Birth Control Mandate: Is this taking the Religous Liberty Exception too far?

[Vox]

the left and it's faithful Sancho Panza

 

[koshergrl]

Hahahaha...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not theirs as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.

Another one that thinks that Libs somehow don't pay taxes....I guess you took Romney's disaster speech to heart. As for responsibility, we take more responsibility than conservatives do, we care about those that are under privileged, and want to make sure that everyone can afford health care....while all you worry about is yourself....the epitome of greed, the desire for material gain and wealth, one of the deadly sins mentioned in the 10 Commandments.

The Bible didn't tell the rich man to give his wealth to government ... Didn't tell us to support our neighbor through taxation for the benefit of political gain.

Maybe your Bible doesn't, but Jesus sure did....

Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.

There is a difference between worshipping and submitting, obviously you don't know the difference, and here's another one for you.....

Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

I have a policy of negging people, especially Christians, who use the Bible to justify their politics. Just letting you know so you won't whinge about me not being fair.

 

[koshergrl]

Wow, I thought only KG's posts were non-sensical....I have added yours to the list.

white flag on Mertex's part.
check

next

Calling people names and insulting them isn't debating. I choose to ignore the ignorant who that's all they know to do. When you start making sense instead of just displaying your butt hurt, maybe I'll read your posts......

So true. You should stop.

 

[oreo]

The DOJ responded tpoday to Sonia Sotomayor's Injunction issued on New Years Eve.

Nuns' Objection To Health Care Law Is Unwarranted, Justice Dept. Says : The Two-Way : NPR

That emanated from this:

Sonia Sotomayor halts contraceptive rule for Denver center - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

The matter in this case boils down to filling out a short form form. Just filing an automatic waiver.

That's it.

Catholic Employers Claim That Filling Out an Obamacare Form Violates Their Religious Freedom

"Late on New Year's Eve, Justice Sonia Sotomayor granted a small number of religiously affiliated groups a temporary injunction from a provision in the Affordable Care Act that allows them not to cover contraception in their health care plans if they fill out a form that states that they want an exemption from the law for religious reasons.

Go ahead and read that sentence again.

These Catholic non-profits that wanted an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—and got an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—are now fighting the provision (that exempts them from covering their employees' contraception needs) simply because they don't want to have to fill out a form that states that they are exempt.

Why? Because their employees need that form in order to get birth control directly from their insurers (which they need to do because their employers—these Catholic non-profits—are exempt, as they want to be)."

Justice Sotomayor grants temporary injunction to Catholic groups who say filling out an Obamacare form about contraception violates their religious freedom.

Yes, filling out a form. Nothing more.

Their religious sensibilities are insulted by merely stating on paper they have religious objections.

Now, you may agree that religious organizations should not be forced to contribute to a health plan that makes them pay for Birth Control - and I do too,

but do you think the mere act of filing out a form is taking the Religious Liberty exception just a bit too far?

Does religious liberty extend to the right to not have to fill out paperwork?

Many states in this country, 27 have for decades now given no exemptions to birth control pills because of religion or other challenges. Now I know this will drive the right wing social nut-cases crazy--but it's the TRUTH.
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Birth control pills are a PRESCRIPTION only drug--like Viagra and all of the male enhancement drugs and they are typically paid for by the insurer--as mandated by the states.

The entire POINT is-- once you start giving exemptions to the Catholic Church for birth control contraceptives--it won't be long before another religious group refuses to pay for chemotherapy treatments based on their religious beliefs.

And I imagine why the Catholic church isn't filling out the form, is because they are fully aware that the overwhelming majority of women in the Catholic church use birth control contraceptives. I personally know a few women who grew up in the Catholic Church--that left the church because of their hard line stance on birth control. The church made them feel guilty for using them, so they left the church.

 

[koshergrl]

That is a pretty impressive pile of garbled nonsense. I'm impressed.

 

[dblack]

The DOJ responded tpoday to Sonia Sotomayor's Injunction issued on New Years Eve.

Nuns' Objection To Health Care Law Is Unwarranted, Justice Dept. Says : The Two-Way : NPR

That emanated from this:

Sonia Sotomayor halts contraceptive rule for Denver center - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

The matter in this case boils down to filling out a short form form. Just filing an automatic waiver.

That's it.

Catholic Employers Claim That Filling Out an Obamacare Form Violates Their Religious Freedom

"Late on New Year's Eve, Justice Sonia Sotomayor granted a small number of religiously affiliated groups a temporary injunction from a provision in the Affordable Care Act that allows them not to cover contraception in their health care plans if they fill out a form that states that they want an exemption from the law for religious reasons.

Go ahead and read that sentence again.

These Catholic non-profits that wanted an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—and got an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—are now fighting the provision (that exempts them from covering their employees' contraception needs) simply because they don't want to have to fill out a form that states that they are exempt.

Why? Because their employees need that form in order to get birth control directly from their insurers (which they need to do because their employers—these Catholic non-profits—are exempt, as they want to be)."

Justice Sotomayor grants temporary injunction to Catholic groups who say filling out an Obamacare form about contraception violates their religious freedom.

Yes, filling out a form. Nothing more.

Their religious sensibilities are insulted by merely stating on paper they have religious objections.

Now, you may agree that religious organizations should not be forced to contribute to a health plan that makes them pay for Birth Control - and I do too,

but do you think the mere act of filing out a form is taking the Religious Liberty exception just a bit too far?

Does religious liberty extend to the right to not have to fill out paperwork?

Many states in this country, 27 have for decades now given no exemptions to birth control pills because of religion or other challenges. Now I know this will drive the right wing social nut-cases crazy--but it's the TRUTH.
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Birth control pills are a PRESCRIPTION only drug--like Viagra and all of the male enhancement drugs and they are typically paid for by the insurer--as mandated by the states.

The entire POINT is-- once you start giving exemptions to the Catholic Church for birth control contraceptives--it won't be long before another religious group refuses to pay for chemotherapy treatments based on their religious beliefs.

And I imagine why the Catholic church isn't filling out the form, is because they are fully aware that the overwhelming majority of women in the Catholic church use birth control contraceptives. I personally know a few women who grew up in the Catholic Church--that left the church because of their hard line stance on birth control. The church made them feel guilty for using them, so they left the church.

I agree with you that granting exemptions like this is a mistake. I believe the practice actually works against the intent of the first amendment and sets up the state to play favorites among religions. But the idiocy causing all the problems is the fact that the state tries to mandate specific coverage in the first place. Why is the government mandating coverage? Whose rights are being violated if I want to buy insurance coverage that doesn't include contraceptives? I've yet to hear a good answer, or even a bad one for that matter, to this question.

 

[Mertex]

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not theirs as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.

Another one that thinks that Libs somehow don't pay taxes....I guess you took Romney's disaster speech to heart. As for responsibility, we take more responsibility than conservatives do, we care about those that are under privileged, and want to make sure that everyone can afford health care....while all you worry about is yourself....the epitome of greed, the desire for material gain and wealth, one of the deadly sins mentioned in the 10 Commandments.


Maybe your Bible doesn't, but Jesus sure did....

Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.

There is a difference between worshipping and submitting, obviously you don't know the difference, and here's another one for you.....

Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

I have a policy of negging people, especially Christians, who use the Bible to justify their politics. Just letting you know so you won't whinge about me not being fair.

You neg because it makes you uncomfortable to realize that you are on the wrong side of scripture....

 

[Mertex]

white flag on Mertex's part.
check

next

Calling people names and insulting them isn't debating. I choose to ignore the ignorant who that's all they know to do. When you start making sense instead of just displaying your butt hurt, maybe I'll read your posts......

So true. You should stop.

Obviously you don't know the difference between attacking the content and not the poster....no surprise, though.

 

[Mertex]

The DOJ responded tpoday to Sonia Sotomayor's Injunction issued on New Years Eve.

Nuns' Objection To Health Care Law Is Unwarranted, Justice Dept. Says : The Two-Way : NPR

That emanated from this:

Sonia Sotomayor halts contraceptive rule for Denver center - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

The matter in this case boils down to filling out a short form form. Just filing an automatic waiver.

That's it.

Catholic Employers Claim That Filling Out an Obamacare Form Violates Their Religious Freedom

"Late on New Year's Eve, Justice Sonia Sotomayor granted a small number of religiously affiliated groups a temporary injunction from a provision in the Affordable Care Act that allows them not to cover contraception in their health care plans if they fill out a form that states that they want an exemption from the law for religious reasons.

Go ahead and read that sentence again.

These Catholic non-profits that wanted an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—and got an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—are now fighting the provision (that exempts them from covering their employees' contraception needs) simply because they don't want to have to fill out a form that states that they are exempt.

Why? Because their employees need that form in order to get birth control directly from their insurers (which they need to do because their employers—these Catholic non-profits—are exempt, as they want to be)."

Justice Sotomayor grants temporary injunction to Catholic groups who say filling out an Obamacare form about contraception violates their religious freedom.

Yes, filling out a form. Nothing more.

Their religious sensibilities are insulted by merely stating on paper they have religious objections.

Now, you may agree that religious organizations should not be forced to contribute to a health plan that makes them pay for Birth Control - and I do too,

but do you think the mere act of filing out a form is taking the Religious Liberty exception just a bit too far?

Does religious liberty extend to the right to not have to fill out paperwork?

Many states in this country, 27 have for decades now given no exemptions to birth control pills because of religion or other challenges. Now I know this will drive the right wing social nut-cases crazy--but it's the TRUTH.
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Birth control pills are a PRESCRIPTION only drug--like Viagra and all of the male enhancement drugs and they are typically paid for by the insurer--as mandated by the states.

The entire POINT is-- once you start giving exemptions to the Catholic Church for birth control contraceptives--it won't be long before another religious group refuses to pay for chemotherapy treatments based on their religious beliefs.

And I imagine why the Catholic church isn't filling out the form, is because they are fully aware that the overwhelming majority of women in the Catholic church use birth control contraceptives. I personally know a few women who grew up in the Catholic Church--that left the church because of their hard line stance on birth control. The church made them feel guilty for using them, so they left the church.

98% of Catholic women use birth control....I guess the Catholic church while complaining that they are being forced to pay for something against their religion, is at the same time forcing women to adhere to their anti-contraceptive beliefs. They on't believe in "what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander"....

 

[koshergrl]

Calling people names and insulting them isn't debating. I choose to ignore the ignorant who that's all they know to do. When you start making sense instead of just displaying your butt hurt, maybe I'll read your posts......

So true. You should stop.

Obviously you don't know the difference between attacking the content and not the poster....no surprise, though.

Obviously you don't.

 

[Vox]

The DOJ responded tpoday to Sonia Sotomayor's Injunction issued on New Years Eve.

Nuns' Objection To Health Care Law Is Unwarranted, Justice Dept. Says : The Two-Way : NPR

That emanated from this:

Sonia Sotomayor halts contraceptive rule for Denver center - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

The matter in this case boils down to filling out a short form form. Just filing an automatic waiver.

That's it.

Catholic Employers Claim That Filling Out an Obamacare Form Violates Their Religious Freedom
Justice Sotomayor grants temporary injunction to Catholic groups who say filling out an Obamacare form about contraception violates their religious freedom.

Yes, filling out a form. Nothing more.

Their religious sensibilities are insulted by merely stating on paper they have religious objections.

Now, you may agree that religious organizations should not be forced to contribute to a health plan that makes them pay for Birth Control - and I do too,

but do you think the mere act of filing out a form is taking the Religious Liberty exception just a bit too far?

Does religious liberty extend to the right to not have to fill out paperwork?

Many states in this country, 27 have for decades now given no exemptions to birth control pills because of religion or other challenges. Now I know this will drive the right wing social nut-cases crazy--but it's the TRUTH.
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Birth control pills are a PRESCRIPTION only drug--like Viagra and all of the male enhancement drugs and they are typically paid for by the insurer--as mandated by the states.

The entire POINT is-- once you start giving exemptions to the Catholic Church for birth control contraceptives--it won't be long before another religious group refuses to pay for chemotherapy treatments based on their religious beliefs.

And I imagine why the Catholic church isn't filling out the form, is because they are fully aware that the overwhelming majority of women in the Catholic church use birth control contraceptives. I personally know a few women who grew up in the Catholic Church--that left the church because of their hard line stance on birth control. The church made them feel guilty for using them, so they left the church.

98% of Catholic women use birth control....I guess the Catholic church while complaining that they are being forced to pay for something against their religion, is at the same time forcing women to adhere to their anti-contraceptive beliefs. They on't believe in "what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander"....

link, liar

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Another one that thinks that Libs somehow don't pay taxes....I guess you took Romney's disaster speech to heart. As for responsibility, we take more responsibility than conservatives do, we care about those that are under privileged, and want to make sure that everyone can afford health care....while all you worry about is yourself....the epitome of greed, the desire for material gain and wealth, one of the deadly sins mentioned in the 10 Commandments.


Maybe your Bible doesn't, but Jesus sure did....

Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

There is a difference between worshipping and submitting, obviously you don't know the difference, and here's another one for you.....

Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

I have a policy of negging people, especially Christians, who use the Bible to justify their politics. Just letting you know so you won't whinge about me not being fair.

You neg because it makes you uncomfortable to realize that you are on the wrong side of scripture....

No, I neg because mixing religion and politics is an assault on humanity.

If you think you can outwit me at theology, feel free to call me out on it. Unlike you, I actually studied the subject, and know what I am talking about. I can also defend any theological position you want to stake out better than you can. I also understand Church history, and the result of letting people use religion to justify political positions. If you want to argue in favor of something, do it without your religion, or be prepared to watch your religion take away your freedom.

 

[koshergrl]

Catholic women are perfectly free to use birth control.

But the church cannot be compelled to provide it.

 

[Vox]

Catholic women are perfectly free to use birth control.

But the church cannot be compelled to provide it.

plus there are many methods of birth control.

Not the pill only

 

[JakeStarkey]

The butt hurt far reactionary right knows that (1) the law is not unconstitutional and (2) not onerous.

They whine just to whine.

 

[koshergrl]

Are you going to pretend to be a Catholic nun now, to gain some cred..the way you pretend to be a hetero Repub?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The butt hurt far reactionary right knows that (1) the law is not unconstitutional and (2) not onerous.

They whine just to whine.

The rest of us know that 20 of the 22 judges that have issued rulings on this have come down solidly saying that the law is (1) unconstitutional and a (2) burden.

 

[Mertex]

So true. You should stop.

Obviously you don't know the difference between attacking the content and not the poster....no surprise, though.

Obviously you don't.

I was talking about "people" who do that sort of thing. If the shoe fits, wear it. Apparently it did...but I didn't call you "slimy right tard, scum, troll" and all the things that you and Vox are famous for doing.

 

[Mertex]

Many states in this country, 27 have for decades now given no exemptions to birth control pills because of religion or other challenges. Now I know this will drive the right wing social nut-cases crazy--but it's the TRUTH.
Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws

Birth control pills are a PRESCRIPTION only drug--like Viagra and all of the male enhancement drugs and they are typically paid for by the insurer--as mandated by the states.

The entire POINT is-- once you start giving exemptions to the Catholic Church for birth control contraceptives--it won't be long before another religious group refuses to pay for chemotherapy treatments based on their religious beliefs.

And I imagine why the Catholic church isn't filling out the form, is because they are fully aware that the overwhelming majority of women in the Catholic church use birth control contraceptives. I personally know a few women who grew up in the Catholic Church--that left the church because of their hard line stance on birth control. The church made them feel guilty for using them, so they left the church.

98% of Catholic women use birth control....I guess the Catholic church while complaining that they are being forced to pay for something against their religion, is at the same time forcing women to adhere to their anti-contraceptive beliefs. They on't believe in "what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander"....

link, liar

You are truly devoid of any facts, aren't you. You have the nerve calling people liars when you are the one that lies, every time you open your mouth.

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Among all women who have had sex, 99% have ever used a contraceptive method other than natural family planning. This figure is virtually the same, 98%, among sexually experienced Catholic women.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Religion-and-Contraceptive-Use.pdf