CDZ BLM's 10-point manifesto

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Protesting and screaming get people's attention, but at some point you have to get clear and specific. Well, it looks like Black Lives Matter has done that.

In our terribly binary society, many will throw these out as a group because they don't like or agree with one or two points. So: Which of these ideas is/are absolutely unworkable and unreasonable? Where we can find areas of agreement here? This doesn't look like a list of crazy, off the wall ideas to me.

Black Lives Matter Just Delivered Their 10 Point Manifesto, and This Is What They Want

1. End “broken windows” policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.

4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.

5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.

6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn’t want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?

7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.

8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.

9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society’s issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.

10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are oftendiscouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

 

[rightwinger]

Protesting and screaming get people's attention, but at some point you have to get clear and specific. Well, it looks like Black Lives Matter has done that.

In our terribly binary society, many will throw these out as a group because they don't like or agree with one or two points. So: Which of these ideas is/are absolutely unworkable and unreasonable? Where we can find areas of agreement here? This doesn't look like a list of crazy, off the wall ideas to me.

Black Lives Matter Just Delivered Their 10 Point Manifesto, and This Is What They Want

1. End “broken windows” policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.

4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.

5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.

6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn’t want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?

7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.

8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.

9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society’s issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.

10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are oftendiscouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Protesting and screaming get people's attention, but at some point you have to get clear and specific. Well, it looks like Black Lives Matter has done that.

In our terribly binary society, many will throw these out as a group because they don't like or agree with one or two points. So: Which of these ideas is/are absolutely unworkable and unreasonable? Where we can find areas of agreement here? This doesn't look like a list of crazy, off the wall ideas to me.

Black Lives Matter Just Delivered Their 10 Point Manifesto, and This Is What They Want

1. End “broken windows” policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.

4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.

5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.

6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn’t want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?

7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.

8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.

9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society’s issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.

10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are oftendiscouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

The key phrase being "used to be"

AND let's just admit the truth. The minorities who choose to be cops aren't any more well liked by these BLM fools than white cops are. It isn't as if minorities who hate cops are suddenly going to be all "oh hey he's brown/black like me , so it's al good" nope, they just call them Uncle Toms and move on.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do not respect police officers, or any other form of authority. They know more want to be arrested by a black cop than they do a white one.

AND in fact studies have shown that minority officers are actually harsher on minorities than are white police

Do diverse police forces treat their communities more fairly than almost-all-white ones like Ferguson’s?

 

[rightwinger]

Protesting and screaming get people's attention, but at some point you have to get clear and specific. Well, it looks like Black Lives Matter has done that.

In our terribly binary society, many will throw these out as a group because they don't like or agree with one or two points. So: Which of these ideas is/are absolutely unworkable and unreasonable? Where we can find areas of agreement here? This doesn't look like a list of crazy, off the wall ideas to me.

Black Lives Matter Just Delivered Their 10 Point Manifesto, and This Is What They Want

1. End “broken windows” policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.

4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.

5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.

6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn’t want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?

7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.

8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.

9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society’s issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.

10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are oftendiscouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

The key phrase being "used to be"

AND let's just admit the truth. The minorities who choose to be cops aren't any more well liked by these BLM fools than white cops are. It isn't as if minorities who hate cops are suddenly going to be all "oh hey he's brown/black like me , so it's al good" nope, they just call them Uncle Toms and move on.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do not respect police officers, or any other form of authority. They know more want to be arrested by a black cop than they do a white one.

AND in fact studies have shown that minority officers are actually harsher on minorities than are white police

Do diverse police forces treat their communities more fairly than almost-all-white ones like Ferguson’s?

Maybe so but it is a question of fairness to the community being served

Officers in minority neighborhoods should be able to speak the language of the people in that neighborhood. Those who don't should be required to learn

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

The key phrase being "used to be"

AND let's just admit the truth. The minorities who choose to be cops aren't any more well liked by these BLM fools than white cops are. It isn't as if minorities who hate cops are suddenly going to be all "oh hey he's brown/black like me , so it's al good" nope, they just call them Uncle Toms and move on.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do not respect police officers, or any other form of authority. They know more want to be arrested by a black cop than they do a white one.

AND in fact studies have shown that minority officers are actually harsher on minorities than are white police

Do diverse police forces treat their communities more fairly than almost-all-white ones like Ferguson’s?

Maybe so but it is a question of fairness to the community being served

Officers in minority neighborhoods should be able to speak the language of the people in that neighborhood. Those who don't should be required to learn

On that topic, I agree with it for the most part. If a neighborhood is predominantly Spanish speaking people, it only makes sense to have Spanish speaking officers working there. That's just logical for the safety of everyone involved.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Some of these are reasonable, most of them are stupid.

Let me point out one specific area where BLM is ignorant in their demands.

Suggesting that police departments be more representative in their makeup of the general community. Take a city like NYC , for example. It is a FACT that NYC is predominantly white but the police department is actually made up mostly of minorities. On purpose. That's right, they purposely said "even though the city is mostly white, we're going to make the department mostly non white", and many other cities follow suit.

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

The key phrase being "used to be"

AND let's just admit the truth. The minorities who choose to be cops aren't any more well liked by these BLM fools than white cops are. It isn't as if minorities who hate cops are suddenly going to be all "oh hey he's brown/black like me , so it's al good" nope, they just call them Uncle Toms and move on.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do not respect police officers, or any other form of authority. They know more want to be arrested by a black cop than they do a white one.

AND in fact studies have shown that minority officers are actually harsher on minorities than are white police

Do diverse police forces treat their communities more fairly than almost-all-white ones like Ferguson’s?

Maybe so but it is a question of fairness to the community being served

Officers in minority neighborhoods should be able to speak the language of the people in that neighborhood. Those who don't should be required to learn

On the issue of fairness though, wouldn't you agree that it would be FAIR for everyone to stop arguing and fighting with police every time they have an encounter with them? I mean the police can only deescalate so much.

 

[boedicca]

Would an ACORN by another name taste as bitter?

BLM is a Prog Astroturf organization: repackaged ACORN.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Number 9 is especially ridiculous given that we just had a criminal use military training and weapons to kill multiple cops in a major US city. Yes, by all means let's make sure our cops are disarmed and unprotected by body armor.

Morons

 

[Iceweasel]

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.

Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

I'm not going through the whole list since all they really need to do is join civilization instead of acting like they can do whatever they want without consequences.

But this one is very wrong. The Freddy Gray case proves how liberals cities will treat cops. No cop will work there if liberals get to decide their fate, talk about bias! Plus departments have Internal Affairs and do not always side with the cops. And cases do go to grand juries. Just because the cop is acquitted and you don't like it is not reason enough to have a committee of dipshits over ride the law of the land.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.

Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.

I'm not going through the whole list since all they really need to do is join civilization instead of acting like they can do whatever they want without consequences.

But this one is very wrong. The Freddy Gray case proves how liberals cities will treat cops. No cop will work there if liberals get to decide their fate, talk about bias! Plus departments have Internal Affairs and do not always side with the cops. And cases do go to grand juries. Just because the cop is acquitted and you don't like it is not reason enough to have a committee of dipshits over ride the law of the land.

In fact regular police HATE internal affairs because it is usually populated with people who go out of their way to find wrong doing by cops.

Look at a case like in Baltimore where the judicial system has now told a black prosecutor THREE times "no nothing illegal was done here" in regards to the same incident and that black prosecutor is STILL moving forward with prosecution toward the other 3 officers she accuses of wrong doing.

 

[rightwinger]

Nothing wrong with police being representative of the communities they serve. Police in Hispanic neighborhoods should be bilingual. While an absolute quota is not the best solution, the days of lily white officers in minority neighborhoods are gone

I actually agree with that, but point out that in many instances that simply isn't possible. You can't MAKE people want to be police officers and or remove standards in order to get them eligible to be so.

I agree, we don't want to force quotas

But there used to be a strictly white pathway into the police academies based on who you know. Recruiting applicants in minority neighborhoods should be encouraged

The key phrase being "used to be"

AND let's just admit the truth. The minorities who choose to be cops aren't any more well liked by these BLM fools than white cops are. It isn't as if minorities who hate cops are suddenly going to be all "oh hey he's brown/black like me , so it's al good" nope, they just call them Uncle Toms and move on.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do not respect police officers, or any other form of authority. They know more want to be arrested by a black cop than they do a white one.

AND in fact studies have shown that minority officers are actually harsher on minorities than are white police

Do diverse police forces treat their communities more fairly than almost-all-white ones like Ferguson’s?

Maybe so but it is a question of fairness to the community being served

Officers in minority neighborhoods should be able to speak the language of the people in that neighborhood. Those who don't should be required to learn

On the issue of fairness though, wouldn't you agree that it would be FAIR for everyone to stop arguing and fighting with police every time they have an encounter with them? I mean the police can only deescalate so much.

I agree. Police deserve respect
Even those who are assholes

 

[rightwinger]

Number 9 is especially ridiculous given that we just had a criminal use military training and weapons to kill multiple cops in a major US city. Yes, by all means let's make sure our cops are disarmed and unprotected by body armor.

Morons

I don't mind SWAT teams using military equipment
But when they bring it out in an otherwise peaceful protest they send the wrong message

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Number 9 is especially ridiculous given that we just had a criminal use military training and weapons to kill multiple cops in a major US city. Yes, by all means let's make sure our cops are disarmed and unprotected by body armor.

Morons

I don't mind SWAT teams using military equipment
But when they bring it out in an otherwise peaceful protest they send the wrong message

If you're talking about weapons and such, that's one thing, but no police officer should be asked to work a protest sans protective gear.

 

[rightwinger]

Number 9 is especially ridiculous given that we just had a criminal use military training and weapons to kill multiple cops in a major US city. Yes, by all means let's make sure our cops are disarmed and unprotected by body armor.

Morons

I don't mind SWAT teams using military equipment
But when they bring it out in an otherwise peaceful protest they send the wrong message

If you're talking about weapons and such, that's one thing, but no police officer should be asked to work a protest sans protective gear.

Who won this confrontation?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

I'd like to see the police come out with there own manifesto

1. Stop committing crimes

2. Stop fighting with police every time you encounter one

3. Stick around and help raise your children

4. Stop letting the Dems fool you into believing that THIS time they really are going to help you

5. Enjoy life as a citizen who doesn't end up dead at the hand's of a police officer.

 

[320 Years of History]

In our terribly binary society, many will throw these out as a group because they don't like or agree with one or two points. So: Which of these ideas is/are absolutely unworkable and unreasonable? Where we can find areas of agreement here? This doesn't look like a list of crazy, off the wall ideas to me.

Red:
It's neither a list of crazy ideas, nor are they ideas that have merit only for people of one or another race, even though they have been listed among the the goals of a group named "Black Lives Matter" (BLM). Most of them aren't "flip the switch" sorts of changes, and those that aren't will need to be implemented so as not to make new problems that are worse than the existing problems.

I want to be clear....The black folks whom I know very well range from welfare mothers with children for whom I serve as a mentor to professionals and business owners who live in multimillion dollar homes behind high walls and gates, but even so, that's just a dozen or so folks. All of them have described encounters with cops that differ greatly from what I have experienced with cops in that they seem to be treated as though they are criminals before they are treated as though they are not. And those experiences haven't differed by the race of the officer.

To give a simple example, several (but not all) of my black colleagues and friends have recounted being pulled over for speeding. A question the cops asked each of them was, "Is this your car?" And yet my acquaintances didn't always receive citations after having been stopped, and some were stopped when they knew they weren't speeding or driving erratically, and in some cases when they truly had a broken/non-functioning taillight, or whatever. I thought, "Say what? I've never been asked that." I've been asked a variety of situationally relevant questions such as:

• Do you know why I pulled you over?
• Do you know how fast you were going?
• Do you know what the speed limit is here?
• May I have your licence and registration, please?

No cop has felt the need to inquire about what can at best be thought of as the obliquely relevant question of my owning the vehicle. Not even when I was driving cars that cannot possibly have been mine -- rental cars, cars registered/titled to a woman having a surname other than my own -- have I been asked that, and in those cases, it'd have made some sense to ask that question.

Now you know as well as I do that the cop has in all likelihood called in the car's tag number before even approaching the driver and already knows whether there's a stolen car report on record for the vehicle. So why they'd ask, "Is this your car?", when they probably already know whether it's been reported as stolen.

That leads me to think race is part of the issue for there's no way round the fact that there's no substantive difference between myself and my black peers who've been asked about their car's ownership. However, the issue isn't purely a race issue; part of it is a "cop" issue. That said, I can't say the cops who've initiated contact with me (traffic stops) have been particularly decent folks. They struck me as jerks who speak and behave with a tone and comportment indicative of their expecting I be obsequious toward them, yet when I go to certain social events where cops are part of the official/unofficial security, that same tone does not appear.

By way of contrast, not all public servants I've come by behave that way, for example my local elected representatives who've called asking for donations. Cops overseas don't conduct themselves the same way. But now that I think of it, you know what other folks routinely display a degree that "wrong tone?" Factotums working at the DMV, some mid-level staffers at hospitals and nursing homes, and lots of TSA agents at the airport. In short, folks who have some ability to be a pain in one's ass, but who aren't fully in control of much of anything.

Maybe something like a "control freak thing" combined with insufficient patience for a role that involves thousands of "general public" encounters has something to do with the problem? I know I haven't the comportment to deal with the general public all day everyday, but my job doesn't require I do, whereas theirs does.

I have a second cousin whom I don't know as well as I know my closest friends, but she's a police officer and, frankly, as far as I can tell, but for her being my relative, she strikes me as being just as much a jerk as do cops in general. I should be clear. By "jerk," I mean she inherently assumes "the worst" of an actor in most instances wherein the person's behavior and motivations can be assumed to have positive, negative and neutral motivations. Her approach is to assume people are bad, devious, deceitful, etc. until they show her they are not.
That's sort of what I meant by "jerk" in my remarks earlier in this post. That "guilty until proven innocent" mentality is inconsistent with the basic idea of due process, yet that seems to be the cops' general approach, at least toward black folks...that even as a principle they are tasked with protecting is that of "innocent until proven guilty," and that's a hard thing to do when one operates with an opening assumption of guilt.

Black Lives Matter Just Delivered Their 10 Point Manifesto, and This Is What They Want

The list isn't new. I think they may have added some more detail to their ten goals.

5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.

I'm not so sure this is entirely a goal worth achieving or striving for. It may help in terms of the race aspect of the issue, but I don't think it'll do much good for the "cop" aspect of the issue.

Cop Issue:
My gut says that cops are cops regardless of their race. My experience says that there's nothing intrinsic that stops anyone of race X from "doing right" by another of race Y, regardless of the situation. Look at the "Baltimore" situation. Those were mostly (maybe all?) black cops and the victim was black. That's one instance that makes me think the problem re: cops that BLM is "on about" is a "cop" thing not a race thing.

Given the race issues in the U.S., if black cops mistreat black citizens, I know (unfortunately) that we have no business expecting non-black cops are going to be any better. I certainly don't think the specific suggestion above (#5) BLM have proposed is going to do a damn bit of good. In fact, what I think it'll do is generate a whole lot of haranguing over a bunch of "crap" when we could be spending our efforts working on something else.

By the same token, I'm not certain it'll do no good and it may well do some good. If the proposal can be quickly implemented without a lot of "who struck John," sure implement it and see what happens; there's nothing saying we can't "trash it" if it's not yielding positive results and is resulting in more (or more troublesome) problems than it solves. It's not that I think it'll "break" something; it's that I would not care to see a ton of time and money spent trying to get it done.

Race Issue:
The idea that the racial makeup of a police force reflecting the diversity of the community policed seems like it'd be good for helping address the race issue re: policing in diverse communities. I wonder, however, how good it'd be in highly homogeneous communities? I can see the good of it there and I can see the bad of it.

As goes race issues, at the end of the day, I think all of them stem from folks of whatever race applying confirmation bias lines of thought to their perceptions about members of other races with whom they have little real and substantive contact. I mean let's not kid ourselves, most folks' closest associates are people of the same race. I know I'm quite open minded about race and in my own life my contacts break down that way.

• Immediate family: Until last year, 100% white American. My daughter married a Latino man.
• Friends (i.e., close enough to be thought of as family): 99% white now; 90% when I was a kid
• Close acquaintances: ~75% white
• Social acquaintances: ~60% white
• General acquaintances (We've met, we recognize one another): Very diverse

I suspect something similar to that is how most folks' lives work. I don't think there's something wrong with it. But I also know that sort of limited diversity means one probably isn't going to have many opportunities to see beyond the "hype" and do so on a very personal level. Absent those opportunities, even though intellectually one may say, even believe, "we're all equal; we're all the same," in our guts, that very same belief may not be as strongly held, thus far more easily shaken, particularly when confronted with circumstantial yet sensational anecdotal evidence that seemingly confirms the "hype."

8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.

This proposal absolutely needs to be implemented. D.C.'s city council voted to implement this kind of measure. There are no two ways about it in my mind; D.C. did the right thing. Funny that...little ol' liberal D.C. implemented this policy and even the Heritage Foundation thinks we got it right.

 

[320 Years of History]

I agree. Police deserve respect
Even those who are assholes

I'm not sure how I feel about that. I am sure that the asshole cops are the ones who appear to me to most often demand respect rather than earn it. And that's what I think about both respect and trust: they are earned, and no shield makes one entitled to either.

 

[rightwinger]

Would an ACORN by another name taste as bitter?

BLM is a Prog Astroturf organization: repackaged ACORN.

You looking to get a fake pimp to bring down BLM?

 

[boedicca]

Would an ACORN by another name taste as bitter?

BLM is a Prog Astroturf organization: repackaged ACORN.

You looking to get a fake pimp to bring down BLM?

They don't need a fake pimp. They have a real one: Obabble.

 

[rightwinger]

Would an ACORN by another name taste as bitter?

BLM is a Prog Astroturf organization: repackaged ACORN.

You looking to get a fake pimp to bring down BLM?

They don't need a fake pimp. They have a real one: Obabble.

HA HA ......That's a funny joke
Take long to come up with that gem?