Biden’s EPA Holds Up Major Oil Refinery Amid National Fuel Crisis

[JohnDB]

So even though we have artificially lower priced EVs than what full retail would be....

And artificially high prices of diesel due to decreased supply....

People still desire diesel over electric.

Currently EVERY energy producer is in revolt over the behavior of this administration....from Electricity generators to petroleum producers. We are having rolling blackouts in places from Nashville to California...all because of the lack of coal burning. Nor for a lack of generating facilities.

So...instead of our government having a hostile relationship with energy producers and other industries...how about one of cooperation and assisting? Scrubber financing for coal burners instead of EV subsidies. This will clean up and reservice otherwise brown sites sitting empty. Stop putting blocks on diesel production and use the taxes generated by profits to fund these things.

But of course that would mean that fighting and feuding would stop....and nobody wants to do that.

 

[Polishprince]

So even though we have artificially lower priced EVs than what full retail would be....

And artificially high prices of diesel due to decreased supply....

People still desire diesel over electric.

Currently EVERY energy producer is in revolt over the behavior of this administration....from Electricity generators to petroleum producers. We are having rolling blackouts in places from Nashville to California...all because of the lack of coal burning. Nor for a lack of generating facilities.

So...instead of our government having a hostile relationship with energy producers and other industries...how about one of cooperation and assisting? Scrubber financing for coal burners instead of EV subsidies. This will clean up and reservice otherwise brown sites sitting empty. Stop putting blocks on diesel production and use the taxes generated by profits to fund these things.

But of course that would mean that fighting and feuding would stop....and nobody wants to do that.

Rolling blackouts is considered a positive by the Biden Regime. Its what they do in sophisticated countries in Latin America and Africa, and is called "load shedding". Anything to punish or inconvenience a middle class that is too "uppity" like we have in America.

 

[bripat9643]

Really the public street goes right through the gates of this companies property. That's what your going with. That is just so MAGAGA.

A street goes through the gates, moron. Otherwise, why would you have a gate?

You are too stupid to make your lungs work.

 

[bripat9643]

So you can't see the fencing up around the property of the company property?

That doesn't show you where the gates are, moron.

 

[Dragonlady]

And Biden and the Libs say they wonder why the oil concerns aren't anxious to open new refineries?

How does this EPA fight help the supply of gasoline to the American consumer at all or reduce the prices?

You seem to have no concerns for people suffering the effects of air and water pollution from these refineries. Trump's roll back of environmental regulations resulted in thousands of Americans dying from the effects of that pollution. Of course Republicans proved throughout the pandemic that they don't care if Americans die, so long as the economy isn't harmed.

 

[bripat9643]

You seem to have no concerns for people suffering the effects of air and water pollution from these refineries. Trump's roll back of environmental regulations resulted in thousands of Americans dying from the effects of that pollution. Of course Republicans proved throughout the pandemic that they don't care if Americans die, so long as the economy isn't harmed.

That's a flat-out lie. Name one person that died.

 

[Dragonlady]

Show us a picture of these houses, turd.

Lord but you are too stupid to be one person. If you want something, find it yourself you lazy piece of shit. You lazy right wingers want everything handed to you on a silver plate, and then you don't even look at the links, when posted.

Such willful laziness and ignorance is the real reason your nation is in the toilet and the waters are swirling.

 

[Dragonlady]

That's a fhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.htmllat-out lie. Name one person that died.

Not that you'll read the links:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-epas-climate-rollbacks-could-mean-thousands-of-premature-deaths/https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-epas-climate-rollbacks-could-mean-thousands-of-premature-deaths/

EPA’s Recent Rollbacks Raise Public Health Worries for Vulnerable Americans

People of color already face more pollution linked to a higher risk of dying from COVID-19, and now the government is easing air-quality regulations.

www.audubon.org

Environmental regulation rollbacks could lead to premature deaths

Trump administration efforts to roll back Obama-era environmental regulations aimed at reducing carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions could result in nearly 14,000 premature deaths per year, according to …

www.hsph.harvard.edu

 

[jc456]

Lord but you are too stupid to be one person. If you want something, find it yourself you lazy piece of shit. You lazy right wingers want everything handed to you on a silver plate, and then you don't even look at the links, when posted.

Such willful laziness and ignorance is the real reason your nation is in the toilet and the waters are swirling.

Surprise, kanoock from the north has nothing to back her post

 

[surada]

That's a flat-out lie. Name one person that died.

Several Midwest refineries that were retrofitted for tarsands have been bypassed for profits in the Free Trade Zone. .. driving up gas prices in that region. Regulations re: excess pollution are essential no matter what Trump thought. We make a poor showing in production emissions compared to other countries.

 

[bripat9643]

Several Midwest refineries that were retrofitted for tarsands have been bypassed for profits in the Free Trade Zone. .. driving up gas prices in that region. Regulations re: excess pollution are essential no matter what Trump thought. We make a poor showing in production emissions compared to other countries.

No one, in other words.

 

[CowboyTed]

Biden keeps denying that he's placed any obstacles in the way of producing gas and diesel.

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Biden’s EPA Holds Up Major Oil Refinery Amid National Fuel Crisis |​

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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Thursday announced that a large idled refinery in the U.S. Virgin Islands will remain shut down until it acquires a new Clean Air Act permit amid a national diesel shortage.​

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The St. Croix refinery, owned by West Indies Petroleum Limited and Port Hamilton Refining and Transportation, LLLC, has been shut down since June 2021 and will have to obtain a Prevention of Significant Deterioration permit which would require the operators to provide detailed air quality analyses and use sophisticated air pollution control technology, according to the EPA press release. At the same time, the U.S. only has 26 days of diesel remaining in its commercial inventories and a gallon of diesel is roughly $1.58 more expensive than it was in November 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA).​

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The refinery, which was once one of the largest refineries in the world, used to be able to process 600,000 barrels of crude oil per day into gasoline and heating oil, a form of diesel, according to Bloomberg. The price of heating oil was 65% higher in October 2022 than it was in October 2021, meaning that Americans in the Northeast of the country will pay significantly more to keep their homes warm during the cold winter months, according to the EIA.​

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The Biden administration is also mulling a plan that would force oil companies to store a minimum amount of diesel in their fuel tanks, which could potentially exacerbate prices, Bloomberg reported Tuesday.​

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“I am committed to prioritizing the health and safety of underserved and overburdened communities across this country and holding polluters accountable,” EPA Administration Michael Regan said, according to the announcement. “This will ensure protections for St. Croix by requiring the refinery to operate in compliance with environmental laws designed to protect people’s health and the environment.”​

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The EPA pulled the refinery’s operating permit in June 2021 after nearby residents complained that they were becoming sick from the facility’s fumes, forcing the previous operator to lay off its workers and sell the plant, according to Reuters.​

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In late October, EPA inspectors said that the facility could catch on fire or release “extremely hazardous substances” which could harm St. Croix residents, according to an agency report. The agency also found “significant corrosion” on valves, pipes and other equipment at the site, according to an October letter sent to the owners’ lawyers.​

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President Joe Biden has accused fuel producers of “war profiteering” by refusing to increase refining capacity amid global fuel shortages that were exacerbated by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. However, in June, Biden’s EPA rescinded exemptions that would have allowed nearly 70 small-volume refiners to avoid blending renewable biofuels into diesel despite the fact that refiners claimed that this would hike costs and decrease output, according to an agency docket.​

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Companies in the U.S. have also not built a major oil refinery in 50 years due to regulatory concerns and anticipation that the green transition will kill demand for fossil fuels. Energy executives believe that the administration’s negative attitude towards the industry is dampening investment, according to a June survey conducted by the Dallas Federal Reserve.​

Did the EPA suddenly make up the rules?

Do you think these rules have been in place for a while?

Are you about abandoning all Clean Air Act emissions?

Number of lives saved by U.S. Clean Air Act continues to grow: Opponents trying to repeal protections

The Clean Air Act saved 160,000 lives last year, and the number of lives saved annually is expected to top 230,000 by 2020, according to a report released by the Environmental Protection Agency in March.

www.thenationshealth.org

So it is estimated that the Clean Air Act saves 46 lives a day...

So the headline is that Biden refuses to kill 46 people a day for cheap diesel...
On other news, there is plenty of diesel on the global market if you want to fucking pay for it...

 

[CowboyTed]

Why? I'm commenting in the thread that a demofk claims it's bad for the neighbors living next to refineries is why the EPA acted.

Think you will have to go back to explaining how oil is a global commodity...

We are talking about real ignorance here..

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, I decided to go to the Google machine to find out how far homes are supposed to be from a refinery, and it varies from state to state. HUD operates under federal regs, and they say at least 300 feet, but some places it's allowed within 100. Here's a link..............

How far should oil and gas facilities be from a home? The federal government is more protective than some states

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is home to the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). FHA insures home mortgages to help Americans buy homes. When considering whether a property is eligible for an FHA-insured loan, HUD requires that "a...

www.nrdc.org

But HUD goes further and states that "Operating and abandoned oil and gas wells pose potential hazards to housing, including potential fire, explosion, spray and other pollution.... No existing dwelling may be located closer than 300 feet from an active or planned drilling site. Note that this applies to the site boundary, not to the actual well site."

The mandated distance from an industrial facility to a home or other sensitive area is called a "setback." Some towns in Texas have setbacks of up to 1,000 feet from a home, fresh water well, school, hospital or public park.

Some places in the country, however, still have setbacks for homes that are less then 300 feet. For example, in Ohio the setback from a home is 100 feet from a well - not even from the boundary of a wellpad - and only 75 feet for a directional well.

So, you can see that it varies quite a bit.

As far as how safe is it to live from a refinery? Many medical experts say that you can suffer various serious problems if you live within 3 miles of one. Here's a lot of technical data if you're interested.....................

Proximity to Oil Refineries and Risk of Cancer: A Population-Based Analysis

The association between proximity to oil refineries and cancer rate is largely unknown. We sought to compare the rate of cancer (bladder, breast, colon, lung, lymphoma, and prostate) according to proximity to an oil refinery in Texas.A total of 6 302 265 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And.....................here's some pictures of houses that are fairly close to refineries..................

The Google machine is a wonderful device, it can help a great deal in sorting through all the bullshit that some people like to spew.

 

[CowboyTed]

That's a flat-out lie. Name one person that died.

Number of lives saved by U.S. Clean Air Act continues to grow: Opponents trying to repeal protections

The Clean Air Act saved 160,000 lives last year, and the number of lives saved annually is expected to top 230,000 by 2020, according to a report released by the Environmental Protection Agency in March.

www.thenationshealth.org

You don't give a fuck about Americans, you would kill them so US companies can sell US Oil to the rest of the world...

Well you are a J6 traitor supporter, so killing Americans is part of you Modus Operandi...

People like you don't give a fuck how may Americans have to die or be injured for you to get your idealogical way...

 

[bripat9643]

Did the EPA suddenly make up the rules?

Do you think these rules have been in place for a while?

Are you about abandoning all Clean Air Act emissions?

Number of lives saved by U.S. Clean Air Act continues to grow: Opponents trying to repeal protections

The Clean Air Act saved 160,000 lives last year, and the number of lives saved annually is expected to top 230,000 by 2020, according to a report released by the Environmental Protection Agency in March.

www.thenationshealth.org

So it is estimated that the Clean Air Act saves 46 lives a day...

So the headline is that Biden refuses to kill 46 people a day for cheap diesel...
On other news, there is plenty of diesel on the global market if you want to fucking pay for it...

The fact is that Biden has ben doing what he can to limit oil and gas production. Whether the rules allowed it is beside the point.

What is estimated by ideologically driven cranks is pure horseshit. Those regulations probably kill far more people than that.

 

[surada]

The fact is that Biden has ben doing what he can to limit oil and gas production. Whether the rules allowed it is beside the point.

What is estimated by ideologically driven cranks is pure horseshit. Those regulations probably kill far more people than that.

Most US wells produce less than 50 barrels of oil a day so there are no economies of scale. They can't afford to do things right and we still have the highest lift costs in the world.

 

[bripat9643]

Number of lives saved by U.S. Clean Air Act continues to grow: Opponents trying to repeal protections

The Clean Air Act saved 160,000 lives last year, and the number of lives saved annually is expected to top 230,000 by 2020, according to a report released by the Environmental Protection Agency in March.

www.thenationshealth.org

You don't give a fuck about Americans, you would kill them so US companies can sell US Oil to the rest of the world...

Well you are a J6 traitor supporter, so killing Americans is part of you Modus Operandi...

People like you don't give a fuck how may Americans have to die or be injured for you to get your idealogical way...

You didn't name a single person. We're discussing specifically what Trump did, not the clean air act. And that self-serving estimate is a gross exaggeration. People die all the time because energy is too expensive.

 

[bripat9643]

Most US wells produce less than 50 barrels of oil a day so there are no economies of scale. They can't afford to do things right and we still have the highest lift costs in the world.

Your assumption that drilling is the only place where economies of scale could apply is the sign of a bonehead. Who says they aren't doing things right? What makes you believe the EPA determines the right way to do things? You're so full of bullshit ideas it's unbelievable.

 

[bripat9643]

Several Midwest refineries that were retrofitted for tarsands have been bypassed for profits in the Free Trade Zone. .. driving up gas prices in that region. Regulations re: excess pollution are essential no matter what Trump thought. We make a poor showing in production emissions compared to other countries.

What the fuck does ""retrofitted for profits" even mean? What "free trade zone?" We actually have the tightest emmission controls in the world.

You are a certified moron.