massacre"

"Lets get counting"

 

[irosie91]

No rockets pre-dated July 4?

Except for all the rockets that pre-dated July 4.

You're falsely and dishonestly hoping to assert that a temporary Hudna was anything more than an opportunity for Pali terrorists to re-arm.

Sorry, clueless.

Date Rockets Fired
1 July &#8776;4
2 July 12 &#8776; 13mortar bombs
3 July 13
4 July 25 >4 mortar bombs
5 July >6 several mortar bombs
6 July >29
7 July About 80

"How many have the rockets killed so far?"

"None"

"What? NOBODY?! How are we going to justify the shelling of Gaza?"

"We could count how many shots they fire and pretend to get all outeraged about that?"

"Will anyone actually buy that?"

"I don't see why not, if someone points ouit nobody is being killed we'll call them an anti-semi who wants jews dead"

"And it will make it seem like a war and not a massacre"

"Lets get counting"

very good Manchester-----by your reckoning England was guilty of a war crime in its
bombing of Berlin-----1945-----in fact so was the USA
You are in good company------when I was a kid-----a german national lived next door---
He HATED the brits------he survived the bombing of berlin in 1945----as far as he
was concerned it was 100% an RAF CRIME------he hated jews too-----he was grumpy
all the time UNTIL June 1967----when he anticipated with JOY-----the death of the jews
in Israel--------poor guy got grumpy again .... by June 15 he was a wreck

 

[Yarddog]

Stay on topic please, the topic is Israel's unlawful attacks on a hospital that killed 5 patients, 4 who were in surgery , and wounded 60, half medical staff at the hospital.

I read Israel hit the third floor of the hospital, there are photos blasted all over social media of the damaged hospital. I'm not posting photos here, it would take too much of my time.

While I find it interesting how you read 4 pages of a thread with only 2 pages (16 posts before mine), I was actually referring to Hamas. I was hoping to get Sherri's opinion on that.

I apologize.
What i actually meant to say was that it's difficult to get a grasp on all the arguments being presented without reading through a good number of the threads on this subject.
The Pro-Palis are throwing shit at the wall via thread after thread to try to prevent focus.

If Hammas uses Hospitals as a military base, then they know what to expect. If they dont care, why should anyone else. When the world stops caring , then they will stop using the hospitals for a military base, then they can have a cease fire and th epeople will stop dying. Until then Hammas will continue to sacrifice its own people to get sentiment against Israel

 

[Yarddog]

Here's the topic. Hamas Palestinian animals using their own people many of them kids, as human shields.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WPgVvOHdsLQ

That pretty much sums it up. Why do they keep them all grouped together like that. Then they are going to cry as they parade their bodies down the street. What fucking morons

 

[aris2chat]

Date Rockets Fired
1 July &#8776;4
2 July 12 &#8776; 13mortar bombs
3 July 13
4 July 25 >4 mortar bombs
5 July >6 several mortar bombs
6 July >29
7 July About 80

"How many have the rockets killed so far?"

"None"

"What? NOBODY?! How are we going to justify the shelling of Gaza?"

"We could count how many shots they fire and pretend to get all outeraged about that?"

"Will anyone actually buy that?"

"I don't see why not, if someone points ouit nobody is being killed we'll call them an anti-semi who wants jews dead"

"And it will make it seem like a war and not a massacre"

"Lets get counting"

very good Manchester-----by your reckoning England was guilty of a war crime in its
bombing of Berlin-----1945-----in fact so was the USA
You are in good company------when I was a kid-----a german national lived next door---
He HATED the brits------he survived the bombing of berlin in 1945----as far as he
was concerned it was 100% an RAF CRIME------he hated jews too-----he was grumpy
all the time UNTIL June 1967----when he anticipated with JOY-----the death of the jews
in Israel--------poor guy got grumpy again .... by June 15 he was a wreck

First it's no rockets, then they find out about the rocket it is but there were no deaths. Israel was attacked, it does not matter that hamas did not kill anyone, they tried. If someone breaks your window, it is still an attempt to do harm, a crime. If you get hit but it is not serious wound, it is still harm, a crime. Do you have to be killed before you can have the criminal arrested???
A rock is still a weapon and a broken window is still a crime and a bruise is still an injury...............and criminal can still be arrested and sent to jail.

Hamas attacked a nation and Israel as a nation has a right to defend it's land and it's people. Hamas could have talked, but they chose to fire rockets at Israel, they chose war and that was the reply they should have expected, but now they cry uncle, throw another rock, cry uncle, throw a rock... they do not actually want peace, they just want to look the victim on the morning papers.

You choose to step in a ring with a heavy weight, throw a few punches and expect the other fighter to stand there and take your abuse? You take one hit and are bleeding, but you don't stop, you keeping hitting the bigger guy, not smart but you could have stop, you did not have to get in the ring in the first place, but you should not expect to be allowed to keep hitting till the other guy falls down before getting hit back.

Israel was fired on and it replied. Gaza had illegal weapons, was stealing building material to build illegal weapons to attack or kidnap those in Israel. Israel was still delivering supplies to gaza even when Egypt had stopped. Israel had a right to prevent weapon material from entering gaza but hamas cries as if Israel was starving the people.

Hamas is responsible for it's own troubles but cries to the cameras that they are so abused. Time hamas stop waging war on Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is a nation that is occupying and oppressing about 4 million people. Those under siege have a right to resist. Israel is a murderous society for the most part.