Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Reagan banned automatic weapons in 1986. Which group was he planning to exterminate once he became dictator?


Another liberal Jew hater chimes in, and actually believes he makes sense with that comment ..The leftist mind "what a terrible thing to waste" such as it is:slap:

Do you deny it? The only guns currently banned in the US are post 1986 machine guns, and Reagan signed that law.
You compare the banning of the civilian use of fully automatic weapons, to forcibly confiscating all guns? You're a moron :slap:
 
Reagan banned automatic weapons in 1986. Which group was he planning to exterminate once he became dictator?


Another liberal Jew hater chimes in, and actually believes he makes sense with that comment ..The leftist mind "what a terrible thing to waste" such as it is:slap:

Do you deny it? The only guns currently banned in the US are post 1986 machine guns, and Reagan signed that law.
You compare the banning of the civilian use of fully automatic weapons, to forcibly confiscating all guns? You're a moron :slap:


he IS a moron
 
did the NAZIs not take away guns from the people leftard??

do Democrats not want to take guns away leftard?

yes or no questions; be honest with YOURSELF here ok??

Actually Hitler deregulated gun control which was previously more strict before he came into office. With the exception of Jews owning guns which isn't really a gun control issue.
 
did the NAZIs not take away guns from the people leftard??

do Democrats not want to take guns away leftard?

yes or no questions; be honest with YOURSELF here ok??

Actually Hitler deregulated gun control which was previously more strict before he came into office. With the exception of Jews owning guns which isn't really a gun control issue.


you're admitting Jews couldn't have guns, and that might have helped them defend themselves if they had them

thanks for playing!!! ;)
 
you morons DO realize your false narrative attacks on Republicans are backfiring???
 
The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.


I do not care about Carson, but some of the historical information he gets wrong is a sign he is making it up.
 
did the NAZIs not take away guns from the people leftard??

do Democrats not want to take guns away leftard?

yes or no questions; be honest with YOURSELF here ok??

Actually Hitler deregulated gun control which was previously more strict before he came into office. With the exception of Jews owning guns which isn't really a gun control issue.


you're admitting Jews couldn't have guns, and that might have helped them defend themselves if they had them

thanks for playing!!! ;)

Jews had guns--that is what the article said.
 
did the NAZIs not take away guns from the people leftard??

do Democrats not want to take guns away leftard?

yes or no questions; be honest with YOURSELF here ok??

Actually Hitler deregulated gun control which was previously more strict before he came into office. With the exception of Jews owning guns which isn't really a gun control issue.


you're admitting Jews couldn't have guns, and that might have helped them defend themselves if they had them

thanks for playing!!! ;)

I'm admitting?

I'm stating. Jews were not allowed to have guns and that is a racist law, nobody here is stating that gun control is a great idea if "those people" aren't allowed to have them. That my friend is a strawman.

Now, NYcarbineer already stated that the Jewish population wasn't large enough to overtake the German government so the point is moot on multiple fronts.
 
Reagan banned automatic weapons in 1986. Which group was he planning to exterminate once he became dictator?


Another liberal Jew hater chimes in, and actually believes he makes sense with that comment ..The leftist mind "what a terrible thing to waste" such as it is:slap:

Do you deny it? The only guns currently banned in the US are post 1986 machine guns, and Reagan signed that law.
You compare the banning of the civilian use of fully automatic weapons, to forcibly confiscating all guns? You're a moron :slap:

So you support gun bans when Republicans do them, eh?

How predictable.
 
The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.


He is right. German gun control began after World War 1....so by the time the nazis came to power they had all the files they needed to get any remaining guns from whoever owned them...and not many people owned them because.....they trusted the police and military to protect them.

Had millions of germans had guns then the nazis wouldn't have been able to terrorize the early opposition to their coming to power...they cowed the German people because they violently attacked anyone who spoke out against their activities.....

No one was able to prevent the nazis from beating up people, destroying businesses and that led to people just putting their heads down and not opposing them....

Unarmed people are murdered by their governments all over the world......

To deny that is stupidity....
 
The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Dunno about 'offensive,' but certainly historically inaccurate and grossly simplistic befitting the mind they come from.

Most people adored Hitler. Of those that didn't enough to actively oppose him, the availability of guns was not such that if they'd a mind to try and take a shot at him they woulda. Were guns all over the place. Just as there now despite laws making them illegal.
 
If you want to know the real story on German gun control...and how the people gave up their guns in the 20s because they trusted the government to protect them....read this book...it documents the implementation of gun laws and how they were ignored by the early nazis..and then used to keep the people from being able to defend themselves from the early nazi thugs who beat and murdered anyone who spoke up against them...they destroyed businesses and intimidated the unarmed population......

Had Germans had guns for self defense...the nazis would not have been able to target individuals and their families and businesses as easily s they did....when you have a group of violent thugs beating you and no way to stop them...it sends a message to all the other people around you...don't resist, don't oppose...go along and everything will be okay....

And we know what happened.


Switzerland avoided invasion by the nazis because they had over 400,000 armed civilians...the other countries in Europe, once their military was beaten they were helpless in the face of nazi occupation...

And keep in mind....we are now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan after poorly armed killers held us off with small arms and improvised bombs..........

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Control-Third-Reich-Disarming/dp/1598131621&tag=ff0d01-20

Based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time, Gun Control in the Third Reich presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power. The countless books on the Third Reich and the Holocaust fail even to mention the laws restricting firearms ownership, which rendered political opponents and Jews defenseless. A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference, but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so—it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups.

Gun Control in the Third Reich spans the two decades from the birth of the Weimar Republic in 1918 through Kristallnacht in 1938. The book then presents a panorama of pertinent events during World War II regarding the effects of the disarming policies. And even though in the occupied countries the Nazis decreed the death penalty for possession of a firearm, there developed instances of heroic armed resistance by Jews, particularly the Warsaw ghetto uprising.
 
The Anti-Defamation League says these sorts of comments are "historically inaccurate and offensive."

Ben Carson, a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, blamed the Holocaust on Nazi gun control in an interview on CNN Thursday.

Host Wolf Blitzer read a section from Carson's book, A More Perfect Union, in which Carson writes:

German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler's regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior ... Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.​

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson elaborated in the interview. "There's a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The Anti-Defamation League, which monitors and responds to anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, has long opposed the use of Nazi comparisons in the U.S. gun control debate. "The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, the ADL's national director at the time, said in 2013.

Conservatives have a history of comparing gun control advocates to Hitler and the Nazis. The ADL's 2013 comments were provoked by The Drudge Report's choice to use an image of Hitler to illustrate news that President Barack Obama was pursuing limited gun control measures after 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were murdered by a gunman.

Many historians disagree with the idea that armed German Jews could have prevented the Holocaust. And as Alex Seitz-Wald, a journalist then writing for Salon, explained in 2013, the full story of Nazi gun regulation is more complicated than Carson and his ilk might like:

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them....

[Hitler's] "1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.​

The 1938 law did ban Jews from owning guns. But as the ADL explained in 2013, "the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state," which eventually conquered most of Europe.

There was some armed Jewish resistance to the power of the Nazi war machine. But it often ended in death for the Jews involved.

In January 1943, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto rose up against the Nazis. Some 13,000 Jews died in the uprising. (They killed around 20 Nazis.) The rest were deported to concentration and extermination camps, where most were murdered.

My grandfather and grandmother had escaped from the ghetto before the uprising and gone into hiding in the countryside. They survived.

More: Ben Carson Blames Holocaust On Gun Control

Ben Carson should learn some factual history.

Dunno about 'offensive,' but certainly historically inaccurate and grossly simplistic befitting the mind they come from.

Most people adored Hitler. Of those that didn't enough to actively oppose him, the availability of guns was not such that if they'd a mind to try and take a shot at him they woulda. Were guns all over the place. Just as there now despite laws making them illegal.


As the nazis were growing they brutally beat any moderate members of other political parties...and intimidated them and the other peope from opposing them........guns in the hands of those people may have made a difference.....

not to mention when the nazis actively started murdering 12 million people....
 
If you want to know the real story on German gun control...and how the people gave up their guns in the 20s because they trusted the government to protect them....read this book...it documents the implementation of gun laws and how they were ignored by the early nazis..and then used to keep the people from being able to defend themselves from the early nazi thugs who beat and murdered anyone who spoke up against them...they destroyed businesses and intimidated the unarmed population......

Had Germans had guns for self defense...the nazis would not have been able to target individuals and their families and businesses as easily s they did....when you have a group of violent thugs beating you and no way to stop them...it sends a message to all the other people around you...don't resist, don't oppose...go along and everything will be okay....

And we know what happened.


Switzerland avoided invasion by the nazis because they had over 400,000 armed civilians...the other countries in Europe, once their military was beaten they were helpless in the face of nazi occupation...

And keep in mind....we are now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan after poorly armed killers held us off with small arms and improvised bombs..........

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Control-Third-Reich-Disarming/dp/1598131621&tag=ff0d01-20

Based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time, Gun Control in the Third Reich presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power. The countless books on the Third Reich and the Holocaust fail even to mention the laws restricting firearms ownership, which rendered political opponents and Jews defenseless. A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference, but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so—it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups.

Gun Control in the Third Reich spans the two decades from the birth of the Weimar Republic in 1918 through Kristallnacht in 1938. The book then presents a panorama of pertinent events during World War II regarding the effects of the disarming policies. And even though in the occupied countries the Nazis decreed the death penalty for possession of a firearm, there developed instances of heroic armed resistance by Jews, particularly the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

So France's huge military is what kept the Nazis from invading in 1940?

errr...wait a minute...
 
The guy is quite slow and probably is this way because he took tons of drugs in his youth. How sad.

Crazy fucker.

I agree! And I can't get over how ugly his wife is. Damn, she is ugly.

candy_3398479b.jpg

Trumps wife is much better looking

Let's see where Republican family values lie
 
If you want to know the real story on German gun control...and how the people gave up their guns in the 20s because they trusted the government to protect them....read this book...it documents the implementation of gun laws and how they were ignored by the early nazis..and then used to keep the people from being able to defend themselves from the early nazi thugs who beat and murdered anyone who spoke up against them...they destroyed businesses and intimidated the unarmed population......

Had Germans had guns for self defense...the nazis would not have been able to target individuals and their families and businesses as easily s they did....when you have a group of violent thugs beating you and no way to stop them...it sends a message to all the other people around you...don't resist, don't oppose...go along and everything will be okay....

And we know what happened.


Switzerland avoided invasion by the nazis because they had over 400,000 armed civilians...the other countries in Europe, once their military was beaten they were helpless in the face of nazi occupation...

And keep in mind....we are now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan after poorly armed killers held us off with small arms and improvised bombs..........

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Control-Third-Reich-Disarming/dp/1598131621&tag=ff0d01-20

Based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time, Gun Control in the Third Reich presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power. The countless books on the Third Reich and the Holocaust fail even to mention the laws restricting firearms ownership, which rendered political opponents and Jews defenseless. A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference, but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so—it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups.

Gun Control in the Third Reich spans the two decades from the birth of the Weimar Republic in 1918 through Kristallnacht in 1938. The book then presents a panorama of pertinent events during World War II regarding the effects of the disarming policies. And even though in the occupied countries the Nazis decreed the death penalty for possession of a firearm, there developed instances of heroic armed resistance by Jews, particularly the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

So France's huge military is what kept the Nazis from invading in 1940?

errr...wait a minute...


And Switzerlands tiny military kept them at bay...or was it the 400,000 private citizens under arms....while France and the rest of Europe were completely unarmed once their militaries fell to Germany....

These are all the countries occupied by Germany.....notice the exception...Switzerland....

German-occupied Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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