BIG!!!! Latest Gruber video will finish off Obamacare

[ShootSpeeders]

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

HAHAHA. You're a fool. No one is gonna work hard if they ain't paid. THINK

 

[ShootSpeeders]

ROFL MARXIST SAYS CAPITALISM SUCKS PEOPLE WILL WORK JUST AS HARD FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN THE FUN OF IT... ROFL

Yes - marxism really is the stupidest idea in history. If you want people to do something, you have to give them an incentive - and that usually means money.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course. That's capitalism and it works beautifully. Once govt takes over health care completely we will be stuck forever with the health care of that day.

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

So... um.. no.

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

Uh, no, Joe. Socialist medical systems feed off capitalist ones. That's why other countries pay less for drugs than we do: they've negotiated prices with drug makers, leaving them to stick us.
That'll last until they run out of other people's money. Whcih is coming soon with Obamacare.

 

[Siete]

Of course. That's capitalism and it works beautifully. Once govt takes over health care completely we will be stuck forever with the health care of that day.

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

So... um.. no.

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

Uh, no, Joe. Socialist medical systems feed off capitalist ones. That's why other countries pay less for drugs than we do: they've negotiated prices with drug makers, leaving them to stick us.
That'll last until they run out of other people's money. Whcih is coming soon with Obamacare.

other countries didn't have some moron passing laws that ended negotiated prices with drug makers..... take Part D for instance.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course. That's capitalism and it works beautifully. Once govt takes over health care completely we will be stuck forever with the health care of that day.

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

So... um.. no.

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

Uh, no, Joe. Socialist medical systems feed off capitalist ones. That's why other countries pay less for drugs than we do: they've negotiated prices with drug makers, leaving them to stick us.
That'll last until they run out of other people's money. Whcih is coming soon with Obamacare.

other countries didn't have some moron passing laws that ended negotiated prices with drug makers..... take Part D for instance.

What a dope.

 

[Siete]

Of course. That's capitalism and it works beautifully. Once govt takes over health care completely we will be stuck forever with the health care of that day.

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

So... um.. no.

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

Uh, no, Joe. Socialist medical systems feed off capitalist ones. That's why other countries pay less for drugs than we do: they've negotiated prices with drug makers, leaving them to stick us.
That'll last until they run out of other people's money. Whcih is coming soon with Obamacare.

other countries didn't have some moron passing laws that ended negotiated prices with drug makers..... take Part D for instance.

What a dope.

so prove me wrong ... should be easy since I'm a dope

 

[Roadrunner]

I have two choices if I am to keep my home, my (paid for) vehicles and my IRA.

1) Keep my wife and daughter insured, and myself un-insured (while paying the much cheaper penalty).

2) Flat-out LYING on the application form.

I have no other outs.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Sign up the entire family at the last possible minute, but never make any payments. It takes 5 months before the policy can lapse. Then do it again next year. You'll also get a letter from the insurance company proving that you were "covered" for 5 months reducing your "penalty".

If you're uncomfortable with that......
Unless you (or your wife or daughter is sick), blow off the health insurance completely. In 6 years you and the wife can get medicare and your daughter probably doesn't need health insurance anyway. Life is full of risks......

Do NOT do that! Your penalty will not be reduced if you never paid a premium. I don't know where that rumor started but I've got dozens of former clients that are rushing to enroll now that they know they can't game the system like that. The evidence of coverage forms are invalidated if they're plans lapsed due to failure to pay without a low-income exemption.

? I have a form from Anthem Blue Cross for 2014 that states that I was covered for 5 months- I never made a payment. I didn't sign up using the exchange either......maybe that is the difference...?

At any rate, if you get a major illness you'll have free insurance for 4- 5 months....if you get sick, make a payment or two....

I want a life insurance deal like that on my dead parents.

 

[Roadrunner]

exccept that the "socialist" medical systems have made as many advances as the capitalist one...

Scientists will still work hard to make discoveries. IT's what they do for the love of science.

HAHAHA. You're a fool. No one is gonna work hard if they ain't paid. THINK

Hell, nobody is going to work at all if they are paid not to.

WTF do you think the labor non-participation rate is practically 40%.

 

[JoeB131]

Scientists working for drug companies don't get salaries and benefits? Wow, who knew?

They'd get the same salary and benefits if they worked off a government grant. So, no.

Capitalists aren't vital organs, they are parasites.

 

[The Rabbi]

Scientists working for drug companies don't get salaries and benefits? Wow, who knew?

They'd get the same salary and benefits if they worked off a government grant. So, no.

Capitalists aren't vital organs, they are parasites.

BUllshit. If that were true why arent they in academia working off gov't grants?
I know , the question is too hard for you becuse you cant imagine anyone not working for a union.

 

[JoeB131]

My health insurance is not subsidized by government. I take my income after taxes and pay for my health insurance premiums, which are not tax deductible. You are a stupid, lying POS.

Private Health insurance only exists because government makes a bunch of exemptions for it.

I got your point on the fire department you think we need federal guild-lines to force the states, counties, and cities to pay their employees federally mandated wages. It's moronic.

No, you keep missing my point on a fire department.

Okay, I will make it simple for you. My working class condo is on fire, and Mrs. OldRichHag's cat is stuck up in a tree. Quick question, who should the Fire Department get to first? Well, gosh darn, it WILL be my Condo. OldRichHag might whine about how she pays more in taxes, but the fire is the fucking priority here.

Health care should work the same way. My cancer should be treated before OldRichHag's botox treatment.

 

[JoeB131]

BUllshit. If that were true why arent they in academia working off gov't grants?
I know , the question is too hard for you becuse you cant imagine anyone not working for a union.

actually, most medical research IS done in academia on government grants.

 

[RKMBrown]

My health insurance is not subsidized by government. I take my income after taxes and pay for my health insurance premiums, which are not tax deductible. You are a stupid, lying POS.

Private Health insurance only exists because government makes a bunch of exemptions for it.

I got your point on the fire department you think we need federal guild-lines to force the states, counties, and cities to pay their employees federally mandated wages. It's moronic.

No, you keep missing my point on a fire department.

Okay, I will make it simple for you. My working class condo is on fire, and Mrs. OldRichHag's cat is stuck up in a tree. Quick question, who should the Fire Department get to first? Well, gosh darn, it WILL be my Condo. OldRichHag might whine about how she pays more in taxes, but the fire is the fucking priority here.

Health care should work the same way. My cancer should be treated before OldRichHag's botox treatment.

Exemptions? What exemptions are you talking about? You are just making shit up left and right.

What planet do you live on where a trauma surgeon will let a patient die in the ER while he goes off to get a cat stuck up a tree?

If you don't know anything about health care... just come out and admit it. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[The Rabbi]

BUllshit. If that were true why arent they in academia working off gov't grants?
I know , the question is too hard for you becuse you cant imagine anyone not working for a union.

actually, most medical research IS done in academia on government grants.

Irrelevant. And unproven.
Next.

 

[Siete]

BUllshit. If that were true why arent they in academia working off gov't grants?
I know , the question is too hard for you becuse you cant imagine anyone not working for a union.

actually, most medical research IS done in academia on government grants.

Irrelevant. And unproven.
Next.

Irrelevant. And unproven. ... your forte'.



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[The Rabbi]

BUllshit. If that were true why arent they in academia working off gov't grants?
I know , the question is too hard for you becuse you cant imagine anyone not working for a union.

actually, most medical research IS done in academia on government grants.

Irrelevant. And unproven.
Next.

Irrelevant. And unproven. ... your forte'.



Next

Ad hom as well as lacking substance.
next.

 

[Faun]

That's why your company has to provide you with insurance where they get a group policy with a much lower premium and deductible. Plus, many companies pay a portion of the premium.

So how is Obamacare making healthcare cheaper?

It's cheap for those on low/no income.

Right, because the rest of us are being shaken down to subsidize their rates. It's welfare, in other words.

People like us (tax payers), were already shaken down. People who can't afford insurance use emergency rooms for health care but wouldn't pay the bill. Tax dollars cover those losses. At least now, those bills will be paid by insurance companies only at a loser cost.

Then why is Obamacare more expensive? The previous arrangement was a better deal.

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

 

[RKMBrown]

So how is Obamacare making healthcare cheaper?

It's cheap for those on low/no income.

Right, because the rest of us are being shaken down to subsidize their rates. It's welfare, in other words.

People like us (tax payers), were already shaken down. People who can't afford insurance use emergency rooms for health care but wouldn't pay the bill. Tax dollars cover those losses. At least now, those bills will be paid by insurance companies only at a loser cost.

Then why is Obamacare more expensive? The previous arrangement was a better deal.

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

 

[Siete]

an insurance company paying for a persons medical care costs the taxpayers more than it does if a person has no insurance and the county pays for the medical service ..

ask any brain dead RW'r

 

[JoeB131]

Exemptions? What exemptions are you talking about? You are just making shit up left and right.

What planet do you live on where a trauma surgeon will let a patient die in the ER while he goes off to get a cat stuck up a tree?

If you don't know anything about health care... just come out and admit it. You're embarrassing yourself.

I think I am starting to confuse you here a bit.

Okay, we have people dying all the time from treatable diseases while billions are spent on things like Botox injections and plastic surgery and boob jobs. That was my point about treating medicine like a commodity instead of a public service. I'm sorry you are so dense that you can't make the connection.

Now, on to the point.



Individually-purchased health insurance is usually a one-year contract. But these insurance policies are subject to a federal policy called "guaranteed renewability." Once an insurer covers you, it has to offer you renewals as long as you want them, and it's not allowed to raise your premium based on new information about your health.

This rule, created by the bipartisan Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), is basically rent control for health insurance. It benefits the sick by obligating health insurers to write policies at a loss; they make up the difference by charging more to the healthy.



Read more: Your Private Health Insurance Is Really A Government Program - Business Insider