Because of Obamacare's Small Business Requirements I Can NOT KEEP MY DOCTOR!

[Article 15]

I dislike monopolies, It is always bad for consumers. (i may have said that already)

Single payer is a bad idea.

You are going to have to deal with the possibility that your employer will change your provider and/or your doctor, Obamacare or not, without it.

Here's a thought: How about we all cross that bridge IF we come to it...

According to him, he wouldn't have had to switch anything if it weren't for 0bamacare...

The "You'll get to keep your doctor" was only just political bullshit, obviously...

My employer switched my provider both before and after Obamacare. It happens.

It seems to me the OP's gripe is twofold....he's angry that what Obama promised him in a plan he never supported to begin turned out to be bunk and he's angry he has to switch doctors.

While I agree that it's all political bullshit, the possibility existed and that bridge was crossed by Americans every day before Obamacare.

So if that is a pain point for the OP and/or anyone else I'd like to hear their plan that would allow them to keep the same provider and doctor no matter what.

 

[Dr.House]

You are going to have to deal with the possibility that your employer will change your provider and/or your doctor, Obamacare or not, without it.

Here's a thought: How about we all cross that bridge IF we come to it...

According to him, he wouldn't have had to switch anything if it weren't for 0bamacare...

The "You'll get to keep your doctor" was only just political bullshit, obviously...

My employer switched my provider both before and after Obamacare. It happens.

Sure it happens... In his case, it wasn't happening...

It seems to me the OP's gripe is twofold....he's angry that what Obama promised him in a plan he never supported to begin turned out to be bunk and he's angry he has to switch doctors.

legitimate gripes, IMHO...

While I agree that it's all political bullshit, the possibility existed and that bridge was crossed by Americans every day before Obamacare.

Everyones case is unique... Some docs are part of multiple popular plans... To claim that "You'll be able to keep your doctor" was a rather stupid statement by 0bama...

So if that is a pain point for the OP and/or anyone else I'd like to hear their plan that would allow them to keep the same provider and doctor no matter what.

Strawman...

 

[Article 15]

Here's a thought: How about we all cross that bridge IF we come to it...

According to him, he wouldn't have had to switch anything if it weren't for 0bamacare...

The "You'll get to keep your doctor" was only just political bullshit, obviously...

My employer switched my provider both before and after Obamacare. It happens.

Sure it happens... In his case, it wasn't happening...


legitimate gripes, IMHO...

While I agree that it's all political bullshit, the possibility existed and that bridge was crossed by Americans every day before Obamacare.

Everyones case is unique... Some docs are part of multiple popular plans... To claim that "You'll be able to keep your doctor" was a rather stupid statement by 0bama...

So if that is a pain point for the OP and/or anyone else I'd like to hear their plan that would allow them to keep the same provider and doctor no matter what.

Strawman...

It's not a strawman at all, I purposely predicated the statement with "so if". We agree that with or without Obamacare the possibility of that happening exists. If you do not want that to be the case then I'm all ears. If you are fine with that possibility being present, say so or don't answer.

 

[Dr.House]

If either case we end up with the "possibility", then NOT spending 1.76 Trillion on 0bamacare is my plan...

 

[Article 15]

If either case we end up with the "possibility", then NOT spending 1.76 Trillion on 0bamacare is my plan...

Over ten years....

But your plan doesn't address the issue. Do you not have a problem with the "possibility" existing?

 

[Sarah G]

You are going to have to deal with the possibility that your employer will change your provider and/or your doctor, Obamacare or not, without it.

Here's a thought: How about we all cross that bridge IF we come to it...

According to him, he wouldn't have had to switch anything if it weren't for 0bamacare...

The "You'll get to keep your doctor" was only just political bullshit, obviously...

My employer switched my provider both before and after Obamacare. It happens.

It seems to me the OP's gripe is twofold....he's angry that what Obama promised him in a plan he never supported to begin turned out to be bunk and he's angry he has to switch doctors.

While I agree that it's all political bullshit, the possibility existed and that bridge was crossed by Americans every day before Obamacare.

So if that is a pain point for the OP and/or anyone else I'd like to hear their plan that would allow them to keep the same provider and doctor no matter what.

My very large corporation switches providers all the time. They ask us nothing before they do it.

PP gripes about insurance often.

If your doc wants to keep you as a patient, he should rethink it.

 

[Dr.House]

If either case we end up with the "possibility", then NOT spending 1.76 Trillion on 0bamacare is my plan...

Over ten years....

But your plan doesn't address the issue. Do you not have a problem with the "possibility" existing?

Perhaps the designers of 0bamacare should have thought that out before passing it....

Doesn't make sense to make a claim that you know ahead of time you absolutely can not deliver on...

 

[Article 15]

If either case we end up with the "possibility", then NOT spending 1.76 Trillion on 0bamacare is my plan...

Over ten years....

But your plan doesn't address the issue. Do you not have a problem with the "possibility" existing?

Perhaps the designers of 0bamacare should have thought that out before passing it....

Doesn't make sense to make a claim that you know ahead of time you absolutely can not deliver on...

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[Dr.House]

Over ten years....

But your plan doesn't address the issue. Do you not have a problem with the "possibility" existing?

Perhaps the designers of 0bamacare should have thought that out before passing it....

Doesn't make sense to make a claim that you know ahead of time you absolutely can not deliver on...

That doesn't answer my question.

Slippery slope - I'm not biting....

 

[chikenwing]

We need simple single payor insurance.

If we all had the same ins doctors would have to accept the insurance.

You will be assimilated,do not resist the Borg!


Bad idea

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

You'd never survive... You'd be looking for handouts and crying nightly in the gutter...

Why would I be looking for handouts?

Do you really have to ask?

Obviously, yes.

Please tell me why I need handouts.

Thanks.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If either case we end up with the "possibility", then NOT spending 1.76 Trillion on 0bamacare is my plan...

Over ten years....

But your plan doesn't address the issue. Do you not have a problem with the "possibility" existing?

Perhaps the designers of 0bamacare should have thought that out before passing it....

Doesn't make sense to make a claim that you know ahead of time you absolutely can not deliver on...

Obamacare did not pass.

 

[chanel]

We need simple single payor insurance.

If we all had the same ins doctors would have to accept the insurance.

Did you take that position three years ago?

I clearly remember Republicans predicting that Obamacare was the first step to socialized medicine, and the majority of Dems screaming "Spin! Misinformation! Lies!"

Single payer has always been the goal. The president stated so long before he was elected. Who lied?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

We need simple single payor insurance.

If we all had the same ins doctors would have to accept the insurance.

Did you take that position three years ago?

I clearly remember Republicans predicting that Obamacare was the first step to socialized medicine, and the majority of Dems screaming "Spin! Misinformation! Lies!"

Single payer has always been the goal. The president stated so long before he was elected. Who lied?

Obama is on video saying as much several times, its not a surprise to me.

Still, single payer is also known as one company monopoly and that is illegal under our anti-trust laws.....not to mention monopolies are always bad for consumers (hence our anti-trust laws origins )

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

You lied to me Obama, you just flat out lied.

Because of Obamacare my employer has to put us into a different insurance situation in order to be in compliance with the law and cover everyone, even those WHO DON'T WANT TO BUY IT (yeah 2 of my co workers are pissed off, they don't want health insurance because they are young and dumb enough to think they can't get sick).

So the new insurance is not accepted by my doctor and I can no longer keep my plan, I have to switch.....Obama what did you promise me?

Obama You can keep your doctor - YouTube

LIE

President Obama says If you like your Doctor You can Keep Your Doctor - YouTube

MORE LIES

BY the way this kicked in this week for everyone. So to all you naysayers out there saying I was full of it before kiss my ass. My boss was good enough to give me the time to look well before this went into effect this week!

You will see many news reports of employers taking their employees off their insurance and giving them the money instead to buy it on their own as a result of the President's health care bill, aka Obamacare, in the coming weeks.

 

[edthecynic]

You lied to me Obama, you just flat out lied.

Because of Obamacare my employer has to put us into a different insurance situation in order to be in compliance with the law and cover everyone, even those WHO DON'T WANT TO BUY IT (yeah 2 of my co workers are pissed off, they don't want health insurance because they are young and dumb enough to think they can't get sick).

So the new insurance is not accepted by my doctor and I can no longer keep my plan, I have to switch.....Obama what did you promise me?

Obama You can keep your doctor - YouTube

LIE

President Obama says If you like your Doctor You can Keep Your Doctor - YouTube

MORE LIES

BY the way this kicked in this week for everyone. So to all you naysayers out there saying I was full of it before kiss my ass. My boss was good enough to give me the time to look well before this went into effect this week!

You will see many news reports of employers taking their employees off their insurance and giving them the money instead to buy it on their own as a result of the President's health care bill, aka Obamacare, in the coming weeks.

Either you are still full of shit or your shitty boss is a liar. There is nothing in the law that requires your boss to change insurance providers. Either he is lying to you or you are lying to us. I challenge you or your boss to cite the law exactly.

Fact Sheet: Keeping the Health Plan You Have: The Affordable Care Act and ?Grandfathered? Health Plans

During the health reform debate, President Obama made clear to Americans that “if you like your health plan, you can keep it.” He emphasized that there is nothing in the new law that would force them to change plans or doctors. Today, the Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury issued a new regulation for health coverage in place on March 23, 2010 that makes good on that promise by:

Protecting the ability of individuals and businesses to keep their current plan;
Providing important consumer protections that give Americans – rather than insurance companies – control over their own health care.
Providing stability and flexibility to insurers and businesses that offer insurance coverage as the nation transitions to a more competitive marketplace in 2014 where businesses and consumers will have more affordable choices through Exchanges.
The rule announced today preserves the ability of the American people to keep their current plan if they like it, while providing new benefits, by minimizing market disruption and putting us on a glide path toward the competitive, patient-centered market of the future. While it requires all health plans to provide important new benefits to consumers, it allows plans that existed on March 23, 2010 to innovate and contain costs by allowing insurers and employers to make routine changes without losing grandfather status. Plans will lose their “grandfather” status if they choose to significantly cut benefits or increase out-of-pocket spending for consumers – and consumers in plans that make such changes will gain new consumer protections.

Most of the 133 million Americans with employer-sponsored health insurance through large employers will maintain the coverage they have today. Large employer-based plans already offer most of the comprehensive benefits and consumer protections that the Affordable Care Act will provide to all Americans this year – such as preventing lifetime limits on coverage – and in the future.

People who work in smaller firms – which change insurers more often due to annual fluctuations in premiums – and people who purchase their own insurance in the individual market– a group that frequently changes coverage – will enjoy all of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act when they choose a new plan. These Americans also will benefit from the new competitive Exchanges that will be established in 2014 to offer individuals and workers in small businesses with greater choice of plans at more affordable rates – the same choice of plans as members of Congress.

Protecting Patients’ Rights in All Plans

All health plans – whether or not they are grandfathered plans – must provide certain benefits to their customers for plan years starting on or after September 23, 2010 including:

No lifetime limits on coverage for all plans;
No rescissions of coverage when people get sick and have previously made an unintentional mistake on their application;
Extension of parents’ coverage to young adults under 26 years old; and the
For the vast majority of Americans who get their health insurance through employers, additional benefits will be offered, irrespective of whether their plan is grandfathered, including:

No coverage exclusions for children with pre-existing conditions; and
No “restricted” annual limits (e.g., annual dollar-amount limits on coverage below standards to be set in future regulations).

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Obama didn't lie, you can keep your doctor. It is the doctor who is choosing to not accept the insurance.

... and/or his employer's decision.

With my own business, no one has to change doctors.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You lied to me Obama, you just flat out lied.

Because of Obamacare my employer has to put us into a different insurance situation in order to be in compliance with the law and cover everyone, even those WHO DON'T WANT TO BUY IT (yeah 2 of my co workers are pissed off, they don't want health insurance because they are young and dumb enough to think they can't get sick).

So the new insurance is not accepted by my doctor and I can no longer keep my plan, I have to switch.....Obama what did you promise me?

Obama You can keep your doctor - YouTube

LIE

President Obama says If you like your Doctor You can Keep Your Doctor - YouTube

MORE LIES

1. I don't believe you.

a. If true, you can still see your doctor, simply pay for it yourself.

2. My HMO hasn't changed anything.

3. "Obamacare has not been fully implemented (which is why I don't believe you.

 

[uscitizen]

We need simple single payor insurance.

If we all had the same ins doctors would have to accept the insurance.

OMG, thats stupid!

You like monopolies???

Monopolies are everywhere.

The electric company where I live is a monopoly. You can't buy power from any other carrier.

Cox cable internet where I live is a de-facto monopoly, you can't buy internet through the cable from anywhere else.

The water company where I live is a monopoly.

Social Security is a monopoly.

the only way to prevent monopolys is for govt regulations to prevent them or break them up. hmmm.

 

[uscitizen]

So private doctors should be made to accept all insurance?
Or should employers be made to provide ins that all doctors accept?

I have been put in the same position as the Opening post when an employer changed ins policies to reduce costs. Long before the ACA was enacted.