Beyond belief...........

[MaryL]

Toddler shoots two children with handgun in daycare centre

Two children are in serious but stable condition after allegedly being shot by another toddler at their home day care centre.

A toddler in Dearborn, Michigan “accessed a handgun” in a suburban home where several children were being cared for, police said. The weapon discharged, injuring two 3-year-olds who were present.

An outcome of a sick society.

If only the other toddlers had been armed, they could have defended themselves.

 

[gipper]

Pro gun anti stupid. what's wrong with gun locks, gun safes & gun education.

nothing

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Toddler shoots two children with handgun in daycare centre

Two children are in serious but stable condition after allegedly being shot by another toddler at their home day care centre.

A toddler in Dearborn, Michigan “accessed a handgun” in a suburban home where several children were being cared for, police said. The weapon discharged, injuring two 3-year-olds who were present.

An outcome of a sick society.

If only the other toddlers had been armed this might have been avoided.

What's really really sick and sad is that this is NOT beyond belief.

I don't have to read the thread to know the RWNJs all said the SSDD. But, just mention forcing idiots to make guns face to have around children and they will actually have the gall to stand on the bodies of dead babies to yammer about their "2nd amendment rights" to give guns to anybody who wants them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I told my husband that he wasn't allowed to have a gun unless it was in a safe; so he had a 45 in a safe in the bedroom for 17 years... Three boys were raised here, four if you count the one we had for the summers - the kids never even knew we had it.

There are some good examples of best practice on this thread. But as responsible as you are yourself you have no protection against the idiot across the way who does not take any precautions.

There is risk with freedom. I have no problem with law abiding people owning firearms it's a calculated risk I am glad to take.

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

 

[gipper]

I told my husband that he wasn't allowed to have a gun unless it was in a safe; so he had a 45 in a safe in the bedroom for 17 years... Three boys were raised here, four if you count the one we had for the summers - the kids never even knew we had it.

There are some good examples of best practice on this thread. But as responsible as you are yourself you have no protection against the idiot across the way who does not take any precautions.

There is risk with freedom. I have no problem with law abiding people owning firearms it's a calculated risk I am glad to take.

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Of course no one thinks it's okay.

The problem is there are accidents with kids that happen because kids are kids, and then there are accidents with kids that shouldn't have happened in the first place, and the only reason it did happen is because there are too many guns in society.

There are not too many guns,

There are too many irresponsible parents.

More kids drown in backyard pools every year but we don't have too many pools do we?

Fine, too many irresponsible people. Can you ban irresponsible people?

More people die from heart attacks, maybe we should ban hearts, hey? Great argument there.....

You can't seem to understand that everything you people blame on some inanimate object is caused by PEOPLE not the object.

Saying a gun causes an accident or a crime or a murder is just plain stupid.

In the big picture accidental deaths from guns is one of the least common fatal accidents but because there is a gun involved somehow this least common accidental cause of deaths overshadows everything.

Let's try this.

1) A small child with a gun, compared to a small child without a gun. Which is more likely to end up with someone being killed?

2) A lot of people out there are fucking stupid. You can't change this.

No, you can't change the fact that out of 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense, a handful are going to to stupid things......with 16.3 million people carrying guns there were 48 children accidentally killed with guns.....

16.3 million vs. 48

Car deaths.....with children...yet you are fixated on the one thing that is used to kill the smallest number of children.

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 2015...

<1.... Car 64, .....Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, ...Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, .....Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, .....Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, .....Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100

As usual, you say that ot enough kids are shot every year for you consider a fence around the pool or seat belts.

You could save yourself having to copy/paste the same shit every day. All you'd have to do is post how many hundreds of dead children YOU would consider to be too many

SSDD

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[Luddly Neddite]

Pro gun anti stupid. what's wrong with gun locks, gun safes & gun education.

Plenty.

If the gun makers allowed that, they would also have admit that their product kills little kids.

Can't have that.

.

 

[gipper]

There are some good examples of best practice on this thread. But as responsible as you are yourself you have no protection against the idiot across the way who does not take any precautions.

There is risk with freedom. I have no problem with law abiding people owning firearms it's a calculated risk I am glad to take.

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

As hom shit instead of actually addressing the issue.

Coward.

There seems to be some truth in the thinking that we humans naturally go from liberty to tyranny and back again over time. Round and round we go...never learning from history. The elites know this and gladly use it to their advantage.

 

[Unkotare]

There is risk with freedom. I have no problem with law abiding people owning firearms it's a calculated risk I am glad to take.

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

As hom shit instead of actually addressing the issue.

Coward.

There seems to be some truth in the thinking that we humans naturally go from liberty to tyranny and back again over time. Round and round we go...never learning from history. The elites know this and gladly use it to their advantage.

The mistake is in thinking most people are capable of telling the difference. Or caring.

 

[gipper]

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

As hom shit instead of actually addressing the issue.

Coward.

There seems to be some truth in the thinking that we humans naturally go from liberty to tyranny and back again over time. Round and round we go...never learning from history. The elites know this and gladly use it to their advantage.

The mistake is in thinking most people are capable of telling the difference. Or caring.

'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism'

 

[2aguy]

If they Left can't be hypocritical, they can't be anything. Their demand for gun control or confiscation is entirely hypocritical, as you have so effectively pointed out.

The gun issue is much like the Left's hypocrisy on so many issues today. Think Black Lives Matter and the NFL idiots protesting cops shooting blacks when on any given weekend in Chicago, more blacks are shot by other blacks than cops shooting blacks in an entire year.

It is amazing how easy the left elite can dupe some Americans over and over again.

Except cops are suppose to be above the level of thug life..

Once again you post stupidity but are so stupid, you don't know it. Of course bad cops exist, just like idiots (you) exist.

Is pushing division and hatred between races over a minor problem, more important than stopping a much larger problem?

Don't answer please...being an idiot, I know you don't know the answer.

35,000 Americans die of gunshot wounds every single year. Every other civilized country in the world has a lower rate of gun crime and death by guns but Americans cling to their handguns like drowning men to a life raft.

If you think guns are keeping you safe from tyranny, you're sadly mistaken. The government has so much firepower they could blow any armed militia to kingdom come in a heartbeat, should they do choose.

35,000 people a year die from guns. Another 45,000 died from lack of access to healthcare before the ACA. They are preventable deaths but right wingers won't even consider alternatives.

There really is no cure for stupid.

If you really think the government doesn't consider the fact that Americans are armed, you clearly are clueless.

Throughout all human history what do tyrannical regimes have in common? Answer..,they disarm their citizens. Learn from history and stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

Are you saying that the United States would cease to be a democracy is the citizens were to give up their arsenals?

The Germans gave up their guns in the 1920s....the socialists didn't start mass murdering innocent people until the 1940s....sometimes the socialists can take a while before they start murdering innocent people....

 

[2aguy]

Pro gun anti stupid. what's wrong with gun locks, gun safes & gun education.

Gun locks are fine, if they aren't mandated by government and backed up with penalties that strip people of their right to own guns.....in Britain, if you get caught with an unlocked safe, you lose your guns...forever.

Gun education.....we promote it all the time, the NRA has put 30 million kids through their Eddie Eagle guns safety program....the problem is the anti gunners don't want these gun safety programs. One wonders why when they use dead kids to push their anti gun agenda.

And another point.....gun safes are a good thing to have...if they aren't mandatory.....because when they become mandatory the government can then tell you what kind of safe you have to have, and they can then set the requirement so high that normal people can't afford it...and for sure the poor people who can barely afford the gun, will not be able to afford the extra expense of the gun safe.

and then, another point.....if you allow the government to mandate gun safes....then they can have a reason for home inspections.....

Besides...gun lock mandates are unconstitutional according to the 2nd Amendment as defined by the Heller decision.

 

[2aguy]

Toddler shoots two children with handgun in daycare centre

Two children are in serious but stable condition after allegedly being shot by another toddler at their home day care centre.

A toddler in Dearborn, Michigan “accessed a handgun” in a suburban home where several children were being cared for, police said. The weapon discharged, injuring two 3-year-olds who were present.

An outcome of a sick society.

If only the other toddlers had been armed this might have been avoided.

What's really really sick and sad is that this is NOT beyond belief.

I don't have to read the thread to know the RWNJs all said the SSDD. But, just mention forcing idiots to make guns face to have around children and they will actually have the gall to stand on the bodies of dead babies to yammer about their "2nd amendment rights" to give guns to anybody who wants them.

No, shit stain, the ones dragging the bodies of dead children in front of cameras are you guys, the ones who fight against gun safety education in schools...the kind that would actually keep kids safe and alive...the kind that would keep you from having those dead children to drag in front of cameras....the NRA has put 30 million kids through their Eddie Eagle gun safety education program...and assholes like you fight against that program.....

 

[2aguy]

I told my husband that he wasn't allowed to have a gun unless it was in a safe; so he had a 45 in a safe in the bedroom for 17 years... Three boys were raised here, four if you count the one we had for the summers - the kids never even knew we had it.

There are some good examples of best practice on this thread. But as responsible as you are yourself you have no protection against the idiot across the way who does not take any precautions.

There is risk with freedom. I have no problem with law abiding people owning firearms it's a calculated risk I am glad to take.

When something like this happens, those that hate freedom want to blame the item and not the lack of parental guidance needed if you choose to own guns.

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

No, moron...we do want to do something about it...more gun safety education. You guys don't want that.

Again....

600,000,000 guns..... 48 accidental gun deaths of children....

Americans use those guns to stop 1,500,000 violent crimes a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama....

1,500,000 rapes, robberies, murders stopped vs. 48 accidental child deaths by gun ....vs. 3,694 kid, car deaths

Then you have this....more kids die from cars than by guns.....and yet you only care about the gun deaths...so it isn't the deaths you care about, it is the guns....the item that accidentally kills fewer kids........which shows you have an irrational fear of guns...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 2015...

<1.... Car 64, .....Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, ...Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, .....Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, .....Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, .....Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100

 

[2aguy]

There are not too many guns,

There are too many irresponsible parents.

More kids drown in backyard pools every year but we don't have too many pools do we?

Fine, too many irresponsible people. Can you ban irresponsible people?

More people die from heart attacks, maybe we should ban hearts, hey? Great argument there.....

You can't seem to understand that everything you people blame on some inanimate object is caused by PEOPLE not the object.

Saying a gun causes an accident or a crime or a murder is just plain stupid.

In the big picture accidental deaths from guns is one of the least common fatal accidents but because there is a gun involved somehow this least common accidental cause of deaths overshadows everything.

Let's try this.

1) A small child with a gun, compared to a small child without a gun. Which is more likely to end up with someone being killed?

2) A lot of people out there are fucking stupid. You can't change this.

No, you can't change the fact that out of 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense, a handful are going to to stupid things......with 16.3 million people carrying guns there were 48 children accidentally killed with guns.....

16.3 million vs. 48

Car deaths.....with children...yet you are fixated on the one thing that is used to kill the smallest number of children.

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 2015...

<1.... Car 64, .....Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, ...Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, .....Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, .....Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, .....Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100

As usual, you say that ot enough kids are shot every year for you consider a fence around the pool or seat belts.

You could save yourself having to copy/paste the same shit every day. All you'd have to do is post how many hundreds of dead children YOU would consider to be too many

SSDD

Same
Spam/Scam
Different
Day

It is odd, moron....that 48 children died from gun accidents in 2015...and you want to ban guns.

While 636 died from drowning....and assholes like you aren't pushing to ban pools....



WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports


2015:
Drowning:
<1..........30
1-4.........390
5-9.........129
10-14.....87

Total drowning: 636

 

[2aguy]

Pro gun anti stupid. what's wrong with gun locks, gun safes & gun education.

Plenty.

If the gun makers allowed that, they would also have admit that their product kills little kids.

Can't have that.

.

Their product saves little kids too. Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals....and save lives.

1,500,000 rapes, robberies and murders stopped with legal guns vs. 48 children killed in gun accidents.

While 3,694 died in car accidents......

And with over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense....and out of 74.2 million children, 48 were accidentally killed with guns.

The facts, the truth and the reality do not support your irrational fear of guns.

 

[2aguy]

Pro gun anti stupid. what's wrong with gun locks, gun safes & gun education.

Plenty.

If the gun makers allowed that, they would also have admit that their product kills little kids.

Can't have that.

.

And pool makers would have to admit their product kills 636 children ...

Car makers would have to admit that with all of their safety features, their product kills 3,694 children....

Ban pools and cars, you will save more children....funny that that doesn't seem to make you care.

 

[Dragonlady]

Nope.

Why can't you nutters get it through your heads that guns do not kill people. People kill people.

But, fact is, people are stupid. They are SO stupid that little toddlers are more likely to shoot someone than a foreign terrorist is.

What do the gun nuts want to DO about that? Nothing.

What should be done about it?

Make the cars and swimming pools safer for children.

Oops, I mean guns.

GET IT??

People were forced to fence in pools and manufacturers were forced to put seat belts into cars. Why can't similar be done to guns?

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

As hom shit instead of actually addressing the issue.

Coward.

There seems to be some truth in the thinking that we humans naturally go from liberty to tyranny and back again over time. Round and round we go...never learning from history. The elites know this and gladly use it to their advantage.

The mistake is in thinking most people are capable of telling the difference. Or caring.

'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism'

Fascism is already in America. It came as "freedom of speech", it came as Donald J. Trump. And the dimwits embraced him.

 

[2aguy]

If only our educational system taught the meaning of the 2A, along with the entire Bill of Rights, we wouldn't have so many ignorant citizens. I suppose ignorant citizens are more likely to give up their liberty and allow a small elite group of criminals control of the nation. Big unlimited government survives when the people are dumb.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

As hom shit instead of actually addressing the issue.

Coward.

There seems to be some truth in the thinking that we humans naturally go from liberty to tyranny and back again over time. Round and round we go...never learning from history. The elites know this and gladly use it to their advantage.

The mistake is in thinking most people are capable of telling the difference. Or caring.

'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism'

Fascism is already in America. It came as "freedom of speech", it came as Donald J. Trump. And the dimwits embraced him.

Yes.....Freedom of Speech is fascism....Peace is War, War is Peace.....you have been an excellent student of Big Brother....

 

[Moonglow]

Except cops are suppose to be above the level of thug life..

Once again you post stupidity but are so stupid, you don't know it. Of course bad cops exist, just like idiots (you) exist.

Is pushing division and hatred between races over a minor problem, more important than stopping a much larger problem?

Don't answer please...being an idiot, I know you don't know the answer.

35,000 Americans die of gunshot wounds every single year. Every other civilized country in the world has a lower rate of gun crime and death by guns but Americans cling to their handguns like drowning men to a life raft.

If you think guns are keeping you safe from tyranny, you're sadly mistaken. The government has so much firepower they could blow any armed militia to kingdom come in a heartbeat, should they do choose.

35,000 people a year die from guns. Another 45,000 died from lack of access to healthcare before the ACA. They are preventable deaths but right wingers won't even consider alternatives.

There really is no cure for stupid.

If you really think the government doesn't consider the fact that Americans are armed, you clearly are clueless.

Throughout all human history what do tyrannical regimes have in common? Answer..,they disarm their citizens. Learn from history and stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

Are you saying that the United States would cease to be a democracy is the citizens were to give up their arsenals?

The Germans gave up their guns in the 1920s....the socialists didn't start mass murdering innocent people until the 1940s....sometimes the socialists can take a while before they start murdering innocent people....

And when did Hitler and the Nazi's come to power?