BIG!!!! Latest Gruber video will finish off Obamacare

[Faun]

Yeah, and to counter HillaryCare, the GOP proposed an individual mandate. Known affectionately these days as ... ObamaCare.

That lie has been debunked so many times anyone repeating it reveals himself as a mindless hack. No shock it's you.

Oh look, the forum jester chimes in to once again show everyone why he's the forum jester Here is claiming the following has been debunked ...

Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long

The Heritage Foundation "substantially revised" its proposal four years later, according to a 1994 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. But the idea of an individual health insurance mandate later appeared in two bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993, according to the non-partisan research group ProCon.org. Among the supporters of the bills were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who today oppose the mandate under current law.​

Hey, look! Isn't that Fox News reporting what I said, which you moronically claimed was "debunked??" Why yes, yes it is indeed. Keep up the good work!



As usual, the forum jester makes me laugh. You do your job well.

Um Heritage Foundation is not the GOP.

Looks like this has been debunked yet again.

You are too stupid for words, forum jester

I pointed out the GOP proposed the individual mandate and after your moronic claim that was debunked, I posted a link to a Fox News article about how Republicans introduced two separate bills containing an individual mandate, yet you still deny it. And no, forum jester , that's not like man date when you go out with your boyfriend.

Keep the laughs coming, Jester! They're much appreciated.

Gee two bills from who knows how long ago and that now represents the GOP.
You are one big fucking stupid ignorant retard. That's for sure.

You never cease to make me laugh at you, Jester the Molester. Of course that was a long time ago. I even pointed out it was the GOP response to HillaryCare, which dated it around 1993 or 1994. So what? It still happened as I said it did. Contrary to your brain-dead rightarded denial that it didn't.

Keep those laughs coming, forum jester!

 

[JoeB131]

What necessary procedure is not being done in this country?

I can't fix the depths of your ignorance, but here's a good place to start.

PBS- Healthcare Crisis Uwe E. Reinhardt PhD

Insurance rates change all the time, you are COMPLETELY CLUELESS.

Yes, they do. BUt what they can't do is treat health insurance like car insurance. They can't jack up your rates because you got cancer the way they can jack up your rates when you total your car.

 

[The Rabbi]

That lie has been debunked so many times anyone repeating it reveals himself as a mindless hack. No shock it's you.

Oh look, the forum jester chimes in to once again show everyone why he's the forum jester Here is claiming the following has been debunked ...

Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long

The Heritage Foundation "substantially revised" its proposal four years later, according to a 1994 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. But the idea of an individual health insurance mandate later appeared in two bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993, according to the non-partisan research group ProCon.org. Among the supporters of the bills were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who today oppose the mandate under current law.​

Hey, look! Isn't that Fox News reporting what I said, which you moronically claimed was "debunked??" Why yes, yes it is indeed. Keep up the good work!



As usual, the forum jester makes me laugh. You do your job well.

Um Heritage Foundation is not the GOP.

Looks like this has been debunked yet again.

You are too stupid for words, forum jester

I pointed out the GOP proposed the individual mandate and after your moronic claim that was debunked, I posted a link to a Fox News article about how Republicans introduced two separate bills containing an individual mandate, yet you still deny it. And no, forum jester , that's not like man date when you go out with your boyfriend.

Keep the laughs coming, Jester! They're much appreciated.

Gee two bills from who knows how long ago and that now represents the GOP.
You are one big fucking stupid ignorant retard. That's for sure.

You never cease to make me laugh at you, Jester the Molester. Of course that was a long time ago. I even pointed out it was the GOP response to HillaryCare, which dated it around 1993 or 1994. So what? It still happened as I said it did. Contrary to your brain-dead rightarded denial that it didn't.

Keep those laughs coming, forum jester!

Strawman fallacy. I didnt doubt there was a bill. I did doubt it represented the GOP.
Rabbi rules!

 

[Faun]

People like us (tax payers), were already shaken down. People who can't afford insurance use emergency rooms for health care but wouldn't pay the bill. Tax dollars cover those losses. At least now, those bills will be paid by insurance companies only at a loser cost.

Then why is Obamacare more expensive? The previous arrangement was a better deal.

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

 

[The Rabbi]

Then why is Obamacare more expensive? The previous arrangement was a better deal.

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

Link?
Oh yeah. You have no facts. You have no logical argument. All you have is insults and assertions.
You are truly the retarded joker of this forum.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

You're the dummie. Learn how to use the delete feature. The board is sick of your comment that also include comments of 10 other posters.

 

[Faun]

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

Link?
Oh yeah. You have no facts. You have no logical argument. All you have is insults and assertions.
You are truly the retarded joker of this forum.

forum jester , just how rightarded are you to think people driving BMW's are the ones in our society who can't afford health insurance??

 

[Faun]

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

You're the dummie. Learn how to use the delete feature. The board is sick of your comment that also include comments of 10 other posters.

I hit reply and the forum's software provides me a text box to type in. If you think I'm going to expend any energy to trim down the comments which were automatically inserted into my post because it bothers you, you're even dumber than I thought.

If you don't like it, either don't click where it reads, "click to expand..." or ignore my posts altogether. It matters not to me.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

That is beyond retarded. But not surprising coming from a rightard. People driving BMW's aren't the ones who can't afford health insurance.

Link?
Oh yeah. You have no facts. You have no logical argument. All you have is insults and assertions.
You are truly the retarded joker of this forum.

forum jester , just how rightarded are you to think people driving BMW's are the ones in our society who can't afford health insurance??

Eitherback up your assertion that no one driving a BMW cannot afford health insurance or shut the fuck up. This is about logical arguments and facts. Not who can spew the most invective.

 

[RKMBrown]

First you have to prove it's costing tax payers more than it was costing tax payers to pay for emergency room care for all those who previously didn't have insurance.

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

 

[Siete]

Why don't we start making people pay for their hospital stays... "AND" kill ACA?

We'll call it the "Return to Responsibility" Act.

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

the RW's don't have the balls to put an end to Obamacare, so until they do, they're in ass deep on the wealth redistribution talking point too.

 

[RKMBrown]

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

the RW's don't have the balls to put an end to Obamacare, so until they do, they're in ass deep on the wealth redistribution talking point too.

Depends on which RW you are talking about. Bonzer, yeah he has no balz..

We'll see they haven't even taken office yet, sort of hard to make predictions for how they will fail.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

the RW's don't have the balls to put an end to Obamacare, so until they do, they're in ass deep on the wealth redistribution talking point too.

Are you kidding? Democrats will be rushing to repeal this pig. Out of 60 Senators voting for it half of them are already gone.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh? And how do you propose making people who couldn't even afford health insurance; pay hospital bills which are even costlier?

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

the RW's don't have the balls to put an end to Obamacare, so until they do, they're in ass deep on the wealth redistribution talking point too.

Rightwingers do have the balls, but the RINO establishment Republicans in Congress don't. Your error is in thinking the two groups are the same people.

 

[bripat9643]

The reason the bills are high for the people that do pay, is the people that don't pay.

Those people that currently refuse to pay their bills? They'll have to hand over the keys to their BMWs.

The argument the Obamacare is cheaper for the people who had insurance because now the people who weren't covered will not recieve treatment in the emergency room is idiotic because Obamacare is vastly more expensive than the plans we previously.

How did we gain anything from Obamacare? Just admit that we got fucked by Obamacare.

It's hard to detail the winners in Obamacare.
Insurance companies? Nope. They had to take a bunch of high risk cases in exchange for what they thought were tons of customers. Turns out the demographics skewed and they'll be looking to the gov't for essentially bailout money.
Doctors? Nope. Compensation getting cut all the time
Drug companies? No.
Middle Class? Hell no
Poor people? They were covered by Medicaid anyway
Young people? They got fucked worst of all.
Democrats? Nope. They were told this was a ticket to perpetual majorities. We see how that worked out.
No one benefitted from this. No one.

The people who benefited includes the ones that had pre-existing conditions that were not covered but still had enough money to disqualify them for medicaid.

But more importantly for demorats it's not about who benefits its about who gets screwed the worst... which of course would be upper middle class folks that don't get subsidies (wealth redistribution.)

the RW's don't have the balls to put an end to Obamacare, so until they do, they're in ass deep on the wealth redistribution talking point too.

Are you kidding? Democrats will be rushing to repeal this pig. Out of 60 Senators voting for it half of them are already gone.

Could be. Any Dim voting against repeal would have to consider the possibility that he's committing political suicide.