Big Goverment in Arizona by GOPer Brewer

[Trajan]

Governors and state legislatures are mandated by the feds to fund Medicare/Medicaid.

State governments don't fund Medicare. And they're certainly not required to have a Medicaid program.

so why don't they block grant Medicaid across the board like they did with RI?

 

[Trajan]

The topic in the OP is MEDICAID.

If I inadvertently referenced MEDICARE, that's my mistake.

What is not in error is that the states end up, whether by hook or crook, funding a significant portion of MEDICAID .

Now, the moocher class, along with their fifth columnist enablers in politics and the media, piss and moan that they can't live a life of total irresponsibility and still get their freebie form Big Daddy Big Gubmint.

Well, my heart pumps purple peanut butter for the moocher class.

"The topic in the OP is MEDICAID" Oddball


No it isn't. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The topic is government telling you want to do, Big Government by Tea Party fav Jan Brewer.

you did post this, right-

Arizona Proposes Medicaid Fat Fee

I just knew you and your far right buds would deny and deflect Brewer's Big Government move. You folks get all riled up about smokers rights calling for Big Government to get off your ass. You folks bash Michelle Obama for her comments on obesity, yet "mum is the word" when Brewer tries to get a actual law regarding obesity.
Talk about solid convictions!!!

hey the brewer transplant thing, 100 people not covered, 2 deaths....so tell me, insurance co's have not 'caused' deaths via refusal to fund, the gov. hasn't or won't?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Funny how Oddball wants to change the topic into something else. Brewer is legislating what Michelle Obama suggested. I thought the righties were against that?

And the only response given is "that's different"

 

[Toro]

Fat people should pay more.

Just like smokers.

 

[Anachronism]

Funny how Oddball wants to change the topic into something else. Brewer is legislating what Michelle Obama suggested. I thought the righties were against that?

And the only response given is "that's different"

In a way it IS different....

Children do not normally get to make choices for themselves. I don't know too many kids who feed themselves. In general they eat what is presented to them by their parents. So in reality it should be a matter of teaching the parents what appropriate foods are, not flat out denying the children access to certain foods that they enjoy.

Adults are a different topic, alltogether. An adult has the CHOICE of what to eat, whether to smoke, drink, do drugs, etc... They actively choose to engage in what is a less healthy and more costly lifestyle. What Governor Brewer is doing does not force these people to eat healthy. It doesn't force them to stop smoking. They can continue to do these things. However, if they make that choice, they will be forced to pay a premium in order to do so.

It's a matter of Confiscation vs. Consequences.

 

[bripat9643]

So "big government" is when elected officials attempt to control the cost of parasites sucking on the government tit? "Big government" is reducing spending on massive welfare programs?

Only a liberal nitwit could devise such twisted "logic."

So here we Brewer telling people that have to be thinner and they must not eat in a unhealthy manner or smoke, it's going to cost them! She actually wrote wrote legislation controlling people's lives.

I expect all the anti-Big Government types and Michelle Obama haters to chime in on these facts. Brewer is making a law about obesity and the far right slammed Michelle Obama hard for her simple comments about child obesity.

 

[bripat9643]

No, he/she is just another useless tic on the ass of society. He's a government employee, in other words.

You're either a fool or a paid propagandist.

My money is on the latter.

 

[bripat9643]

What politicians do once they get elected doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what their constituents want them to do. Republican members of Congress are notorious for the spinelessness. All you have done is pointed it out.

I disagree with that assessment, look at government from 2001-2007, you certainly couldn't say they wanted to add 15 things and subtract 300. Was there any government program that got smaller or any budget that was lowered in that time frame with full republican control?

Both parties are equally fiscally liberal to me.

 

[bripat9643]

You're another liberal idiot who can't admit the truth about the criminals in Washington. If a state "opts out" of Medicaid, it's citizens will continue to pay taxes to the federal government to fund it. Yet, not citizens of the state will receive any benefits. That's indistinguishable from extortion.

All your abracadabra about whether the state government pays it or the state taxpayers pay it is just so much eyewash intended to obscure the essential fact that the federal government uses extortion on states to get them to fund Medicaid.

Muddled nonsense.

Medicare and Medicaid are not the same thing, particularly in the context of this thread and your own misinformed comments. To reiterate what I hope someday becomes common knowledge: Medicare is an entirely federal program the serves people over the age of 65 and certain disabled folks; state governments don't fund it and they don't administer it. As such, it has no place in this thread. It's much easier to listen to criticisms of these programs from people who understand what they are.

The "opt out" being discussed has nothing to do with individuals (individual enrollment in Medicaid is not mandatory anyway), it's about what state governments are compelled to do. This is in your response to your own silly statement that "Governors and state legislatures are mandated by the feds to fund Medicare/Medicaid." A state government loses nothing, other than matching funds, for dismantling its Medicaid program. It faces no penalty, it faces no sanction. "You can kiss all the taxes they take from you goodbye" is irrelevant because 1) it confuses individual federal taxpayers with state government entities, and 2) the folks paying the federal income taxes that fund the federal match component of Medicaid generally aren't themselves receiving Medicaid services.

These arguments are inane.

 

[bripat9643]

Those that have done analysis in the wake of the ACA to examine whether this will no longer be a good deal with the new eligibility requirements in 2014 have ended up concluding that, indeed, it's still a good deal for the state and forgoing the federal money in exchange for total programmatic flexibility is not in the best interest of the state.

States fund a good portion of Medicaid because it's their program. A more accurate way to put it is that the federal government funds 50%+ of every state's unique medical assistance program.

A good way to put it is that state taxpayers pay extortion to the federal government if they want to get back some of the money extracted from their hides at gun point.

 

[Trajan]

Fat people should pay more.

Just like smokers.

define 'fat'...?

 

[Toro]

Fat people should pay more.

Just like smokers.

define 'fat'...?

10 pounds heavier than me.

 

[Zona]

Arizona Proposes Medicaid Fat Fee

Arizona's governor on Thursday proposed levying a $50 fee on some enrollees in the state's cash-starved Medicaid program, including obese people who don't follow a doctor-supervised slimming regimen and smokers.

The plan, if approved by the Republican-dominated legislature, would mark the first time the state-federal health-care program for the poor has charged people for engaging in behavior deemed unhealthy

Arizona Proposes Medicare Fat Fee - WSJ.com

So here we Brewer telling people that have to be thinner and they must not eat in a unhealthy manner or smoke, it's going to cost them! She actually wrote wrote legislation controlling people's lives.

I expect all the anti-Big Government types and Michelle Obama haters to chime in on these facts. Brewer is making a law about obesity and the far right slammed Michelle Obama hard for her simple comments about child obesity.

It wont pass. This state is crazy but even we're not this bad. Brewer is actually scary though.

 

[Trajan]

Fat people should pay more.

Just like smokers.

define 'fat'...?

10 pounds heavier than me.

I won't ask....

 

[Toro]

define 'fat'...?

10 pounds heavier than me.

I won't ask....

Hey, I'm down to 185! I have to lose another 10 lbs for my high school reunion this summer.

 

[Shadow]

Arizona Governor Proposes Revamping Medicaid Program

Arizonans Be Fined for Leading Unhealthy Lives

As part of a plan to revamp the state's Medicaid program, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer announced on Thursday that she is proposing fees for adults who lead unhealthy lives.

Childless adults who are obese or suffer from a chronic condition and who fail to work with their doctor to meet specific goals would be charged $50 annually. The $50 annual fee also would apply to all childless adult smokers.

"If you're not going to manage those things and take some personal responsibility, and in turn that costs the state more money, then you need to have some skin in the game," said Monica Coury, assistant director of Arizona's Medicaid program.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Proposes Fining Obese Adults and Smokers - ABC News

 

[Zoom-boing]

I don't have a problem with smokers or obese paying a higher premium for their health insurance, as they are more of a risk. So, okay. The problem is that those smokers or obese (whose tax money will then be counted on to pay for whatever) will quit, thus leaving a shortage of monies. And what the hell is with charging diabetics or those with 'chronic' conditions this fee? Give me a break.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Arizona Proposes Medicaid Fat Fee

Arizona's governor on Thursday proposed levying a $50 fee on some enrollees in the state's cash-starved Medicaid program, including obese people who don't follow a doctor-supervised slimming regimen and smokers.

The plan, if approved by the Republican-dominated legislature, would mark the first time the state-federal health-care program for the poor has charged people for engaging in behavior deemed unhealthy

Arizona Proposes Medicare Fat Fee - WSJ.com

So here we Brewer telling people that have to be thinner and they must not eat in a unhealthy manner or smoke, it's going to cost them! She actually wrote wrote legislation controlling people's lives.

I expect all the anti-Big Government types and Michelle Obama haters to chime in on these facts. Brewer is making a law about obesity and the far right slammed Michelle Obama hard for her simple comments about child obesity.

Let me just point out that this is a plan that makes people pay for their choices that affect their health if they want medical care. It is not involved in controlling them, or forcing them into something they do not want. Hell, it is not even about forcing other people to pay for them. It is actually designed to reduce costs, not control prices.

What, exactly, is your problem with it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Governors and state legislatures are mandated by the feds to fund Medicare/Medicaid.

State governments don't fund Medicare. And they're certainly not required to have a Medicaid program.

Oh, so this "cost sharing" thingy is just a figment of my imagination?

They obviously have a new idiot posting using the Greenbeard name. He has said some really stupid things that are exceptionally easy to disprove lately.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Man i have to laugh at all the Big Government Goose Steppers feigning outrage over this. Socialists/Progressives should be praising Brewer on this but instead they're pretending they're so outraged. That's just very dishonest & hypocritical. If she had that 'D' by her name,these same Socialists/Progressives would be on their knees licking her boots in praise. And it's also a bit dishonest & hypocritical for those who call themselves Conservatives to be praising her. Real Conservatives would oppose this. It shouldn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. Brewer's got it right on the Border/Immigration but she's got it wrong on this.