BEST argument I've ever heard from a left winger!

[DontBeStupid]

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

All of it is impossible.

The government hire EVERY unemployed American? 35 million people?

The government print enough money to pay them all 25-30K a year?

Neither are possible. Well, in liberal lala-land, I suppose it's technically possible. But WTF?

The only part I think your friend got wrong was using 0% as a target. No economist worth his salt would aim for that. The typical norm is 4%-6%. That's healthy. Lets take 6% as a target.

Math alert

9.1% - 6% = 3.1%
3.1% of 150M = 4.65M
4.65M * $30K per year = $139.5B

Now, add in benefits and you're talking more like $167B as a total cost per year. But, those people would no longer be drawing unemployment, so we would save

4.65M * $300 per week * 26 weeks = $36.27B

Total cost is then only $130.7B. Plus, if we wanted, we could make them pay taxes on it, like, you know, good tax-paying workers do. That would mean increased revenue of

15% * $130.7B = $19.6B

So, the real total cost would be $111.1B.

Not counting materials of course, but that number doesn't seem impossible. Does it?

 

[Cuyo]

Bucs, be honest kiddo... Did you make this whole thing up?

 

[Conservative]

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

All of it is impossible.

The government hire EVERY unemployed American? 35 million people?

The government print enough money to pay them all 25-30K a year?

Neither are possible. Well, in liberal lala-land, I suppose it's technically possible. But WTF?

The only part I think your friend got wrong was using 0% as a target. No economist worth his salt would aim for that. The typical norm is 4%-6%. That's healthy. Lets take 6% as a target.

Math alert

9.1% - 6% = 3.1%
3.1% of 150M = 4.65M
4.65M * $30K per year = $139.5B

Now, add in benefits and you're talking more like $167B as a total cost per year. But, those people would no longer be drawing unemployment, so we would save

4.65M * $300 per week * 26 weeks = $36.27B

Total cost is then only $130.7B. Plus, if we wanted, we could make them pay taxes on it, like, you know, good tax-paying workers do. That would mean increased revenue of

15% * $130.7B = $19.6B

So, the real total cost would be $111.1B.

Not counting materials of course, but that number doesn't seem impossible. Does it?

you really are astoundingly stupid, aren't you.

 

[WillowTree]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

I especially like it when they tell us that every dollar spent on welfare gives a return of $1.84 in revenue.. That's brilliant.. All 350 million of us should be on welfare. just think how rich we'd be then! don'chyaknow?

 

[toxicmedia]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Your friend is uncharacteristically stupid...that's all.

Birds of a feather....but in reality....I think you just made this up and don't have any liberal friends.

 

[DontBeStupid]

you really are astoundingly stupid, aren't you.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

You idiot.

Now you gave them all an idea.

All they need is a catchy name like "Jobfare" or "Welfare".

How can it go wrong with the word "fare" in it?

 

[Bfgrn]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

What year did the WPA "lift America out of the Depression"?

I said it HELPED lift America out of the Depression. But most importantly it helped Americans feed their families, keep their homes and keep their self respect.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

Holy shit!!

Please tell me you're fucking kidding.

 

[Conservative]

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

Holy shit!!

Please tell me you're fucking kidding.

Like I said... astoundingly stupid.

 

[Bfgrn]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

way to miss the point.

You simply cannot just print money and give everyone a job paid for with that money... the money is worthless because there is nothing to back it up... so prices skyrocket... putting everyone right back where they were to begin with.

No, but the government can put people to work through programs like the WPA. We bailed out the banks who destroyed our economy and caused the job crisis we're in. At least WORK programs create and build things that benefit everyone.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

Holy shit!!

Please tell me you're fucking kidding.

Like I said... astoundingly stupid.

How many liberals think money can be printed w/o end and have it still buy the same amount of food?

That's a new level of stewpud.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

Holy shit!!

Please tell me you're fucking kidding.

Nope. Not at all. I want to hear which part you all think is impossible.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

way to miss the point.

You simply cannot just print money and give everyone a job paid for with that money... the money is worthless because there is nothing to back it up... so prices skyrocket... putting everyone right back where they were to begin with.

No, but the government can put people to work through programs like the WPA. We bailed out the banks who destroyed our economy and caused the job crisis we're in. At least WORK programs create and build things that benefit everyone.

We tried this. Remeber?

"I guess shovel ready wasn't as shovel ready as we thought, hahaha".


Besides, how do you plan on forcing those on welfare to work?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Fascinating concept....How these people get their ideas.
You should have asked your friend what he thought would occur regarding the economic stability of the country should the federal government follow through on his idea. Then ask him a simple supply and demand question. What he thinks will happen to the value of the US Dollar when the government prints new currency?
Please get back with the answers to those questions.
I would like to read your friend's response.

 

[Conservative]

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

way to miss the point.

You simply cannot just print money and give everyone a job paid for with that money... the money is worthless because there is nothing to back it up... so prices skyrocket... putting everyone right back where they were to begin with.

No, but the government can put people to work through programs like the WPA. We bailed out the banks who destroyed our economy and caused the job crisis we're in. At least WORK programs create and build things that benefit everyone.

apples and oranges.

'apples' is talking about simple printing more money, and using said newly printed money to pay the salary of everyone currently out of work, once the government gives them a job. With nothing to back that newly printed money up, it is worthless and hyper inflation will be th result, totally negating any possible positive result.

'oranges' is talking about a WPA type program that provides some jobs for some segment of the population, and is paid for in some fashion.

 

[Conservative]

Ok. So a friend of mine is a bit of a leftie. And we all met today to do our NFL fantasy football roundup. And of course, after that and pizza, politics came up. And he is a staunch Obama supporter. He said of course the Tea Party was evil, blamed Bush for the mess we're in, then offered one whopper of an idea. Wanna hear it?

He said if only the right wing would get out of the way, Obama could fix the country and have 0% unemployment. Thats right. ZERO % unemployment. How, I asked? He says....

"The government can do two things: Hire people, and print money. There is so much that needs to be done, the government can just hire everyone who is unemployed, give them a role, and print the money to pay them. There would be no unemployment and no poverty. Of course, the Tea Party would vote to block it because for some reason they like people struggling."



How could I not have thought of that myself??????????

Of course. Just hire everyone, and print the money to pay them. No more poverty, no more unemployment!!!!!!

Left wingers, you are so brilliant

Fascinating concept....How these people get their ideas.
You should have asked your friend what he thought would occur regarding the economic stability of the country should the federal government follow through on his idea. Then ask him a simple supply and demand question. What he thinks will happen to the value of the US Dollar when the government prints new currency?
Please get back with the answers to those questions.
I would like to read your friend's response.

I'm guessing he'll say 'it's worth a dollar'.

 

[thereisnospoon]

:

So did you just let him go on believing that??

Well....sort of. I tried to explain inflation to him. And he said "But we keep producing stuff people want. So if we print a lot more money, but hire more people, we'll be making more money but also more stuff, and more people will have money so it'll balance out."


Brilliant. Just hire everyone through the government, then print the money to pay them. 0% unemployment.

God I love left wingers.

I hope you tried to explain to your highly intelligent compadre that government produces nothing.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Just out of curiosity, which part are you claiming is impossible for us to do? Or, are you trying to say this plan is possible, you just don't like it?

Holy shit!!

Please tell me you're fucking kidding.

Nope. Not at all. I want to hear which part you all think is impossible.

wow
ok

How do you plan on forcing people off welfare? You can't make people work.
How do you plan on providing jobs everyone can do? Not everyone can shovel, not everyone can work in an office setting.
How do you plan on handling the VAST inflation as the dollar falls?
Who are you going to tax the fuck out of to pay for this?


seriously, you have to be dumb on an epic level to think this might work.

 

[flacaltenn]

Ever hear of the New Deal and work programs like the WPA? It helped lift America out of the depression.

But more importantly, it gave the unemployed a job to feed their families.

You right wingers always forget about families, and human beings. During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

The government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

What year did the WPA "lift America out of the Depression"?

I said it HELPED lift America out of the Depression. But most importantly it helped Americans feed their families, keep their homes and keep their self respect.

Yup -- it was a magical experience being 1500 miles from home on a High Sierra pass in the wintertime. Huddling over a fire in a 55 gallon drum to earn enough money to just about make it back home to Chicago.. That is if tomorrow's avalanche doesn't take you out while you're building that train shelter -- 8000ft up with no safety gear..

Try that shit today and it would take $200K/year/job MINIMUM to employ enough OSHA monitors, EEOC lawyers, and NLRB ombudsman to monitor each "worker".