Biden's Thursday Speech On Gun Control, A Bust!

JimofPennsylvan

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This Thursday's President Biden's Speech about the spate of mass shootings the nation is seeing and needed gun regulation was an error was an error by a President that is not top notch. What the nation needs is common sense gun regulation legislation that is going to require legislating skill of threading a needle; this speech by the President did not advance the cause it was offensive to Republicans, it was partisan in its policy promotion and on a couple of issues it was just advocating bad policy. The Republican base is going to see and here about this speech and they will be clamoring to the Republicans in Congress don't work with these guys they have a bad agenda on the Second Amendment. Biden should have kept his mouth shut publicly on this issue and let the Bipartisan Senate negotiators complete their task and behind the scenes offering any support that would be helpful, if the negotiators failed then he could deliver his sermon from the White House. President Biden's fumbling of the ball here makes one wonder what is President Biden's system for how he governs. Prudent Presidents have a kitchen Cabinet with two to five members that they vet or run by major things before they do them. If you were to give this Speech to a bunch of Political Science majors that just graduated from college the majority of them would say this is a bad idea to give this speech this will alienate Republicans toward you on this issue; kitchen cabinets don't always get it right but at least they stop Presidents from acting clearly stupid!

President Biden in his Speech criticized the Republicans for letting the assault weapon ban expire in 2004. Hey Joe how about dropping your double standard here, the Democrats had the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2009 and didn't reinstate the ban. Might it be Joe that the NRA and those Americans that hold the 2nd Amendment dear generate great fear amongst Congressional Office Holders of both parties on gun regulation matters. Joe your Policies on taking away gun manufacturers legal immunity isn't bipartisan at all in fact it is atrociously bad policy. Gun manufacturers aren't negligent here it is the shooters that are the bad guys and the sole bad guys here. The only thing that the incredibly stupid and irresponsible policy of removing tort immunity from gun manufacturers is going to bring is that the price of guns will skyrocket as plaintiff lawyers have a field day extracting humongous judgments from these manufactures, plus, it will promulgate illegal sales of gun bigtime as black market sales of foreign made guns sky rocket as gun buyers in America see this purchase avenue the only means to get an affordable gun which will burden our already overburdened law enforcement system. President Biden wants to have Federal safe storage laws he wants to make gun owners criminally and civilly liable if they fail to lock up their gun. Does it ever occur to you Joe that good policy includes not making good law abiding citizens criminals. Good people make mistakes they forget things the Federal government doesn't need to get into this area, they should let states handle this problem and states should just make it a summary offense for failing to store one's gun properly unless someone gets significantly physically hurt by the mistake then it should be a misdemeanor.

At this juncture if the bipartisan effort in the Senate fails. President Biden should have an ally in the Senate and the House enter a bill in their respective chamber called the Common Sense Gun Control Legislation To Respond to Out Of Control Gun Violence in America - this bill will only contain four policies that the vast majority of Americans, Americans heavily representing both parties, support. It will contain policy provisions that ban assault rifles (largely that mirrors the 1994 law), that bans high capacity magazines, that closes the gun show and internet purchases loop holes for background checks and that stops the automatic approval if the background check is not completed within three days but rather lets gun sellers use an approved list by the respective federal agencies of internet companies that do automatic background check to do the checking it won't be as good as the FBI system but the public systems are pretty good at identifying a person's criminal record history. Lastly, the bill should have red flag provisions that flag people that are at high risk of using guns in a violent manner and mirror these provisions after the Manchin/Toomey bill provisions in this area. With this bill, President Biden and Democrats members of Congress can not only show the public what they support and would make law it would force many Republicans to support the bill because it is impossible to defend against not supporting in districts and states where the majority of people are reasonable on this issue.

One last point, I am an advocate for keeping the sixty vote threshold for ending a filibuster in the Senate and bringing up a bill for votes. But the Republicans using this protection in our nation's legislating apparatus to prevent legislation the vast majority of the nation support is an abuse of this vital protection for our nation. The critical purpose of the sixty vote threshold is a recognition that passing laws in America is a very serious business it often has profound impact on many Americans it is a recognition that significant bills should not become laws in America unless they have broad consensus. Common Sense Gun Regulation like the aforementioned has long had broad bi-partisan support across the country. As long as the bill was a consensus bill like that outlined and there was a guarantee that there would be no partisan or bad amendments brought up for a vote on the bill, it is completely wrong and disgraceful for Republicans not to vote to end the filibuster and bring the bill up for a vote. Of course these Republicans should not vote for passage on the bill if it bothers their conscience but they are not doing their job to use the filibusters to block the vote on such a bill, America doesn't have a supermajority vote requirement to pass bills through Congress the Constitution only requires a majority, Republican members of Congress should let America's democracy work on this issue!
 
Biden doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting children. If he did, he would be trying to stop the flow of HAND GUNS into the inner cities. They are being used by gang bangers who kill children like Serenity Broughton (my avatar) on a daily basis. 18 month old De Avry Thomas was killed just days ago in a random drive by shooting.
 
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As long as they continue to call for "banning" guns, they will get NOTHING done.

As I have said before. I'm not against stopping people who are mentally ill from obtaining a gun, or not keeping one until they can be evaluated and be deemed no threat. But WHO and HOW that happens is what I have a serious problem with because I don't support the loss of ANYONES 2nd amendment right without due process. And I never will. Even if 300 kids are killed.

Sorry, it's just me.
 
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As long as they continue to call for "banning" guns, they will get NOTHING done.

As I have said before. I'm not against stopping people who are mentally ill from obtaining a gun, or not keeping one until they can be evaluated and be deemed no threat. But WHO and HOW that happens is what I have a serious problem with because I don't support the loss of ANYONES 2nd amendment right without due process. And I never will. Even if 300 kids are killed.

Sorry, it's just me.
So the kid that allegedly shot you. Lets say he is arrested and gets out on bail.

He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Should he still have access to a gun? If not..why not?
 
So the kid that allegedly shot you. Lets say he is arrested and gets out on bail.

He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Should he still have access to a gun? If not..why not?
Being charged with a crime and out on bail makes it illegal for you to buy a gun in every state in the union....
 
This Thursday's President Biden's Speech about the spate of mass shootings the nation is seeing and needed gun regulation was an error was an error by a President that is not top notch. What the nation needs is common sense gun regulation legislation that is going to require legislating skill of threading a needle; this speech by the President did not advance the cause it was offensive to Republicans, it was partisan in its policy promotion and on a couple of issues it was just advocating bad policy. The Republican base is going to see and here about this speech and they will be clamoring to the Republicans in Congress don't work with these guys they have a bad agenda on the Second Amendment. Biden should have kept his mouth shut publicly on this issue and let the Bipartisan Senate negotiators complete their task and behind the scenes offering any support that would be helpful, if the negotiators failed then he could deliver his sermon from the White House. President Biden's fumbling of the ball here makes one wonder what is President Biden's system for how he governs. Prudent Presidents have a kitchen Cabinet with two to five members that they vet or run by major things before they do them. If you were to give this Speech to a bunch of Political Science majors that just graduated from college the majority of them would say this is a bad idea to give this speech this will alienate Republicans toward you on this issue; kitchen cabinets don't always get it right but at least they stop Presidents from acting clearly stupid!

President Biden in his Speech criticized the Republicans for letting the assault weapon ban expire in 2004. Hey Joe how about dropping your double standard here, the Democrats had the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2009 and didn't reinstate the ban. Might it be Joe that the NRA and those Americans that hold the 2nd Amendment dear generate great fear amongst Congressional Office Holders of both parties on gun regulation matters. Joe your Policies on taking away gun manufacturers legal immunity isn't bipartisan at all in fact it is atrociously bad policy. Gun manufacturers aren't negligent here it is the shooters that are the bad guys and the sole bad guys here. The only thing that the incredibly stupid and irresponsible policy of removing tort immunity from gun manufacturers is going to bring is that the price of guns will skyrocket as plaintiff lawyers have a field day extracting humongous judgments from these manufactures, plus, it will promulgate illegal sales of gun bigtime as black market sales of foreign made guns sky rocket as gun buyers in America see this purchase avenue the only means to get an affordable gun which will burden our already overburdened law enforcement system. President Biden wants to have Federal safe storage laws he wants to make gun owners criminally and civilly liable if they fail to lock up their gun. Does it ever occur to you Joe that good policy includes not making good law abiding citizens criminals. Good people make mistakes they forget things the Federal government doesn't need to get into this area, they should let states handle this problem and states should just make it a summary offense for failing to store one's gun properly unless someone gets significantly physically hurt by the mistake then it should be a misdemeanor.

At this juncture if the bipartisan effort in the Senate fails. President Biden should have an ally in the Senate and the House enter a bill in their respective chamber called the Common Sense Gun Control Legislation To Respond to Out Of Control Gun Violence in America - this bill will only contain four policies that the vast majority of Americans, Americans heavily representing both parties, support. It will contain policy provisions that ban assault rifles (largely that mirrors the 1994 law), that bans high capacity magazines, that closes the gun show and internet purchases loop holes for background checks and that stops the automatic approval if the background check is not completed within three days but rather lets gun sellers use an approved list by the respective federal agencies of internet companies that do automatic background check to do the checking it won't be as good as the FBI system but the public systems are pretty good at identifying a person's criminal record history. Lastly, the bill should have red flag provisions that flag people that are at high risk of using guns in a violent manner and mirror these provisions after the Manchin/Toomey bill provisions in this area. With this bill, President Biden and Democrats members of Congress can not only show the public what they support and would make law it would force many Republicans to support the bill because it is impossible to defend against not supporting in districts and states where the majority of people are reasonable on this issue.

One last point, I am an advocate for keeping the sixty vote threshold for ending a filibuster in the Senate and bringing up a bill for votes. But the Republicans using this protection in our nation's legislating apparatus to prevent legislation the vast majority of the nation support is an abuse of this vital protection for our nation. The critical purpose of the sixty vote threshold is a recognition that passing laws in America is a very serious business it often has profound impact on many Americans it is a recognition that significant bills should not become laws in America unless they have broad consensus. Common Sense Gun Regulation like the aforementioned has long had broad bi-partisan support across the country. As long as the bill was a consensus bill like that outlined and there was a guarantee that there would be no partisan or bad amendments brought up for a vote on the bill, it is completely wrong and disgraceful for Republicans not to vote to end the filibuster and bring the bill up for a vote. Of course these Republicans should not vote for passage on the bill if it bothers their conscience but they are not doing their job to use the filibusters to block the vote on such a bill, America doesn't have a supermajority vote requirement to pass bills through Congress the Constitution only requires a majority, Republican members of Congress should let America's democracy work on this issue!
Some good stuff there.

As for the filibuster....

make it a true filibuster. NOTHING happens until a filibuster is either withdrawn or the legislation is withdrawn. That means that nothing else gets done in the Senate.
 
Biden doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting children. If he did, he would be trying to stop the flow of HAND GUNS into the inner cities. They are being used by gang bangers who kill children ...
Yes. But it's all for the good of the buck, the arms industry, and tax dollar generation.
... like Serenity Broughton (my avatar)
I knew you looked familiar.
 
As long as they continue to call for "banning" guns, they will get NOTHING done.
But as soon as they succeed in getting a ban on guns EVERYTHING will get done. The only thing you've accomplished with your statement is to remind us that NOTHING is getting done now - As is - In this long point of time.
I don't support the loss of ANYONES 2nd amendment right without due process.
That's what a repeal is .... the banning of guns by "due process".
 
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The dems have total control... They can do almost whatever they want... but they won't... they want an issue to run on and to blame republicans....
Maybe they can take that 40 billion they want to send to Ukraine and put door and window alarms and cameras in their schools.....
 
So the kid that allegedly shot you. Lets say he is arrested and gets out on bail.

He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Should he still have access to a gun? If not..why not?
If there is enough evidence to CHARGE the person with a crime then temporary limitations on 2A would be acceptable IMO. What I'd have a HUGE problem with is such limitations being applied just because of an accusation, especially if it came from an anonymous source.
Just such a situation caused the death of a citizen in DC, IIRC, when LEOs appeared at his door at 5 AM banging and announcing they were serving a warrant. He was half awake when he responded and had a pistol in his hand because he didn't know who was banging on his door. Cops shot him dead in his own home. THAT is the kind of BS we can expect with "red flag" laws.
 
Biden doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting children. If he did, he would be trying to stop the flow of HAND GUNS into the inner cities. They are being used by gang bangers who kill children like Serenity Broughton (my avatar) on a daily basis. 18 month old De Avry Thomas was killed just days ago in a random drive by shooting.
He spoke a few days ago about doing something about 9mm with high capacity magazines. That is when he lost me on the whole effort, rather than when it went for limits on ARs, AKs, etc. I have an AR, and still doubt I would be effected, but when he spoke about standard carry 9mm pistols, mine being a full size 9mm PPQ holding 15+1, that is when I knew this whole thing, if they got their way was going to try to go way beyond the pale. Some of us are licensed, highly trained, highly background checked, with even deeper checks still on file. I am no lawbreaker, but I would be a lawbreaker before I gave up my AR and service pistol along with it. I am no gang banger, but I do not plan to be unarmed if I ever have to meet one. I don't live in a bad neighborhood, but at night especially, it's like American Express. I don't leave home without it. I am sorry for your loss or losses, but I had no hand in it.

He could be sabotaging the effort, himself, by bringing other things into discussion, by acting like he would like to do something. The OP pointed out, the last ban they had ran out in 94 with Republicans in charge, but the Democrats didn't try to put it back in, when they were in charge, 2 years later.
 
If there is enough evidence to CHARGE the person with a crime then temporary limitations on 2A would be acceptable IMO.
But then we get into the area of politically motivated charges being filed. At least anytime a republican is accused of anything...that is the reflexive response we hear.
What I'd have a HUGE problem with is such limitations being applied just because of an accusation, especially if it came from an anonymous source.
Just such a situation caused the death of a citizen in DC, IIRC, when LEOs appeared at his door at 5 AM banging and announcing they were serving a warrant. He was half awake when he responded and had a pistol in his hand because he didn't know who was banging on his door. Cops shot him dead in his own home. THAT is the kind of BS we can expect with "red flag" laws.
There was a famous video on the Internet of a guy who drove his truck into a motel. Some dispute about a bill or something.



Just out of curiosity...should such a guy with obvious anger management issues lose his immediate right to a gun? What about 2 years down the line?
 
This Thursday's President Biden's Speech about the spate of mass shootings the nation is seeing and needed gun regulation was an error was an error by a President that is not top notch. What the nation needs is common sense gun regulation legislation that is going to require legislating skill of threading a needle; this speech by the President did not advance the cause it was offensive to Republicans, it was partisan in its policy promotion and on a couple of issues it was just advocating bad policy. The Republican base is going to see and here about this speech and they will be clamoring to the Republicans in Congress don't work with these guys they have a bad agenda on the Second Amendment. Biden should have kept his mouth shut publicly on this issue and let the Bipartisan Senate negotiators complete their task and behind the scenes offering any support that would be helpful, if the negotiators failed then he could deliver his sermon from the White House. President Biden's fumbling of the ball here makes one wonder what is President Biden's system for how he governs. Prudent Presidents have a kitchen Cabinet with two to five members that they vet or run by major things before they do them. If you were to give this Speech to a bunch of Political Science majors that just graduated from college the majority of them would say this is a bad idea to give this speech this will alienate Republicans toward you on this issue; kitchen cabinets don't always get it right but at least they stop Presidents from acting clearly stupid!

President Biden in his Speech criticized the Republicans for letting the assault weapon ban expire in 2004. Hey Joe how about dropping your double standard here, the Democrats had the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2009 and didn't reinstate the ban. Might it be Joe that the NRA and those Americans that hold the 2nd Amendment dear generate great fear amongst Congressional Office Holders of both parties on gun regulation matters. Joe your Policies on taking away gun manufacturers legal immunity isn't bipartisan at all in fact it is atrociously bad policy. Gun manufacturers aren't negligent here it is the shooters that are the bad guys and the sole bad guys here. The only thing that the incredibly stupid and irresponsible policy of removing tort immunity from gun manufacturers is going to bring is that the price of guns will skyrocket as plaintiff lawyers have a field day extracting humongous judgments from these manufactures, plus, it will promulgate illegal sales of gun bigtime as black market sales of foreign made guns sky rocket as gun buyers in America see this purchase avenue the only means to get an affordable gun which will burden our already overburdened law enforcement system. President Biden wants to have Federal safe storage laws he wants to make gun owners criminally and civilly liable if they fail to lock up their gun. Does it ever occur to you Joe that good policy includes not making good law abiding citizens criminals. Good people make mistakes they forget things the Federal government doesn't need to get into this area, they should let states handle this problem and states should just make it a summary offense for failing to store one's gun properly unless someone gets significantly physically hurt by the mistake then it should be a misdemeanor.

At this juncture if the bipartisan effort in the Senate fails. President Biden should have an ally in the Senate and the House enter a bill in their respective chamber called the Common Sense Gun Control Legislation To Respond to Out Of Control Gun Violence in America - this bill will only contain four policies that the vast majority of Americans, Americans heavily representing both parties, support. It will contain policy provisions that ban assault rifles (largely that mirrors the 1994 law), that bans high capacity magazines, that closes the gun show and internet purchases loop holes for background checks and that stops the automatic approval if the background check is not completed within three days but rather lets gun sellers use an approved list by the respective federal agencies of internet companies that do automatic background check to do the checking it won't be as good as the FBI system but the public systems are pretty good at identifying a person's criminal record history. Lastly, the bill should have red flag provisions that flag people that are at high risk of using guns in a violent manner and mirror these provisions after the Manchin/Toomey bill provisions in this area. With this bill, President Biden and Democrats members of Congress can not only show the public what they support and would make law it would force many Republicans to support the bill because it is impossible to defend against not supporting in districts and states where the majority of people are reasonable on this issue.

One last point, I am an advocate for keeping the sixty vote threshold for ending a filibuster in the Senate and bringing up a bill for votes. But the Republicans using this protection in our nation's legislating apparatus to prevent legislation the vast majority of the nation support is an abuse of this vital protection for our nation. The critical purpose of the sixty vote threshold is a recognition that passing laws in America is a very serious business it often has profound impact on many Americans it is a recognition that significant bills should not become laws in America unless they have broad consensus. Common Sense Gun Regulation like the aforementioned has long had broad bi-partisan support across the country. As long as the bill was a consensus bill like that outlined and there was a guarantee that there would be no partisan or bad amendments brought up for a vote on the bill, it is completely wrong and disgraceful for Republicans not to vote to end the filibuster and bring the bill up for a vote. Of course these Republicans should not vote for passage on the bill if it bothers their conscience but they are not doing their job to use the filibusters to block the vote on such a bill, America doesn't have a supermajority vote requirement to pass bills through Congress the Constitution only requires a majority, Republican members of Congress should let America's democracy work on this issue!
Biden will be the last democrat President
 
Except for creating the society in which those losses occur.
Not me. I am a responsible owner, handler, have taught weapons safety, support permits, and cracking down on people who are not supposed to have weapons.
 

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