"Bishop" Romney Urged Single Mother to give up Baby

[The T]

Hitler BEGAN spouting Christianity, he turned it to faith in the FUHRER!

He also spouted worker rights...until the workers helped him IN...and then all bets were off.

Also true; Hitler on Christianity:

Was Hitler a Christian?

IF he was? He sure didn't act like it. He was a manipulator for his own vision, his own gaijn...and he didn't give a rat's ass whom he steamrolled over to get there.

NOT the mark of a Christain.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Now as everyone knows? The Constitution may be amended...and there's been ample oppritunity up to now.

So those that use the Theocracy fear tactic are being disingenuous...intellectually lazy...in thier effort to persuade others.

They're going to have to come up with a better argument than the one they front.

The Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

It’s that case law the radical religious right seeks to have changed to accommodate their agenda of greater religious authoritarianism.

For example: they seek to destroy the right to privacy and homosexuals’ right to equal access to the law in accordance with religious dicta.

 

[Peach]

He also spouted worker rights...until the workers helped him IN...and then all bets were off.

Also true; Hitler on Christianity:

Was Hitler a Christian?

IF he was? He sure didn't act like it. He was a manipulator for his own vision, his own gaijn...and he didn't give a rat's ass whom he steamrolled over to get there.

NOT the mark of a Christain.

The site contains many ANTI Christian words from Hitler.

 

[Sallow]

Hitler BEGAN spouting Christianity, he turned it to faith in the FUHRER!

Exactly which Christian leader hasn't done this?

Hitler is singled out because it was so recent, relatively.

Are you referring to Pres Obama sallow? Tsk. Tsk. You could be risking ex-communication of the Church of Big Brother.

There's a pretty big difference between a leader who follows a particular religion but keeps it away from governance and one who uses it to galvanize and excite his people while injecting that religion's doctrine into law.

 

[Sallow]

Also true; Hitler on Christianity:

Was Hitler a Christian?

IF he was? He sure didn't act like it. He was a manipulator for his own vision, his own gaijn...and he didn't give a rat's ass whom he steamrolled over to get there.

NOT the mark of a Christain.

The site contains many ANTI Christian words from Hitler.

Interestingly enough..it's generally hearsay..and nothing that was published or in speeches.

Funny that.

 

[Peach]

Hitler on Christianity:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

3) "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

 

[Sallow]

Now as everyone knows? The Constitution may be amended...and there's been ample oppritunity up to now.

So those that use the Theocracy fear tactic are being disingenuous...intellectually lazy...in thier effort to persuade others.

They're going to have to come up with a better argument than the one they front.

The Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

It’s that case law the radical religious right seeks to have changed to accommodate their agenda of greater religious authoritarianism.

For example: they seek to destroy the right to privacy and homosexuals’ right to equal access to the law in accordance with religious dicta.

Absolutely.

 

[Sallow]

Hitler on Christianity:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

3) "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

And of course you have a source for this?

Probably "overheard" in a "private" conservation. You know like when George W. Bush called the Constitution a "God damned piece of paper".

Very believable.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

 

[BDBoop]

Oh, there was nowhere to go after Mexico.

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.

 

[Sallow]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

In reverse, how exactly?

It's been pointed out that Romney was a cleric..and that theocracy is a wholly bad idea.

You disagree..we understand.

But we are still going to argue.

 

[Peach]

Hitler on Christianity:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

3) "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

And of course you have a source for this?

Probably "overheard" in a "private" conservation. You know like when George W. Bush called the Constitution a "God damned piece of paper".

Very believable.

Was Hitler a Christian?

Distinguished historian Hugh Trever-Roper seems to plump for the reliability of Hitler's Table Talk in the preface. --174.20.135.141 10:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian Churches.[56] In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions.[57][58] "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [of church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," said the report. The most persuasive evidence came from "the systematic nature of the persecution itself."[59] However "direct evidence" of this plan might possibly be obtained through an examination of the "directives of the Reich Propaganda Ministry" or by the "questioning of Nazi newspapermen and local and regional propagandists".[59] The O.S.S. outline suggested that the plan to neutralize the Churches was conceived by Hitler and an inner circle even before the Nazis came to power,[57] however editor and historian Richard Bonney stated this conjecture was an "interesting, but undocumented, assertion."[58] The report argued that "considerations of expediency made it impossible, however, for the National Socialist movement to adopt this radical anti-Christian policy officially."[59] Historian Alan Bullock is in agreement with this view, and argues that once the war was over it was Hitler's intention to "root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches."[60] According to its own self-assessment, however, the O.S.S. "document is still seriously lacking in evidence of probative value, and is consequently ill suited to serve as the basis for an international discussion."[59]
Under the supervision of Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler moves were made to reduce Christianity's presence in German traditions, such as replacing Christian elements in Christmas carols with pagan references.[61]

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

In reverse, how exactly?

It's been pointed out that Romney was a cleric..and that theocracy is a wholly bad idea.

You disagree..we understand.

But we are still going to argue.

I don't disagree at all. Problem is you haven't proved Romney would lead us down that path. All you've done is talk about Nazis and the crusades. Hence the stuck in reverse comment. Maybe a more appropriate assessment would have been stuck on stupid.

 

[Peach]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

In reverse, how exactly?

It's been pointed out that Romney was a cleric..and that theocracy is a wholly bad idea.

You disagree..we understand.

But we are still going to argue.

He is a lay member of the LDS church, BISHOP is only a term used. Other faiths have "teachers" "Brothers" etc.

 

[clevergirl]

Exactly which Christian leader hasn't done this?

Hitler is singled out because it was so recent, relatively.

John F. Kennedy was a Catholic just like Hitler. Hummm could that mean he was going to become a Hitler had he not been assassinated? Yes, the logic of faux intellectuals are summed up well when reading your posts~

Actually..he wasn't. Much like Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton and others..he was very secular. He rarely mentioned religion and only to respond to critics.

More idiocy- Kennedy was outspoken about his Catholic faith. he defended it in the following speech bwo stating no man should be refused the presidency based on his religion. Unlike you who wish only to pick on conservative candidates who have a faith. You would do all ignorant religious bigots, such as yourself, a great deal of good by being humbled by his speech.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p0OMJbia4s]Kennedy on his religion - YouTube[/ame]

 

[The T]

John F. Kennedy was a Catholic just like Hitler. Hummm could that mean he was going to become a Hitler had he not been assassinated? Yes, the logic of faux intellectuals are summed up well when reading your posts~

Actually..he wasn't. Much like Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton and others..he was very secular. He rarely mentioned religion and only to respond to critics.

More idiocy- Kennedy was outspoken about his Catholic faith. he defended it in the following speech bwo stating no man should be refused the presidency based on his religion. Unlike you who wish only to pick on conservative candidates who have a faith. You would do all ignorant religious bigots, such as yourself, a great deal of good by being humbled by his speech.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p0OMJbia4s"]Kennedy on his religion - YouTube[/ame]

Outta REP.

 

[The T]

Also true; Hitler on Christianity:

Was Hitler a Christian?

IF he was? He sure didn't act like it. He was a manipulator for his own vision, his own gaijn...and he didn't give a rat's ass whom he steamrolled over to get there.

NOT the mark of a Christain.

The site contains many ANTI Christian words from Hitler.

And?

 

[Gareyt17]

Read about it here...

Bishop Romney Pressured Single Mother To Give Up Baby, Book Says

Peggie Hayes had converted to Mormonism as a teenage along with her family, and told the book’s authors, Boston Globe reporters Michael Kranish and Scott Helman, that for a long time she found comfort in the faith’s teachings. After returning to the congregation as a 23-year-old divorced single mother, she soon got pregnant with a second child. Knowing she was in need of financial assistance, the Romneys arranged for her to do odd jobs for members of the congregation.

“Mitt was really good to us,” Hayes told the authors. “He did a lot for us.”

But while Hayes considered Romney a friend, he was also her bishop—which meant it was his job to pass along sometimes-harsh church counsel. The tension between the two relationships came to the forefront one day when he came over to her apartment, and encouraged her to turn her son over to the church’s adoption agency when he was born. (The church’s position is that if a happy marriage between parents of a newborn seems unlikely, adoption is preferable to single parenting.)

Hayes was offended by the suggestion, and told Romney she would never give up her son. But, according to Hayes, Romney told her, “Well, this is what the church wants you to do, and if you don’t, then you could be excommunicated for failing to follow the leadership of the church.”

Though she was defiant, the authors write, “In that moment, she also felt intimidated. Here was Romney, who held great power as her church leader and was the head of a wealthy, prominent Belmont family, sitting in her gritty apartment making grave demands.”

This woman had the good sense to get the hell out of Mormonism after that.

Oh well shoot faaaarrrrr....I read it on dis hear internetS so it MUST BE TRUE!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

In reverse, how exactly?

It's been pointed out that Romney was a cleric..and that theocracy is a wholly bad idea.

You disagree..we understand.

But we are still going to argue.

I don't disagree at all. Problem is you haven't proved Romney would lead us down that path. All you've done is talk about Nazis and the crusades. Hence the stuck in reverse comment. Maybe a more appropriate assessment would have been stuck on stupid.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA&feature=youtube_gdata_player]Cricket Chirping - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Someone put this thread back in gear. We seem to be stuck in reverse.....

In reverse, how exactly?

It's been pointed out that Romney was a cleric..and that theocracy is a wholly bad idea.

You disagree..we understand.

But we are still going to argue.

I don't disagree at all. Problem is you haven't proved Romney would lead us down that path. All you've done is talk about Nazis and the crusades. Hence the stuck in reverse comment. Maybe a more appropriate assessment would have been stuck on stupid.

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